60 Degree Wedge

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Dennis L. Burrow » Wed, 16 Jun 1993 01:25:02


Does anyone have a comment on the 60 degree wedge? I am considering
purchasing one. I usually hit a full PW 125 yds. and a regular SW
90 yds. I need something that is shorter and will still bring the ball in
high. I can't hit a half SW worth a darn and am having trouble getting
short pitches to hold our small hard greens.

Any suggestions?

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60 Degree Wedge

Post by Jack Dav » Wed, 16 Jun 1993 09:29:17

I use a 60 degree wedge and like it for those short pitches to the green.
I have found that you can not hit it easy - you must hit it with a normal
full swing.  This means if you skull it from 45-50 yards out you are way
over the green!  But hit correctly the ball lands lightly and usually
stops very well.

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60 Degree Wedge

Post by Scott Harp » Wed, 16 Jun 1993 12:46:21

Quote:

>I use a 60 degree wedge and like it for those short pitches to the green.
>I have found that you can not hit it easy - you must hit it with a normal
>full swing.  This means if you skull it from 45-50 yards out you are way
>over the green!  But hit correctly the ball lands lightly and usually
>stops very well.

I agree.  I have found my 60 degree wedge quite useful around tight
greens.  Even more so when the shot requires hitting over something
where a pitch and run shot is out of the question.

I also agree that it is very difficult to hit an easy shot with a
60 deg wedge.  Although I have no trouble hitting easy pitching
wedge shots, I find the 60 deg wedge provides an almost guaranteed
misshit (or at least a _very_ short shot) when swinging easy.  Of
course, my 60 degree wedge does not match the rest of my irons...
Things may be simpler with a matched SW.  

--- Scott Harper


 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by GSCHLIE » Wed, 16 Jun 1993 16:33:22

Does anyone have a comment on the 60 degree wedge? I am considering
purchasing one. I usually hit a full PW 125 yds. and a regular SW
90 yds. I need something that is shorter and will still bring the ball in
high. I can't hit a half SW worth a darn and am having trouble getting
short pitches to hold our small hard greens.

                                          I hav a 60 degree wedge. I really like
                                          it. The only thing was it took me a
                                          whil to get used to taking a full
                                          swing from 25-30 yards away. Any of
                                          course, don't miss hit it.

                                          As for hitting hard greens, IMHO,
                                          nothing short of an atomic bomb will
                                          hold a hard green. This past weekend
                                          on the PGA was a good example.  Even
                                          some of the best shots did not hold.

                                          GREG

 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by John L. Mim » Wed, 16 Jun 1993 21:53:06

        "Dennis L. Burrows"  writes:

Quote:
> Does anyone have a comment on the 60 degree wedge? I am considering
> purchasing one. I usually hit a full PW 125 yds. and a regular SW
> 90 yds. I need something that is shorter and will still bring the ball in
> high. I can't hit a half SW worth a darn and am having trouble getting
> short pitches to hold our small hard greens.

> Any suggestions?

> --



IMHO a 60-64 degree wedge will help improve play around the greens.  If you can
learn to hit accurate shots from 50 yards out, great for you!  I use my third
wedge strictly for lob shots to tight pin placements and it saves strokes for
me.

John

 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Gary Bro » Wed, 16 Jun 1993 22:21:31


|> Does anyone have a comment on the 60 degree wedge? I am considering
|> purchasing one. I usually hit a full PW 125 yds. and a regular SW
|> 90 yds. I need something that is shorter and will still bring the ball in
|> high. I can't hit a half SW worth a darn and am having trouble getting
|> short pitches to hold our small hard greens.
|>
|> Any suggestions?
|>

I have taken my 60 degree wedge out of my bag to make room for a 2 iron
(gettin' old, I can't reach those long par 3s with my 3 iron any more). My
experience with the 60 was that it was difficult to hit from the fairway.
You've got to make a full hard swing, which is a bit scary when you're only
50 to 60 yards from the flagstick.

What I really liked about the 60 was my ability to hit a wide variety of lobs,
flops, and pitches. Through practice, I have found that I can hit the same
shots by opening up the blade of my sand wedge.

Two other things that have really helped my game in the half wedge zone are
better course management and learning to hit the knock-down shot. I simply
avoid leaving myself a shot that is between 30 and 80 yards. If I can't get
within chipping distance of the green, I pick a club that will leave me a full
wedge. My handicap has improved from 12 to 7 since I have eliminated that half
wedge shot from my game.

On the rare occasions when I do find myself in the half wedge zone, I will
usually play a knock-down shot to the green. It is incredibly simple to do and
will amaze your golf buddies, too!

For me, I take my normal stance, ***up an inch or so on the grip and make a
smooth 3/4 swing (shoulder high back swing to shoulder high through swing). The
ball will fly low and straight, and sits down quickly on the green. You need to
practice this shot before you try it on the course, but that is the fun part. I
have learned to hit all kinds shots that help me recover from trouble, you can
too. I have found that I lose about 20% of my normal distance with a given club
with this shot, so you need to adjust your club selection accordingly. You'll
also find the knock-down useful on windy days.

