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We need to retaliate against Visa/Mastercard!

Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:00:22


Quote:







>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> duh?

>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>company's information and expose it.

Oh so now it is illegal to expose company information that you had
no idea as to it being allowed or not being allowed? If you are NOT
told it is not allowed how is it not allowed? By osmosis?
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:07:31


Quote:



>>>> On Dec 17, 12:34 am, Inglourious Basterd









>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>>>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>>>>> this extradiction is *nothing* to do with Wikileaks, it's about him
>>>>>>> ***ly ***ing 2 women. Problem is the chief Swedish prosecutor
>>>>>>> dropped the case in September, BUT it was re-opened 2 weeks ago, after
>>>>>>> pressure from a Swedish politician following Wikileaks' release ie.
>>>>>>> it's really corrupt political oppression.

>>>>>> yeas. and now it is the british who are KEEPING him in jail after he was ordered released on bail.

>>>>>> the swedes say they had nothing to do with that.

>>>>>> the long ***ing arm of the CIA again ?

>>>>>> history shows the world is better off without those freedom ***ing***aroaches!

>>>>> Certainly the CIA or some other arm of the US government is behind
>>>>> this. No coincidence that Assange happens to be accused again by
>>>>> Sweden, which happens to have an extradition treaty with the US,
>>>>> shortly after the US documents were leaked.-

>>>> Just take a look at him. He lokks like a nancyboy. He could not***
>>>> anyone, especially TWO women.
>>>> Something is very funny about this case. I do not trust him or those
>>>> who are after him. I do not trust anyone.

>>> What if they discover he is impotent or even a Eunuch or God forbid a raving ***!

>> You mean he is a gay?

> He looks gay to me.

There seem to be at least 2 gays in Australia then ... ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:08:26

Quote:







>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> duh?

>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>company's information and expose it.

Oh so the laws protecting whistle blowers are nonsense then? I see I see.

 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:09:11


Quote:










>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a
>>>>> court has
>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>>>> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>>>> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>>>> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>>>> (regardless of what information it is)!

>>> ILLIGALLY, yes!

>> And what is your opinion if it was meant "ILLEGALLY"?

> WikiLeaks is set up to provide the "leaker" of documents complete anonymity. Assange denied that he encouraged Manning
> to send the documents and likened his role to that of a reporter who discovers information.

> "Security officers have a job to keep things secret, the press has the job to expose the public to the truth. So that is
> our job. We're doing it. The fact that state department was not able to do their job is a matter for them," he said.

Well, if the "things" were stolen, then they are not allowed to be
passed on ...
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:10:42


Quote:







>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>> You cannot just steal goods, you can also steal information. And
>> stealing is illegal.

> Wilileaks "stole" nothing.

Nobody says Wikileaks stole something ... They just deal in stolen goods.
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:12:35


Quote:







>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>> duh?

>>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>> You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>> company's information and expose it.

> Oh so now it is illegal to expose company information that you had
> no idea as to it being allowed or not being allowed? If you are NOT
> told it is not allowed how is it not allowed? By osmosis?

You think the information is allowed to be exposed while they are
classified? Time to go to bed, Dave.
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:13:14


Quote:







>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>> duh?

>>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>> You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>> company's information and expose it.

> Oh so the laws protecting whistle blowers are nonsense then? I see I see.

Which laws protect whistle blowers?
 
 
 

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Post by Fan » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:52:21


Quote:

> >On Dec 17, 12:34 am, Inglourious Basterd









> >> > >> >>>>> Fry Assange!

> >> > >> >>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
> >> > >> >>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

> >> > >> >>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

> >> > >> >> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

> >> > >> > If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
> >> > >> > that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

> >> > >> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
> >> > >> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

> >> > >this extradiction is *nothing* to do with Wikileaks, it's about him
> >> > >***ly ***ing 2 women. Problem is the chief Swedish prosecutor
> >> > >dropped the case in September, BUT it was re-opened 2 weeks ago, after
> >> > >pressure from a Swedish politician following Wikileaks' release ie.
> >> > >it's really corrupt political oppression.

> >> > yeas. and now it is the british who are KEEPING him in jail after he was ordered released on bail.

> >> > the swedes say they had nothing to do with that.

> >> > the long ***ing arm of the CIA again ?

> >> > history shows the world is better off without those freedom ***ing***aroaches!

> >> Certainly the CIA or some other arm of the US government is behind
> >> this. No coincidence that Assange happens to be accused again by
> >> Sweden, which happens to have an extradition treaty with the US,
> >> shortly after the US documents were leaked.-

> >Just take a look at him. He lokks like a nancyboy. He could not***
> >anyone, especially TWO women.
> >Something is very funny about this case. I do not trust him or those
> >who are after him. I do not trust anyone.

> What if they discover he is impotent or even a Eunuch or God forbid a raving ***!-

I think you could be right but they do not intend to try him on any of
the sex charges. Once they get him to Sweden, they send him to the USA
where they can try him on other charges. A little torture and nancyboy
will confess to anything.
 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:36:49

Quote:












>>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a
>>>>>> court has
>>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>>> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>>>>> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>>>>> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>>>>> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>>>>> (regardless of what information it is)!

>>>> ILLIGALLY, yes!

>>> And what is your opinion if it was meant "ILLEGALLY"?

