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We need to retaliate against Visa/Mastercard!

Post by Ali Asoa » Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:19:16



Quote:





>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
(regardless of what information it is)!
 
 
 

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Post by TT » Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:49:52


Quote:

> That means that you can go to - say - Walmart and take with you what you
> want (without paying, of course) to because you never signed anything
> saying that you would pay when you take something?

> Hey, it's simply this: You cannot just steal whatsoever and say that you
> are allowed to do that because that thing you stole is "evil".

Profound and deep.

Sounds like something coming from the same author who wrote "you're so
dumb that you don't know how dumb you are"

--
"I am no more a witch than you are a wizard, and if you take away my
life God will give you *** to drink"
-Sarah Good, 1692

 
 
 

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Post by TT » Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:50:34


Quote:







>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a
>> court has
>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
> (regardless of what information it is)!

ILLIGALLY, yes!

--
"I am no more a witch than you are a wizard, and if you take away my
life God will give you *** to drink"
-Sarah Good, 1692

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:22:59

Quote:







>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>> Nothing was stolen. The State Dept will confirm that none of their cables are
>>>> missing.

>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> It depends whether my employer required me to sign a NDA which most do.

>> To my knowledge though Julian Assange did not sign one with the defense department.

>> Do you know differently?

>That means that you can go to - say - Walmart and take with you what you
>want (without paying, of course) to because you never signed anything
>saying that you would pay when you take something?

>Hey, it's simply this: You cannot just steal whatsoever and say that you
>are allowed to do that because that thing you stole is "evil".

No that is NOT what it means. Taking "physical property" without permission is THEFT!

Publishing government "information" which belongs to the public is not.

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:24:56

Quote:

>On Dec 17, 12:34?am, Inglourious Basterd









>> > >> >>>>> Fry Assange!

>> > >> >>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>> > >> >>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>> > >> >>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>> > >> >> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>> > >> > If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>> > >> > that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> > >> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>> > >> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>> > >this extradiction is *nothing* to do with Wikileaks, it's about him
>> > >***ly ***ing 2 women. Problem is the chief Swedish prosecutor
>> > >dropped the case in September, BUT it was re-opened 2 weeks ago, after
>> > >pressure from a Swedish politician following Wikileaks' release ie.
>> > >it's really corrupt political oppression.

>> > yeas. and now it is the british who are KEEPING him in jail after he was ordered released on bail.

>> > the swedes say they had nothing to do with that.

>> > the long ***ing arm of the CIA again ?

>> > history shows the world is better off without those freedom ***ing***aroaches!

>> Certainly the CIA or some other arm of the US government is behind
>> this. No coincidence that Assange happens to be accused again by
>> Sweden, which happens to have an extradition treaty with the US,
>> shortly after the US documents were leaked.-

>Just take a look at him. He lokks like a nancyboy. He could not***
>anyone, especially TWO women.
>Something is very funny about this case. I do not trust him or those
>who are after him. I do not trust anyone.

What if they discover he is impotent or even a Eunuch or God forbid a raving ***!
 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:26:12

Quote:







>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>(regardless of what information it is)!

No it was NOT obtained illegally.

the government=the public and the public has a right to that information.

 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:44:11


Quote:

>> That means that you can go to - say - Walmart and take with you what you
>> want (without paying, of course) to because you never signed anything
>> saying that you would pay when you take something?

>> Hey, it's simply this: You cannot just steal whatsoever and say that you
>> are allowed to do that because that thing you stole is "evil".

> Profound and deep.

> Sounds like something coming from the same author who wrote "you're so
> dumb that you don't know how dumb you are"

Have you become a fan of mine?
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:49:32


Quote:








>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a
>>> court has
>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>> (regardless of what information it is)!

> ILLIGALLY, yes!

And what is your opinion if it was meant "ILLEGALLY"?
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:49:50


Quote:







>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>> (regardless of what information it is)!

> No it was NOT obtained illegally.

> the government=the public and the public has a right to that information.

LOLOLOL.
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:51:17


Quote:





>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

You cannot just steal goods, you can also steal information. And
stealing is illegal.
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:52:14


Quote:

>> On Dec 17, 12:34 am, Inglourious Basterd









>>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>>> this extradiction is *nothing* to do with Wikileaks, it's about him
>>>>> ***ly ***ing 2 women. Problem is the chief Swedish prosecutor
>>>>> dropped the case in September, BUT it was re-opened 2 weeks ago, after
>>>>> pressure from a Swedish politician following Wikileaks' release ie.
>>>>> it's really corrupt political oppression.

