Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Mikko ?mm?l » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:14:24


Just a minor serving trivia from 90:ies.

Source: www.atptennis.com

Sampras - Becker played 1996 three times (all carpet, 1 three setter, 2
five setters)

Becker hit total of 83 aces during those three matches
Sampras hit total of 44 aces during those three matches

Also at ATP champs final 1994 Becker outaced Sampras 30-9 but lost in 4

Becker usually outaced Sampras at all their encounters, the biggest
exception was Wimb1997 when Sampras finally outaced Becker 17-6

As a bonus (big server h2h table..again thanks to www.atptennis.com):

Ivanisevic-Becker was pretty close with Ivanisevic usually coming with
2-4 aces more/match.
At Ivanisevic-Sampras matches, Ivo usually had 10+ more aces than Sampras
Krajicek-Sampras acefest was pretty even with Richard having a couple of
demolishions added (like 28-8 wimb qf 1996)
Krajick-Becker acefest was all about Krajicek having the upper edge (on
average 7-10 aces more than Boris)
Krajicek-Ivanisevic was dead even acefest
Krajicek - Stich clearly Krajicek's favor
Stich - Sampras: Stich really hit a lot more aces with a lone exception
of Wimb 1992 encounter
Stich - Becker : dead even
Stich - Ivanisevic : Ivo ahead

In terms of h2h aces:

IVO >> Sampras,
      > Becker
      > Stich
      = Krajicek
Sampras
      << IVO
      << Becker
      << Stich
      < Krajicek
Becker
      >> Sampras
      << Krajicek
      = Stich
      < Ivanisevic
Krajicek
       = Ivo
       > Sampras
       >> Becker
       >> Stich
Stich
       = Becker
       >> Sampras
       < Ivo
       << Krajicek

Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

Ivo & Krajicek come on top of this a bit artificial comparision = co win
for them.
Becker 3rd
Stich 4th
Sampras 5th

.mikko

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Isaz » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:16:34

Quote:

> Just a minor serving trivia from 90:ies.

> Source: www.atptennis.com

> Sampras - Becker played 1996 three times (all carpet, 1 three setter, 2
> five setters)

> Becker hit total of 83 aces during those three matches
> Sampras hit total of 44 aces during those three matches

> Also at ATP champs final 1994 Becker outaced Sampras 30-9 but lost in 4

> Becker usually outaced Sampras at all their encounters, the biggest
> exception was Wimb1997 when Sampras finally outaced Becker 17-6

> As a bonus (big server h2h table..again thanks to www.atptennis.com):

> Ivanisevic-Becker was pretty close with Ivanisevic usually coming with
> 2-4 aces more/match.
> At Ivanisevic-Sampras matches, Ivo usually had 10+ more aces than Sampras
> Krajicek-Sampras acefest was pretty even with Richard having a couple of
> demolishions added (like 28-8 wimb qf 1996)
> Krajick-Becker acefest was all about Krajicek having the upper edge (on
> average 7-10 aces more than Boris)
> Krajicek-Ivanisevic was dead even acefest
> Krajicek - Stich clearly Krajicek's favor
> Stich - Sampras: Stich really hit a lot more aces with a lone exception
> of Wimb 1992 encounter
> Stich - Becker : dead even
> Stich - Ivanisevic : Ivo ahead

> In terms of h2h aces:

> IVO >> Sampras,
>       > Becker
>       > Stich
>       = Krajicek
> Sampras
>       << IVO
>       << Becker
>       << Stich
>       < Krajicek
> Becker
>       >> Sampras
>       << Krajicek
>       = Stich
>       < Ivanisevic
> Krajicek
>        = Ivo
>        > Sampras
>        >> Becker
>        >> Stich
> Stich
>        = Becker
>        >> Sampras
>        < Ivo
>        << Krajicek

> Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
> probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

> Ivo & Krajicek come on top of this a bit artificial comparision = co win
> for them.
> Becker 3rd
> Stich 4th
> Sampras 5th

> .mikko

Speaking of serving stats, Ivo Karlovic has 647 aces in 36 matches (or
almost 18 aces per match).

