Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Mike Daleck » Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:00:00


Weather's bad, can't golf, so I am re-reading Pelz' short game bible.  I
will confess that the first time I went through the book, I didn't
exactly march through it from beginning to end, choosing different
sections to read as they interested me.  And of course, anyone who reads
that book probably comes away with, as a major idea of Pelz', the idea
of his 4-wedge, 3-swing system.  Which I did.

But I discovered something else in it today that I missed the first
time.  Don't know how, it's not like it's hidden or anything, but I'm
very interested in it.

I've tried playing with the 3-swing system, trying to get my distances
down, and I have never been particularly effective at it.  I've tended
to attribute it to my clubs and the ability to practice more on it than
I have, but now I see something else.

I grip a golf club according to the SLAP model, with my left thumb on
the right side of the shaft.  It's a bit of a strong grip, but one that
is necessary, apparently, to make the SLAP swing work correctly.

I've always used that same grip on my short game as well.  Imagine my
surprise in reading the Pelz book and finding out he promotes a
*neutral* grip for those short shots, not the "power" grip as he refers
to it.

If there's a consistent flaw in my short shots, it's a tendency to pull
the shot a bit. I'm now thinking that my grip is the culprit, and that a
more neutral grip will allow for a better release of the club, a less
handsy swing, and a better ability to control distance than I have.  

Is anyone else using different grips for short game and full swing
game?  How about the finesse grip Pelz advocates?  Are there any other
grips that you've found to work better in the short game, such that you
can control distance better than with another grip?

Mike

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Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Mulliga » Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I went this route for a while.  But it seems that every "fix" in golf, will
also bring on a new "problem."   Over time the weaker grip eroded my
pitching game.  Soon I wasn't "releasing" the club head, I was leaving the
face open and leaving the shot right.  Subconsciously (isn't that where most
of these mistakes happen) releasing the club head became a bad thing to
avoid.  As a result I developed trouble controlling distance and trajectory.
My pitch shots were more like chip shots. This problem was affecting all my
pitch shots, distance wedges, touchy little shots around the greens, as well
as sand shots.

I took a lesson and the instructor caught "it" right away.   Where "it" was
not releasing the club, with right hand crossing over left.
Once I fixed this I had immediate good results.  I can even use my 60 degree
club now, which for me has been the acid test.

Mulligan


Quote:

> > Is anyone else using different grips for short game and full swing
> > game?  How about the finesse grip Pelz advocates?  Are there any other
> > grips that you've found to work better in the short game, such that you
> > can control distance better than with another grip?

> > Mike

> I use an interlock for full swings and a baseball grip for chips
> and pitches.  If I stick with the interlock for the 'touch'
> shots they tend to fly too low and left of target.

> (and as a result they travel too far)

> --
> --dph
> (dhayes AT iname DOT com)


 
 
 

Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Joseph N. Hal » Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Is anyone else using different grips for short game and full swing
> game?  How about the finesse grip Pelz advocates?  Are there any other
> grips that you've found to work better in the short game, such that you
> can control distance better than with another grip?

Yes, I use a weaker grip for shorter shots.  If you practice enough
it becomes so natural that you don't really think about it.  It's
just "the way it works."

  -joseph

 
 
 

Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by David Haye » Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:45:44

Quote:

> Is anyone else using different grips for short game and full swing
> game?  How about the finesse grip Pelz advocates?  Are there any other
> grips that you've found to work better in the short game, such that you
> can control distance better than with another grip?

> Mike

I use an interlock for full swings and a baseball grip for chips
and pitches.  If I stick with the interlock for the 'touch'
shots they tend to fly too low and left of target.

(and as a result they travel too far)

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        (dhayes AT iname DOT com)

 
 
 

Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by dpha.. » Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> I went this route for a while.  But it seems that every "fix" in golf,
will
> also bring on a new "problem."   Over time the weaker grip eroded my
> pitching game.  Soon I wasn't "releasing" the club head, I was leaving
the
> face open and leaving the shot right.  Subconsciously (isn't that
where most
> of these mistakes happen) releasing the club head became a bad thing
to
> avoid.  As a result I developed trouble controlling distance and
trajectory.
> My pitch shots were more like chip shots. This problem was affecting
all my
> pitch shots, distance wedges, touchy little shots around the greens,
as well
> as sand shots.