>>>> yeas. and now it is the british who are KEEPING him in jail after he was ordered released on bail.

>>>> the swedes say they had nothing to do with that.

>>>> the long ***ing arm of the CIA again ?

>>>> history shows the world is better off without those freedom ***ing***aroaches!

>>> Certainly the CIA or some other arm of the US government is behind
>>> this. No coincidence that Assange happens to be accused again by
>>> Sweden, which happens to have an extradition treaty with the US,
>>> shortly after the US documents were leaked.-

>> Just take a look at him. He lokks like a nancyboy. He could not***
>> anyone, especially TWO women.
>> Something is very funny about this case. I do not trust him or those
>> who are after him. I do not trust anyone.

> What if they discover he is impotent or even a Eunuch or God forbid a raving ***!

You mean he is a gay?
 
 
 

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Post by Ali Asoa » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:53:59


Quote:





>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is dedicated to.
>>>>> Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

> duh?

> it depends if I signed a NDA.

> if not and they fired me i would sue their ass to high heaven.

You don't need to have signed an NDA to not be allowed to take a
company's information and expose it.
 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:54:34

Quote:










>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a
>>>> court has
>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>> Employer was just an example. The point is, the information he posted on
>>> the internet was stolen (not by him, but that doesn't matter) from the
>>> government. Or are you saying the government offered them (most is even
>>> classified) to the people? The information was obtained ILLIGALLY
>>> (regardless of what information it is)!

>> ILLIGALLY, yes!

>And what is your opinion if it was meant "ILLEGALLY"?

WikiLeaks is set up to provide the "leaker" of documents complete anonymity. Assange denied that he encouraged Manning
to send the documents and likened his role to that of a reporter who discovers information.

"Security officers have a job to keep things secret, the press has the job to expose the public to the truth. So that is
our job. We're doing it. The fact that state department was not able to do their job is a matter for them," he said.

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:57:07

Quote:







>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>You cannot just steal goods, you can also steal information. And
>stealing is illegal.

Wilileaks "stole" nothing.

WikiLeaks is set up to provide the "leaker" of documents complete anonymity. Assange denied that he encouraged Manning
to send the documents and likened his role to that of a reporter who discovers information.

"Security officers have a job to keep things secret, the press has the job to expose the public to the truth. So that is
our job. We're doing it. The fact that state department was not able to do their job is a matter for them," he said.

It is NOT a crime to acquire and publish Public owned (government) information and make it Public because it freaking
belongs to the Public in the first place!

 
 
 

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Post by Superdav » Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:57:53

Quote:



>>> On Dec 17, 12:34 am, Inglourious Basterd









>>>>>>>>>>>> Fry Assange!

>>>>>>>>>>> People speaking honestly and openly. This is what Assange is
>>>>>>>>>>> dedicated to. Julian Assange would approve of this post.

>>>>>>>>>> I thought he is dealing in stolen goods which is illegal?

>>>>>>>>> No. Information is not "goods". The Daniel Ellsberg trial said so.

>>>>>>>> If you steals information from your employer like that and they know
>>>>>>>> that, would they fire you or can you say information is not goods?

>>>>>>> Assange works for no one so his employment is not the issue. If a court has
>>>>>>> found that information is not goods then that's about it really.

>>>>>> this extradiction is *nothing* to do with Wikileaks, it's about him
>>>>>> ***ly ***ing 2 women. Problem is the chief Swedish prosecutor
>>>>>> dropped the case in September, BUT it was re-opened 2 weeks ago, after
>>>>>> pressure from a Swedish politician following Wikileaks' release ie.
>>>>>> it's really corrupt political oppression.

>>>>> yeas. and now it is the british who are KEEPING him in jail after he was ordered released on bail.

>>>>> the swedes say they had nothing to do with that.

>>>>> the long ***ing arm of the CIA again ?

>>>>> history shows the world is better off without those freedom ***ing***aroaches!

>>>> Certainly the CIA or some other arm of the US government is behind
>>>> this. No coincidence that Assange happens to be accused again by
>>>> Sweden, which happens to have an extradition treaty with the US,
>>>> shortly after the US documents were leaked.-

>>> Just take a look at him. He lokks like a nancyboy. He could not***
>>> anyone, especially TWO women.
>>> Something is very funny about this case. I do not trust him or those
>>> who are after him. I do not trust anyone.

>> What if they discover he is impotent or even a Eunuch or God forbid a raving ***!

>You mean he is a gay?

He looks gay to me.