Compare that with Ljubicic (11.4), Roddick (10.8), Federer (6.48)

We all know how Fed always out-aces Roddick, but when he played
Karlovic at Wimbledon in 2004, he only broke Dr. Ivo once and was
outaced 14-6.

Dr. Ivo also leads the tour in service games won and 1st serve points
won (and I'm sure in tiebreakers played!!!!)

Makes me wonder how one of these 6'10 athletic guys in the NBA (not
total stiffs like Dr. Ivo) would do if they were given a tennis racquet
at age 9.

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Mikko ?mm?l » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:43:04

Quote:


>>Just a minor serving trivia from 90:ies.

>>Source: www.atptennis.com

>>Sampras - Becker played 1996 three times (all carpet, 1 three setter, 2
>>five setters)

>>Becker hit total of 83 aces during those three matches
>>Sampras hit total of 44 aces during those three matches

>>Also at ATP champs final 1994 Becker outaced Sampras 30-9 but lost in 4

>>Becker usually outaced Sampras at all their encounters, the biggest
>>exception was Wimb1997 when Sampras finally outaced Becker 17-6

>>As a bonus (big server h2h table..again thanks to www.atptennis.com):

>>Ivanisevic-Becker was pretty close with Ivanisevic usually coming with
>>2-4 aces more/match.
>>At Ivanisevic-Sampras matches, Ivo usually had 10+ more aces than Sampras
>>Krajicek-Sampras acefest was pretty even with Richard having a couple of
>>demolishions added (like 28-8 wimb qf 1996)
>>Krajick-Becker acefest was all about Krajicek having the upper edge (on
>>average 7-10 aces more than Boris)
>>Krajicek-Ivanisevic was dead even acefest
>>Krajicek - Stich clearly Krajicek's favor
>>Stich - Sampras: Stich really hit a lot more aces with a lone exception
>>of Wimb 1992 encounter
>>Stich - Becker : dead even
>>Stich - Ivanisevic : Ivo ahead

>>In terms of h2h aces:

>>IVO >> Sampras,
>>      > Becker
>>      > Stich
>>      = Krajicek
>>Sampras
>>      << IVO
>>      << Becker
>>      << Stich
>>      < Krajicek
>>Becker
>>      >> Sampras
>>      << Krajicek
>>      = Stich
>>      < Ivanisevic
>>Krajicek
>>       = Ivo
>>       > Sampras
>>       >> Becker
>>       >> Stich
>>Stich
>>       = Becker
>>       >> Sampras
>>       < Ivo
>>       << Krajicek

>>Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
>>probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

>>Ivo & Krajicek come on top of this a bit artificial comparision = co win
>>for them.
>>Becker 3rd
>>Stich 4th
>>Sampras 5th

>>.mikko

> Speaking of serving stats, Ivo Karlovic has 647 aces in 36 matches (or
> almost 18 aces per match).

Ivanisevic had similar average during his best years. But I think the
best average ever has been done by Joachim "pimpim" Johansson. He is may
be the best server ever, too bad his injuries have put him back to zero
(playing currently at ITF level). Johansson actually clocked 159mph at
some ATP tourmament when he was practically nobody but that was put
under "radar malfunction" (because he just was no name). After that
Johansson later put 151mph twice and put on massive serving stats (like
51 aces in 4 against Agassi on slow rebound).

Johansson's servings stats are just scary and not fun anymore.

Quote:
> Makes me wonder how one of these 6'10 athletic guys in the NBA (not
> total stiffs like Dr. Ivo) would do if they were given a tennis racquet
> at age 9.

