> >> > dumb post max..graf was always fan favorite in USA, higher than anyone
> >> > but
> >> > evert, who was in process of retirement..
> > Maybe Graf was "fan" favourite. My point is the U.S. media. Watch an
> > internet video clip recently about a "Graf tribute" on ESPN or so. The
> > commentator said "Graf was not a loved champion" trying to establish a
> > contrast between her and U.S. greats.
> who was the commentator? and pay no attention to those silly "tribute"
> shows, they're all full of crap..i've watched many and none of them were
> even close to the reality of the day..
I have watched many in Germany, some in the U.K.; a friend of mine
often has watched tennis (and "tributes") in France (she lived there
for many years).
The quote from this ESPN show and a man like Deford calling Graf "the
most overrated tennis player ever" could only come from the U.S. It
would be unthinkable in Europe and, IMO, in Asia.
> > ALL polls EVEN back in the 80ies
> > and early 90ies showed that Steffi was fan favourite all over the world
> > (only Sabatini - who isn't from the U.S. either - was more popular at
> > some places).
> sabatini was popular..but she wasn't around that long..graf was popular
> everywhere in USA..i NEVER heard her booed, never watched a match where she
> wasn't clear crowd favorite..
But nevertheless some U.S. media repeat again and again that Graf
allegedly was not loved by tennis fans for most of her career.
> > Steffi's problem was that she was no media *** as many U.S. champions
> > were/are. She didn't dance to the media's tunes all day long as
> > especially U.S. expect - even demand! - from sports stars. And the
> > media (esp. U.S. media) took revenge by dissing her.
> i read USA news, i never read anti-graf bias..never..and if i had, i
> would've remembered as it would've annoyed me..
It is a recurring theme in many U.S. articles etc. that Graf "was not
liked very much by tennis fans until the mid-90ies".
> >> what's baffling is why max continues to insist otherwise. every other
> >> max denial of reality has an obvious pro-graf agenda behind it, but i
> >> don't get this one. i don't get what hinges on him insisting that the
> >> USA was or is anti-graf ... ?
> > Not "the USA" but "US media".
> > The reason is very clear for me: Revenge for Graf's media shyness -
> > plus IMG influence. Many U.S. TV commentators or news reporters liked
> > to hop into bed with IMG high rollers. Add to that commentators like
> > Shriver and King who were Evertilova's best friends and the damage is
> > done..
> fine, if you feel that graf wasn't fairly treated in the media, go ahead and
> believe it..but i never got that feeling..of course if you expected her to
> be in USA the same national hero she was in germany, then you're on another
I compare U.S. media with media all around the world. It is almost
ALWAYS U.S. media who tell people that allegedly "Graf was not a
popular champion" for most of her career. It is a fact and you can't
And it doesn't trouble me very much because the reason is plain to see
- promoting U.S. players. The "Seles was on her way to be the best
ever" myth is mainly a U.S. phenomenon. Why? Seles, a U.S. player is
elevated, but even more important is that Evertilova get a shot at the
GOAT title because after all "Graf profited bigtime by The Stabbing".
The same with fans - most of the Graf haters in internet forums are
from the U.S. - a fact.
Funny that you try to deny all this .....
"Personally, i'd rather have MN's two extra Wimbledons than Graf's 4
extra FOs, 1 extra USO and 1 extra AO."
(Steve Jaros supporting the idea that Graf's Wimbledon wins in 91/92
more than equal Seles 3 slam wins in each of those years, r.s.t.,
February 21, 2006)