>> WikiLeaks is set up to provide the "leaker" of documents complete anonymity. Assange denied that he encouraged Manning
>> to send the documents and likened his role to that of a reporter who discovers information.

>> "Security officers have a job to keep things secret, the press has the job to expose the public to the truth. So that is
>> our job. We're doing it. The fact that state department was not able to do their job is a matter for them," he said.

>Well, if the "things" were stolen, then they are not allowed to be
>passed on ...

Nothing was stolen we settled that already. Call the defense department and ask them if anything is missing?

The answer is NO.

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:52:14

Quote:









>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>> You cannot just steal goods, you can also steal information. And
>>> stealing is illegal.

>> Wilileaks "stole" nothing.

>Nobody says Wikileaks stole something ... They just deal in stolen goods.

No. They deal in the dissemination of Public information much like the NYT did with
the Pentagon Papers. That was ruled to not be illegal. So is this not illegal although
they will make up something to try and say it is illegal and perhaps even pass new
laws and try and enforce them retrospectively but that is a mighty slippery slope
that is more than halfway to destroying all democracy. If that happens every
country in the world will be passing laws and demanding the USA extradite all their
dissidents who we have been protecting for decades. What will happen then?
Selective application when the USA wants somebody by none when somebody else
wants somebody?

Don't be an ***.

The only way they are going to get rid of Assange is by assassination. Now that is
a real possibility.

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:54:38

Quote:









>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>> duh?

>>>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>>>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>>> You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>>> company's information and expose it.

>> Oh so now it is illegal to expose company information that you had
>> no idea as to it being allowed or not being allowed? If you are NOT
>> told it is not allowed how is it not allowed? By osmosis?

>You think the information is allowed to be exposed while they are
>classified? Time to go to bed, Dave.

who says it is classified? how do you really now it is legit? anyway even classified information is public property. it
is the responsibility of whoever classifies it to keep it private. if they can't, too ***ing bad cause that is NOT a
crime.
 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:58:04

Quote:









>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>> duh?

>>>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>>>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>>> You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>>> company's information and expose it.

>> Oh so the laws protecting whistle blowers are nonsense then? I see I see.

>Which laws protect whistle blowers?

Many many. You can start learning here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower

and here:

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/cs/labor_laws/a/whistle_blower_2.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Mon, 20 Dec 2010 01:18:39


Quote:












>>>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a
>>>>>>> court has
>>>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>>>> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>>>>>> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>>>>>> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>>>>>> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>>>>>> (regardless of what information it is)!

>>>>> ILLIGALLY, yes!

>>>> And what is your opinion if it was meant "ILLEGALLY"?

>>> WikiLeaks is set up to provide the "leaker" of documents complete anonymity. Assange denied that he encouraged Manning
>>> to send the documents and likened his role to that of a reporter who discovers information.

>>> "Security officers have a job to keep things secret, the press has the job to expose the public to the truth. So that is
>>> our job. We're doing it. The fact that state department was not able to do their job is a matter for them," he said.

>> Well, if the "things" were stolen, then they are not allowed to be
>> passed on ...

> Nothing was stolen we settled that already. Call the defense department and ask them if anything is missing?

> The answer is NO.

LOL.

Go ahead living in your own world, Dave. I am not interested in this
political crap.

--
Say, how dumb are you, Whisper? Probably you are so dumb that you can't
realize that you are dumb.

 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Mon, 20 Dec 2010 01:24:54


Quote:









>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>> You cannot just steal goods, you can also steal information. And
>>>> stealing is illegal.

>>> Wilileaks "stole" nothing.

>> Nobody says Wikileaks stole something ... They just deal in stolen goods.

> No. They deal in the dissemination of Public information much like the NYT did with
> the Pentagon Papers. That was ruled to not be illegal. So is this not illegal although
> they will make up something to try and say it is illegal and perhaps even pass new
> laws and try and enforce them retrospectively but that is a mighty slippery slope
> that is more than halfway to destroying all democracy. If that happens every
> country in the world will be passing laws and demanding the USA extradite all their
> dissidents who we have been protecting for decades. What will happen then?
> Selective application when the USA wants somebody by none when somebody else
> wants somebody?

> Don't be an ***.

> The only way they are going to get rid of Assange is by assassination. Now that is
> a real possibility.

You must know what you do ... Good luck. I am not interested in this
***anymore. It was fun for me to see how the argumentation goes ... :-)

--
Say, how dumb are you, Whisper? Probably you are so dumb that you can't
realize that you are dumb.

 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Mon, 20 Dec 2010 01:28:48


Quote:









>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>> duh?

>>>>> it depends if I signed a NDA.

>>>>> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

>>>> You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
>>>> company's information and expose it.

>>> Oh so now it is illegal to expose company information that you had
>>> no idea as to it being allowed or not being allowed? If you are NOT
>>> told it is not allowed how is it not allowed? By osmosis?

>> You think the information is allowed to be exposed while they are
>> classified? Time to go to bed, Dave.

> who says it is classified? how do you really now it is legit? anyway even classified information is public property. it
> is the responsibility of whoever classifies it to keep it private. if they can't, too ***ing bad cause that is NOT a
> crime.

LOL, so it's your responsibility to keep your wife private and hold her
back from being ***ed by everyone, and if you can't, "too ***ing bad
'cause that is NOT a crime"? LOLOLOL. Maybe I should continue
"discussing" with you. That's hilarious!