> I took a lesson and the instructor caught "it" right away.   Where
"it" was
> not releasing the club, with right hand crossing over left.
> Once I fixed this I had immediate good results.  I can even use my 60
degree
> club now, which for me has been the acid test.

> Mulligan

That's a good point.  Failing to release the clubhead is
a frequent problem for me.

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Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Mike Daleck » Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:00:00

What kind of grip do you use now?  Is it the same for both long shots
and short-game shots?

Mike

Quote:

> I went this route for a while.  But it seems that every "fix" in golf, will
> also bring on a new "problem."   Over time the weaker grip eroded my
> pitching game.  Soon I wasn't "releasing" the club head, I was leaving the
> face open and leaving the shot right.  Subconsciously (isn't that where most
> of these mistakes happen) releasing the club head became a bad thing to
> avoid.  As a result I developed trouble controlling distance and trajectory.
> My pitch shots were more like chip shots. This problem was affecting all my
> pitch shots, distance wedges, touchy little shots around the greens, as well
> as sand shots.

> I took a lesson and the instructor caught "it" right away.   Where "it" was
> not releasing the club, with right hand crossing over left.
> Once I fixed this I had immediate good results.  I can even use my 60 degree
> club now, which for me has been the acid test.

> Mulligan




> > > Is anyone else using different grips for short game and full swing
> > > game?  How about the finesse grip Pelz advocates?  Are there any other
> > > grips that you've found to work better in the short game, such that you
> > > can control distance better than with another grip?

> > > Mike

> > I use an interlock for full swings and a baseball grip for chips
> > and pitches.  If I stick with the interlock for the 'touch'
> > shots they tend to fly too low and left of target.

> > (and as a result they travel too far)

> > --
> > --dph
> > (dhayes AT iname DOT com)

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Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Tim F. Ginnet » Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> Weather's bad, can't golf, so I am re-reading Pelz' short game bible.  I

I also use the "finesse" grip for the short shots.  I think it really does
make a difference as I find it is very hard to have "quiet hands" and get a
nice tempo on the 7:30 and 9:00 swings with a strong grip.  I still don't
have much distance consistency though..I am probably plus or minus 5 or 6
yards with each swing/club combo (but that's better than before I started
doing this!!).  That's one reaon I haven't bought into carrying 4 wedges
yet.
 
 
 

Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Aqua.. » Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Is anyone else using different grips for short game and full swing
>game?  How about the finesse grip Pelz advocates?  Are there any other
>grips that you've found to work better in the short game, such that you
>can control distance better than with another grip?

Hi Mike,

After reading the book (just like you, here and there) I decided to
try the finesse grip.  As you know, Pelz suggests things that can be
backed up scientifically, or at least with some sort of factual
rationalization!!  His reasoning for using the neutral grip is because
he claims it allows the body to make micro adjustments not possible
with a strong grip.  

I though this sounded plausible and began using it in real play as
well as on the range.  I do feel it has straightened out my shots 100
yards and in.  I think more than any one thing, it keeps my hands
relaxed which leads to a more fluid swing...especially when combined
with the swing he prescribes (no coiling of the hips)

Give it a try.

Best regards,
AqM

 
 
 

Pelz "finesse" grip as per Short Game Bible

Post by Paul T. Wils » Tue, 10 Oct 2000 04:00:00

A few weeks ago on The Golf Channel, Butch Harmon was doing a finesse game
(around the green) lesson.  It was very clear, exact, and somewhat
technical.  Quite interesting to think about how his manner of explaining
fits with how Tiger thinks about, and executes, his shots.

Butch didn't deal with the grip directly, but did make a point of
explaining that Tiger himself uses a different grip -- a baseball grip --
as does David Hayes, for the game around the green.  He said that Tiger
feels that he needs the baseball grip for the finesse shots because that
way he gets full use of his right hand.

Good enough for Tiger?  OK, it's good enough for me.  Though I've only
been to the range since watching Harmon, the baseball grip so far has made
a *big* difference both in distance and accuracy, even up to 50 yards or
so, and I'm testing it out in the 50-75 yard range.

The baseball grip does make it much more natural to concentrate on the
right hand controlling the feel of the shot.


Quote:

> I use an interlock for full swings and a baseball grip for chips
> and pitches.  If I stick with the interlock for the 'touch'
> shots they tend to fly too low and left of target.

> (and as a result they travel too far)

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