Mobility and stamina are too big factor in tennis. 6ft 5" is still the
height of the tallest slam winner (tied by several players). Martin with
his 6ft 6" is the tallest slam finalist and Rosset 6ft 7" is the tallest
slam semifinalist.

.mikko

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Isaz » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:41:55

Quote:



> >>Just a minor serving trivia from 90:ies.

> >>Source: www.atptennis.com

> >>Sampras - Becker played 1996 three times (all carpet, 1 three setter, 2
> >>five setters)

> >>Becker hit total of 83 aces during those three matches
> >>Sampras hit total of 44 aces during those three matches

> >>Also at ATP champs final 1994 Becker outaced Sampras 30-9 but lost in 4

> >>Becker usually outaced Sampras at all their encounters, the biggest
> >>exception was Wimb1997 when Sampras finally outaced Becker 17-6

> >>As a bonus (big server h2h table..again thanks to www.atptennis.com):

> >>Ivanisevic-Becker was pretty close with Ivanisevic usually coming with
> >>2-4 aces more/match.
> >>At Ivanisevic-Sampras matches, Ivo usually had 10+ more aces than Sampras
> >>Krajicek-Sampras acefest was pretty even with Richard having a couple of
> >>demolishions added (like 28-8 wimb qf 1996)
> >>Krajick-Becker acefest was all about Krajicek having the upper edge (on
> >>average 7-10 aces more than Boris)
> >>Krajicek-Ivanisevic was dead even acefest
> >>Krajicek - Stich clearly Krajicek's favor
> >>Stich - Sampras: Stich really hit a lot more aces with a lone exception
> >>of Wimb 1992 encounter
> >>Stich - Becker : dead even
> >>Stich - Ivanisevic : Ivo ahead

> >>In terms of h2h aces:

> >>IVO >> Sampras,
> >>      > Becker
> >>      > Stich
> >>      = Krajicek
> >>Sampras
> >>      << IVO
> >>      << Becker
> >>      << Stich
> >>      < Krajicek
> >>Becker
> >>      >> Sampras
> >>      << Krajicek
> >>      = Stich
> >>      < Ivanisevic
> >>Krajicek
> >>       = Ivo
> >>       > Sampras
> >>       >> Becker
> >>       >> Stich
> >>Stich
> >>       = Becker
> >>       >> Sampras
> >>       < Ivo
> >>       << Krajicek

> >>Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
> >>probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

> >>Ivo & Krajicek come on top of this a bit artificial comparision = co win
> >>for them.
> >>Becker 3rd
> >>Stich 4th
> >>Sampras 5th

> >>.mikko

> > Speaking of serving stats, Ivo Karlovic has 647 aces in 36 matches (or
> > almost 18 aces per match).

> Ivanisevic had similar average during his best years. But I think the
> best average ever has been done by Joachim "pimpim" Johansson. He is may
> be the best server ever, too bad his injuries have put him back to zero
> (playing currently at ITF level). Johansson actually clocked 159mph at
> some ATP tourmament when he was practically nobody but that was put
> under "radar malfunction" (because he just was no name). After that
> Johansson later put 151mph twice and put on massive serving stats (like
> 51 aces in 4 against Agassi on slow rebound).

> Johansson's servings stats are just scary and not fun anymore.

> > Makes me wonder how one of these 6'10 athletic guys in the NBA (not
> > total stiffs like Dr. Ivo) would do if they were given a tennis racquet
> > at age 9.

> Mobility and stamina are too big factor in tennis. 6ft 5" is still the
> height of the tallest slam winner (tied by several players). Martin with
> his 6ft 6" is the tallest slam finalist and Rosset 6ft 7" is the tallest
> slam semifinalist.

> .mikko

True, that's the historical record. But then again there are a lot of
6'10 stiffs in the NBA as well. I don't know how much you follow
basketball, but you're not going to tell me that Dr. Ivo is the same
level athlete as Kevin Garnett or LeBron James or any number of other
players.

