Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by KNIFE » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:22:44


It seems strange that Graf should return to form and resume winning slams
she thought were lost forever as soon as Seles was KNIFED out of the way.
It was over 3 years since Graf had had a sniff of a AO, FO or USO - but
then in 1993 after Gunther's favour she starts winning them again. Weird!
 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by Calimer » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:00:29

Quote:

> It seems strange that Graf should return to form and resume winning slams
> she thought were lost forever as soon as Seles was KNIFED out of the way.
> It was over 3 years since Graf had had a sniff of a AO, FO or USO - but
> then in 1993 after Gunther's favour she starts winning them again. Weird!

Not at all.
The blackmail scandal ended in spring 1992 and Steffi's rise to top
began.
She made the FO finals again for the first time in 3 years, losing only
8-10 in 3rd to Seles.
She played her best Wimbledon since 1989 and destroyed Seles in the
final.
She made the AO finals again for the first time in 3 years, losing in a
tough 3-setter to Seles.
She narrowed the gap in the WTA rankings from 58 pts. (winter 1992) to
only 21 pts. in April 1993.
She was 80-7 win/loss in 52 weeks before The Seles Stabbing, Seles only
58-5.

Everything was set for Graf to overtake Seles and to regain her
rightful place as #1 player.
Sadly Seles was stabbed on April 30th, 1993.

But Graf continued her rise.
She was 81-2 win/loss in 52 weeks after The Stabbing (Seles never ever
was as good).
She made the USO final for the first time again in 3 years (Seles never
ever beat Graf on fast HC).
She made the YEC final again for the first time in 4 years (Seles never
ever beat Graf indoors).
She destroyed Sanchez in the AO 94 final with 6-0 6-2; she same player
she had struggled against in AO 93 semis (when she subsequently lost to
Seles in the final).
She destroyed Navratilova in the Tokyo final one week later; the sam
player she lost to at Tokyo one year earlier.

So evidently Graf of 93/94 was far better than one year earlier when
Seles barely held her to #2.

Remaining doubt was quickly dispersed when Seles returned to the game
at age 21 in 1995 and was dominated by injured,
tax-investigation-hunted Steffi Graf. Graf was 4-1 H2H against Seles
post-return (had been 3-2 when Seles was #1 pre-Stabbing).

So it doesn't seem strange that Graf won tons of slams in 93-96. She
simply was the best player of the decade who had a major slump in the
early 90ies. Seles profited a lot from that.

Max

 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by bbbbbbe2.. » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:42:18

You really did a job convincing yourself there, but no cigar. Graf was
on the skids and probably heading for early retirement in pure
frustration at being knocked off her perch. Gunther knew that and you
know that but you just can't let yourself face the reality. Gunther
Parche is the one who gave Graf most of her slams. She was not even
getting to finals anymore.  She got a gift from her ***er friend
Gunther but it's not enough for her fans. They want to believe she
earned them. Can't have it both ways. If she had to earn them, she
wouldn't have won them. People have eyes. You can't just wish facts
away.
Quote:


> > It seems strange that Graf should return to form and resume winning slams
> > she thought were lost forever as soon as Seles was KNIFED out of the way.
> > It was over 3 years since Graf had had a sniff of a AO, FO or USO - but
> > then in 1993 after Gunther's favour she starts winning them again. Weird!

> Not at all.
> The blackmail scandal ended in spring 1992 and Steffi's rise to top
> began.
> She made the FO finals again for the first time in 3 years, losing only
> 8-10 in 3rd to Seles.
> She played her best Wimbledon since 1989 and destroyed Seles in the
> final.
> She made the AO finals again for the first time in 3 years, losing in a
> tough 3-setter to Seles.
> She narrowed the gap in the WTA rankings from 58 pts. (winter 1992) to
> only 21 pts. in April 1993.
> She was 80-7 win/loss in 52 weeks before The Seles Stabbing, Seles only
> 58-5.

> Everything was set for Graf to overtake Seles and to regain her
> rightful place as #1 player.
> Sadly Seles was stabbed on April 30th, 1993.

