Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by wkhed » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:20:37


Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
clay.

If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
little improvments.

With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
Wimb or
he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
his game or style.

 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by Roger Tha » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:53:53

Quote:

> If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

He should hire Tony Nadal... or Larry Passos

 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by Scot » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:02:36

it is pretty easy for fans like us to tell Fed how to beat Nadal.  i
think you're right about Fed not listening enough to Roche, though.


Quote:

> Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> Wimb or
> he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

>  but still a good coach can find a
> way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> his game or style.


 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by tobi » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:03:22


Quote:

> Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
> other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

> I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
> clay.

> If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
> little improvments.

> With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
> the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

> Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> Wimb or
> he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

> For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> his game or style.

It takes a monumental effort for the rest of the tour to beat Fed on any
surface but it takes an even greater effort from him to beat Nadal on
clay it seems. Of course this is his 1st clay tournament this season,
let's see things go after he's better acclimated himself to the surface.
He's got plenty o' time before the big FO.
 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by wkhed » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:25:53


Quote:


> > Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
> > other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

> > I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
> > clay.

> > If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> > nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> > If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
> > little improvments.

> > With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
> > the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

> > Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> > extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> > of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> > Wimb or
> > he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

> > For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> > way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> > his game or style.

> It takes a monumental effort for the rest of the tour to beat Fed on any
> surface but it takes an even greater effort from him to beat Nadal on
> clay it seems. Of course this is his 1st clay tournament this season,
> let's see things go after he's better acclimated himself to the surface.
> He's got plenty o' time before the big FO.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

I like to see him winning, but I don't see anything new, it's the same
formula!!
Nadal is comfortable on clay, Federer is not comfortable, Nadal is
dictating play and Federer is slow on the surface and ends up
generating a lot of errors.

People think that Federer enjoys hitting UE on clay against Nadal or
he is playing bad!!

The reality is they are all forced errors, Nadal's speed on clay
exposed Federer' slowness on clay, Federer is chasing the ball and
Nadal is waiting for it in the right spot for Federer's return to
finish the point.
This is when Federer is forced to make errors.

It's all about movement and footwork on clay. Also it's about how they
learnt to hit the ball.

Federer swings the heavy racquet uses great timing to hit the ball,
Nadal does not hit the ball, he uses the big racquet face to brush the
hill out of the ball, gives him more margin for error, good clearance
on the net and more action on the ball.

Of course Nadal needs more time to do that, and he gets it on clay.

 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by tobi » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:37:42



Quote:

> > If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> > nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> He should hire Tony Nadal... or Larry Passos

Fed has the skill set but when it's Nadal on the other side of the net,
it's his mindset that's lacking, doesn't think as clearly or simply less  
confident... on clay anyways.
 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by Whispe » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:25:34

Quote:

> Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
> other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

> I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
> clay.

> If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
> little improvments.

> With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
> the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

> Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> Wimb or
> he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

> For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> his game or style.

Only way is to hit bigger, more consistently, & come to net behind huge
shots + put volley away.  That's not Fed's game.
 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by wkhed » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:36:31


Quote:

> > Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
> > other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

> > I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
> > clay.

> > If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> > nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> > If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
> > little improvments.

> > With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
> > the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

> > Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> > extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> > of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> > Wimb or
> > he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

> > For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> > way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> > his game or style.

> Only way is to hit bigger, more consistently, & come to net behind huge
> shots + put volley away.  That's not Fed's game.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Huge shots come back, volleys work sometimes but you get passed many
times.
Do you see the power that Nadal generates on the defense 10-12 feet
behind the baseline to pass Federer with a flick of wrist on the
backhand side?!
 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by Whispe » Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:39:02

Quote:


>> Only way is to hit bigger, more consistently, & come to net behind huge
>> shots + put volley away.  That's not Fed's game.- Hide quoted text -

>> - Show quoted text -

> Huge shots come back,

How do we know?  We don't see any huge shots....?

Quote:
> volleys work sometimes but you get passed many
> times.

If you volley like Roddick yes....

Quote:
> Do you see the power that Nadal generates on the defense 10-12 feet
> behind the baseline to pass Federer with a flick of wrist on the
> backhand side?!

Yes thanks.
 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by wen.. » Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:06:16


Quote:

> For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> his game or style.

Well, I don't see anyone *else* beating Nadal on clay either.

wg

 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by arnab. » Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:09:14


Quote:

> > Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
> > other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

> > I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
> > clay.

> > If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> > nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> > If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
> > little improvments.

> > With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
> > the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

> > Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> > extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> > of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> > Wimb or
> > he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

> > For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> > way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> > his game or style.

> Only way is to hit bigger, more consistently, & come to net behind huge
> shots + put volley away.  That's not Fed's game.

That's nobody's game. This is clay. Huge shots come back over and over
again, especially if you are playing a clay specialist, more so if it
is Nadal, the ultimate clay specialist.
 
 
 

Nadal denied Federer two FO, two MC and one Rome and Federer denied Nadal one Wimb!!

Post by wkhed » Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:50:20


Quote:


> > > Federer competing against Nadal on clay made him better player on
> > > other surfaces but did him nothing on clay!!

> > > I did not see any tactics so far that Federer used to beat Nadal on
> > > clay.

> > > If Federer hired Roche to win the FO, then it's a bad hire, since
> > > nothing changed in Federer tactics to annoy Nadal.

> > > If he hired him just to improve his volley, then I'd say there is
> > > little improvments.

> > > With all the shot making that Federer has, he did nothing different
> > > the last two years to compete against Nadal on clay!

> > > Either Federer does not care too much about winning on clay to the
> > > extent that makes him change something in his game, racquet or style
> > > of play that may affect his chances on non-clay tournaments specially
> > > Wimb or
> > > he is not willing to listen to his coach!!

> > > For sure Nadal is a monster on clay, but still a good coach can find a
> > > way to get Federer to annoy him and expose some hidden weaknesses in
> > > his game or style.

> > Only way is to hit bigger, more consistently, & come to net behind huge
> > shots + put volley away.  That's not Fed's game.

> That's nobody's game. This is clay. Huge shots come back over and over
> again, especially if you are playing a clay specialist, more so if it
> is Nadal, the ultimate clay specialist.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Are you sure? Sampras used his powerful ground strokes, serve and
volley to win the FO many times? :-)