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60 Degree Wedge

Post by Michael A. Peton » Thu, 17 Jun 1993 06:02:43

Quote:


>>I use a 60 degree wedge and like it for those short pitches to the green.
>>I have found that you can not hit it easy - you must hit it with a normal
>>full swing.  This means if you skull it from 45-50 yards out you are way
>>over the green!  But hit correctly the ball lands lightly and usually
>>stops very well.

>I agree.  I have found my 60 degree wedge quite useful around tight
>greens.  Even more so when the shot requires hitting over something
>where a pitch and run shot is out of the question.

>I also agree that it is very difficult to hit an easy shot with a
>60 deg wedge.  Although I have no trouble hitting easy pitching
>wedge shots, I find the 60 deg wedge provides an almost guaranteed
>misshit (or at least a _very_ short shot) when swinging easy.  Of
>course, my 60 degree wedge does not match the rest of my irons...
>Things may be simpler with a matched SW.  

It could be the bounce that's present on your 60' wedge.  

When I got mine, I happened to already have a set of Zings (2-sw) and
so was looking for a third wedge.  I looked around at a lot of
60' wedges and some of them had quite a lot of bounce.  When I compared
the Zing lob wedge (60') to the others, it stacked up quite nicely with
an unnoticable bounce -- so I got it.  I've enjoyed it ever since.

I don't use my L wedge to get out of sand, I use my SW for that because
it has more bounce than my L does.

Good luck,
--
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"When you get a woman, your .emacs goes to shit."

 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Bob Holdswor » Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:35:41

I added a 60 degree wedge hoping to improve my game from 50 yards in and
was disappointed.  I was trying to "buy a wedge game" to compensate for
lack of practice.  The result was three wedges I couldn't use instead of
two.  The 4-wood is now back in my bag.  

My original thinking on the 60W was that a full swing should be more
repeatable than a 1/2 or 3/4 swing and consistency on the shorter shots
should improve.  Higher trajectory is also a plus for tight pin
positions.  However without more practice I just was not able to execute
consistent shots with this club (and misses were a disaster).  

My guess is that if you are already proficient with the wedge, then a
60W will probably be a benefit.  If (as in my case) the wedge is not a
strong point, you may be disappointed.

..  Bob

 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Albert Sha » Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:35:04

Most 60 degree wedges that i have seen do have quite a bit of bounce.  One
notable exception is the Cleveland Classics 588 wedge.  Coincidentally, it
is also one of the most used wedges on the PGA Tour.  In this months Golf
Digest, they have the specs for Fred Couples.  He has the CC sand wedge
which has bounce, and then the aforementioned 60 degree with no bounce.
It is my understanding that the sand wedge is used in the sand and in the
rough, while the club with no or little bounce is used on the tight-cut
fairways.  If you use a 60 degree wedge with a lot of bounce from the
fairway, it could account for the above-average number of tops, skulls,
and other shots that make you cry.


 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Michael A. Peton » Sat, 19 Jun 1993 02:15:46


Quote:
>Most 60 degree wedges that i have seen do have quite a bit of bounce.  One
>notable exception is the Cleveland Classics 588 wedge.  Coincidentally, it
>is also one of the most used wedges on the PGA Tour.  In this months Golf
>Digest, they have the specs for Fred Couples.  He has the CC sand wedge
>which has bounce, and then the aforementioned 60 degree with no bounce.
>It is my understanding that the sand wedge is used in the sand and in the
>rough, while the club with no or little bounce is used on the tight-cut
>fairways.  If you use a 60 degree wedge with a lot of bounce from the
>fairway, it could account for the above-average number of tops, skulls,
>and other shots that make you cry.

I agree.  I'd previously posted that the Ping Zing lob wedge (60deg)
has no discernible bounce.  And I use them as you say:  sand wedge for
sand a L wedge for fairways.
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"When you get a woman, your .emacs goes to shit."
 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Dennis L. Burrow » Sat, 19 Jun 1993 19:22:07

  The discussion regarding a 60 degree wedge has gone:
Quote:



> >Most 60 degree wedges that i have seen do have quite a bit of bounce.  One
> >notable exception is the Cleveland Classics 588 wedge.  Coincidentally, it
> >is also one of the most used wedges on the PGA Tour.  In this months Golf
> >Digest, they have the specs for Fred Couples.  He has the CC sand wedge
> >which has bounce, and then the aforementioned 60 degree with no bounce.
> >It is my understanding that the sand wedge is used in the sand and in the
> >rough, while the club with no or little bounce is used on the tight-cut
> >fairways.  If you use a 60 degree wedge with a lot of bounce from the
> >fairway, it could account for the above-average number of tops, skulls,
> >and other shots that make you cry.

> I agree.  I'd previously posted that the Ping Zing lob wedge (60deg)
> has no discernible bounce.  And I use them as you say:  sand wedge for
> sand a L wedge for fairways.
> --
> Michael A. Petonic -- Director of Dangerous Activities
> "When you get a woman, your .emacs goes to shit."