> But Graf continued her rise.
> She was 81-2 win/loss in 52 weeks after The Stabbing (Seles never ever
> was as good).
> She made the USO final for the first time again in 3 years (Seles never
> ever beat Graf on fast HC).
> She made the YEC final again for the first time in 4 years (Seles never
> ever beat Graf indoors).
> She destroyed Sanchez in the AO 94 final with 6-0 6-2; she same player
> she had struggled against in AO 93 semis (when she subsequently lost to
> Seles in the final).
> She destroyed Navratilova in the Tokyo final one week later; the sam
> player she lost to at Tokyo one year earlier.

> So evidently Graf of 93/94 was far better than one year earlier when
> Seles barely held her to #2.

> Remaining doubt was quickly dispersed when Seles returned to the game
> at age 21 in 1995 and was dominated by injured,
> tax-investigation-hunted Steffi Graf. Graf was 4-1 H2H against Seles
> post-return (had been 3-2 when Seles was #1 pre-Stabbing).

> So it doesn't seem strange that Graf won tons of slams in 93-96. She
> simply was the best player of the decade who had a major slump in the
> early 90ies. Seles profited a lot from that.

> Max


 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by David » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:30:43


Quote:
> You really did a job convincing yourself there, but no cigar. Graf was
> on the skids and probably heading for early retirement in pure
> frustration at being knocked off her perch.Gunther knew that and you
> know that but you just can't let yourself face the reality. Gunther
> Parche is the one who gave Graf most of her slams. She was not even
> getting to finals anymore.  She got a gift from her ***er friend
> Gunther but it's not enough for her fans. They want to believe she
> earned them. Can't have it both ways. If she had to earn them, she
> wouldn't have won them. People have eyes.
> You can't just wish facts away.

You certainly can't. Which of them didn't you understand?

David

 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by Whispe » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:43:51

Quote:

> You really did a job convincing yourself there, but no cigar. Graf was
> on the skids and probably heading for early retirement in pure
> frustration at being knocked off her perch.

Proof?

She just beat her 6-2 6-1 in Wimbledon final so no cause for frustration.

 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by KNIFE » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:01:37

All well and good but he facts are that Graf could not win the FO, AO or
USO while Seles was dominating. She only started winning them again AFTER
Seles was KNIFED.
 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by Calimer » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:17:13

Quote:

> All well and good but he facts are that Graf could not win the FO, AO or
> USO while Seles was dominating. She only started winning them again AFTER
> Seles was KNIFED.

What makes you think she could not have won those slams?
After all she was 3-1 H2H against Seles in 1991/92, Seles's two
*** years.

Graf started winning the slams and YECs again because she made the
finals again.
Don't forget that she made only 4 of 13 major finals from summer 1990
until end of 1992 (= 30 %).
But Graf won almost 75 % of all major finals she played during her
career. So it was to be expected that Graf would win all those finals
again as soon as she was able to reach them. And she made 90 % of major
finals in 93-96.

I have always admitted that most probably Seles would have made about 4
of those 6 slam finals Graf won in 93-95 during Monica's absence.
Considering that Seles has a 33 % winning percentage against Graf she
would have won one (or maybe even two) slams at Graf's cost.

But we never must forget that Seles was not able to win slams until
Graf was distracted by a horrible blackmail scandal. Funny that
Monica's rise began exactly in the moment when the blackmail scandal
started ...

Max

 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by Whispe » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:22:12

Quote:

> All well and good but he facts are that Graf could not win the FO, AO or
> USO while Seles was dominating. She only started winning them again AFTER
> Seles was KNIFED.

Coincidence.
 
 
 

Graf's slump in form coincidentally ends the moment Seles gets KNIFED!

Post by Get a Clue Idiota » Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:16:23

Quote:

> It seems strange that Graf should return to form and resume winning slams
> she thought were lost forever as soon as Seles was KNIFED out of the way.

like 1992, when Seles bent over for Graf in the Wimby final?

Quote:
> It was over 3 years since Graf had had a sniff of a AO, FO or USO - but
> then in 1993 after Gunther's favour she starts winning them again. Weird!

She was in a slump, doofus.