The fact is that, even though tennis is a international sport, the best
athletes in the world - including some of these freaks of nature in the
NBA - don't play it, obviously because of lack of access to the game,
not because they couldn't be successful at it.

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Mikko ?mm?l » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:01:20

Quote:




>>>>Just a minor serving trivia from 90:ies.

>>>>Source: www.atptennis.com

>>>>Sampras - Becker played 1996 three times (all carpet, 1 three setter, 2
>>>>five setters)

>>>>Becker hit total of 83 aces during those three matches
>>>>Sampras hit total of 44 aces during those three matches

>>>>Also at ATP champs final 1994 Becker outaced Sampras 30-9 but lost in 4

>>>>Becker usually outaced Sampras at all their encounters, the biggest
>>>>exception was Wimb1997 when Sampras finally outaced Becker 17-6

>>>>As a bonus (big server h2h table..again thanks to www.atptennis.com):

>>>>Ivanisevic-Becker was pretty close with Ivanisevic usually coming with
>>>>2-4 aces more/match.
>>>>At Ivanisevic-Sampras matches, Ivo usually had 10+ more aces than Sampras
>>>>Krajicek-Sampras acefest was pretty even with Richard having a couple of
>>>>demolishions added (like 28-8 wimb qf 1996)
>>>>Krajick-Becker acefest was all about Krajicek having the upper edge (on
>>>>average 7-10 aces more than Boris)
>>>>Krajicek-Ivanisevic was dead even acefest
>>>>Krajicek - Stich clearly Krajicek's favor
>>>>Stich - Sampras: Stich really hit a lot more aces with a lone exception
>>>>of Wimb 1992 encounter
>>>>Stich - Becker : dead even
>>>>Stich - Ivanisevic : Ivo ahead

>>>>In terms of h2h aces:

>>>>IVO >> Sampras,
>>>>     > Becker
>>>>     > Stich
>>>>     = Krajicek
>>>>Sampras
>>>>     << IVO
>>>>     << Becker
>>>>     << Stich
>>>>     < Krajicek
>>>>Becker
>>>>     >> Sampras
>>>>     << Krajicek
>>>>     = Stich
>>>>     < Ivanisevic
>>>>Krajicek
>>>>      = Ivo
>>>>      > Sampras
>>>>      >> Becker
>>>>      >> Stich
>>>>Stich
>>>>      = Becker
>>>>      >> Sampras
>>>>      < Ivo
>>>>      << Krajicek

>>>>Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
>>>>probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

>>>>Ivo & Krajicek come on top of this a bit artificial comparision = co win
>>>>for them.
>>>>Becker 3rd
>>>>Stich 4th
>>>>Sampras 5th

>>>>.mikko

>>>Speaking of serving stats, Ivo Karlovic has 647 aces in 36 matches (or
>>>almost 18 aces per match).

>>Ivanisevic had similar average during his best years. But I think the
>>best average ever has been done by Joachim "pimpim" Johansson. He is may
>>be the best server ever, too bad his injuries have put him back to zero
>>(playing currently at ITF level). Johansson actually clocked 159mph at
>>some ATP tourmament when he was practically nobody but that was put
>>under "radar malfunction" (because he just was no name). After that
>>Johansson later put 151mph twice and put on massive serving stats (like
>>51 aces in 4 against Agassi on slow rebound).

>>Johansson's servings stats are just scary and not fun anymore.

>>>Makes me wonder how one of these 6'10 athletic guys in the NBA (not
>>>total stiffs like Dr. Ivo) would do if they were given a tennis racquet
>>>at age 9.

>>Mobility and stamina are too big factor in tennis. 6ft 5" is still the
>>height of the tallest slam winner (tied by several players). Martin with
>>his 6ft 6" is the tallest slam finalist and Rosset 6ft 7" is the tallest
>>slam semifinalist.