  Aren't all 60 degree wedges all made without bounce because they
  are not designed for the sand. Am I correct? I am the one who started
  this thread and am getting close to purchasing a 60 degree wedge. What
  should I look for? Thanks.

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60 Degree Wedge

Post by Albert Sha » Sun, 20 Jun 1993 02:00:20

You would think that all 60 degree wedges would have no bounce, but that
isn't the case.  There was an article in  GD with Azinger on the cover a
couple years ago.  In it, they showed at least ten pro-line companies
(Ping, Armour, taylor-made,etc.) showing their wedges and their bounce
degrees.  Several actually had more bounce than their sand wedges!  A
couple others  had 5-8 degrees of bounce, which is not to bad.  Only one
(Cleveland Classics) had zero bounce.  Component clubheads are also in the
same boat.  In the 1991 Golfsmith Components catalog, they had several
sand wedges with the bounces recorded.  All of them had at least 5 degrees
of bounce.  This does not make sense because all they are doing is making
a sand wedge with four or five degrees more loft.
Quote:

>   The discussion regarding a 60 degree wedge has gone:



> > >Most 60 degree wedges that i have seen do have quite a bit of bounce.  One
> > >notable exception is the Cleveland Classics 588 wedge.  Coincidentally, it
> > >is also one of the most used wedges on the PGA Tour.  In this months Golf
> > >Digest, they have the specs for Fred Couples.  He has the CC sand wedge
> > >which has bounce, and then the aforementioned 60 degree with no bounce.
> > >It is my understanding that the sand wedge is used in the sand and in the
> > >rough, while the club with no or little bounce is used on the tight-cut
> > >fairways.  If you use a 60 degree wedge with a lot of bounce from the
> > >fairway, it could account for the above-average number of tops, skulls,
> > >and other shots that make you cry.

> > I agree.  I'd previously posted that the Ping Zing lob wedge (60deg)
> > has no discernible bounce.  And I use them as you say:  sand wedge for
> > sand a L wedge for fairways.
> > --
> > Michael A. Petonic -- Director of Dangerous Activities
> > "When you get a woman, your .emacs goes to shit."

>   Aren't all 60 degree wedges all made without bounce because they
>   are not designed for the sand. Am I correct? I am the one who started
>   this thread and am getting close to purchasing a 60 degree wedge. What
>   should I look for? Thanks.

> --




 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Dave Tutelm » Mon, 21 Jun 1993 08:25:19


Quote:

>  Aren't all 60 degree wedges all made without bounce because they
>  are not designed for the sand. Am I correct? I am the one who started
>  this thread and am getting close to purchasing a 60 degree wedge. What
>  should I look for? Thanks.

According to the Golfsmith catalog, their lob wedges (60 degrees and up) have
significant bounces; 8 to 13 degrees.  In about half their models, the lob
wedge has more bounce than the sand wedge.  (Ugh!)

The GolfWorks, Hireko, and ProSwing catalogs don't list the bounce on most
of their wedges.

BTW, I've learned to leave my 60 degree wedge at home.  I get good shots from
my 2 iron and 5 wood, and my lob wedge shots were always an adventure.  Both
my long and short games are better without it.

Dave

 
 
 

60 Degree Wedge

Post by Craig Bish » Tue, 22 Jun 1993 22:47:03


Quote:
>  Aren't all 60 degree wedges all made without bounce because they
>  are not designed for the sand. Am I correct? I am the one who started
>  this thread and am getting close to purchasing a 60 degree wedge. What
>  should I look for? Thanks.

If you don't use your 60 degree wedge in the sand you are
wasting a good club.

The 60 without much bounce can be layed well open to give it
some bounce and can be used on shots where the ball has to get
up quickly and spin and stop. Usually when the bunker shot is a
short one.

The low bounce 60 is great in the bunker when the sand is wet
and the sand wedge with a lot of bounce won't cut into the
sand. The 60 will do that.

I also use the 60 on long bunker shots. I want to fly the ball
to the pin and I want the ball to stop immediately. Take your no
bounce 60, don't open the blade up very much, then take a thin
layer of sand, the ball flies high and stops on a dime.

I played today had 6 bunker shots, (winter here now so the
bunkers were wet) 5 times I used the 60 out of the bunker. I got
up and down 4 out the 6 times.

I love my 60, a McGregor VIP.
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60 Degree Wedge

Post by James F. Tim » Wed, 23 Jun 1993 00:32:25

Quote:
>DATE:   19 Jun 93 23:25:19 GMT

>BTW, I've learned to leave my 60 degree wedge at home.  I get good shots from
>my 2 iron and 5 wood, and my lob wedge shots were always an adventure.  Both
>my long and short games are better without it.

>Dave

I've given up on my TPS W-Wedge, too.  I decided to start carrying
two drivers, an 8.5 and a 9.5 Taylor Made -- 8.5 into the wind,  9.5
downwind.  

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