>>.mikko

> True, that's the historical record. But then again there are a lot of
> 6'10 stiffs in the NBA as well. I don't know how much you follow
> basketball, but you're not going to tell me that Dr. Ivo is the same
> level athlete as Kevin Garnett or LeBron James or any number of other
> players.

I am not expert in basketball, but I have always think that their pure
athletic abilities are way overrated. Also their stamina appear to be
next to nill as they sweat like a pig with the game being paused all the
time.

But I really respect their skills with the ball.

.mikko

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Isaz » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:13:06

Quote:

>Also their stamina appear to be
>next to nill as they sweat like a pig with the game being paused all the
>time.

Fair point, it's hard for very large people to be as fit for long
stretches of time. But if we're talking Wimbledon, I'd still take a
player who would - like Karlovic - be able to fire ridiculous amounts
of aces (of course with much, much better mobility) than someone who
can run a marathon. They would be able to keep points really short.

(By the way, Todd Martin was quoted as saying that Karlovic is the best
server he ever faced - and he obviously played tons of great ones.)

Quote:
> I am not expert in basketball, but I have always think that their pure
> athletic abilities are way overrated.

It's hard to compare athletes in different sports. Federer, who has
never played top level basketball, would probably look really slow and
vertically challenged on a basketball court, while basketball players
who have never played tennis would look ridiculous on a tennis court.

But I think it's pretty obvious that the best of the best athletes in
basketball are way more athletic than Karlovic. And despite such
limited athletic ability, Dr. Ivo can go out there against Federer,
Agassi (at Wimby 2004, U.S. Open '05) and many others and hardly ever
have his serve broken.

So I think there is some question there about how better athletes his
size would do.

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:18:24

Quote:


>>Also their stamina appear to be
>>next to nill as they sweat like a pig with the game being paused all the
>>time.

> Fair point, it's hard for very large people to be as fit for long
> stretches of time. But if we're talking Wimbledon, I'd still take a
> player who would - like Karlovic - be able to fire ridiculous amounts
> of aces (of course with much, much better mobility) than someone who
> can run a marathon. They would be able to keep points really short.

> (By the way, Todd Martin was quoted as saying that Karlovic is the best
> server he ever faced - and he obviously played tons of great ones.)

>>I am not expert in basketball, but I have always think that their pure
>>athletic abilities are way overrated.

> It's hard to compare athletes in different sports. Federer, who has
> never played top level basketball, would probably look really slow and
> vertically challenged on a basketball court, while basketball players
> who have never played tennis would look ridiculous on a tennis court.

> But I think it's pretty obvious that the best of the best athletes in
> basketball are way more athletic than Karlovic. And despite such
> limited athletic ability, Dr. Ivo can go out there against Federer,
> Agassi (at Wimby 2004, U.S. Open '05) and many others and hardly ever
> have his serve broken.

> So I think there is some question there about how better athletes his
> size would do.

One would need to weigh the training factor in as well. Big bodies do
break down much easier.

Tennis is a sport which pays pretty well. If being bigger is a big
enough advantage, we ought to see someone big and brutal at the slams.

I think Hops has a height chart over time.

--
Cheers,

vc

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by blanders0.. » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:34:00

Quote:

> Just a minor serving trivia from 90:ies.

> Source: www.atptennis.com

> Sampras - Becker played 1996 three times (all carpet, 1 three setter, 2
> five setters)

> Becker hit total of 83 aces during those three matches
> Sampras hit total of 44 aces during those three matches

> Also at ATP champs final 1994 Becker outaced Sampras 30-9 but lost in 4

> Becker usually outaced Sampras at all their encounters, the biggest
> exception was Wimb1997 when Sampras finally outaced Becker 17-6

> As a bonus (big server h2h table..again thanks to www.atptennis.com):

> Ivanisevic-Becker was pretty close with Ivanisevic usually coming with
> 2-4 aces more/match.
> At Ivanisevic-Sampras matches, Ivo usually had 10+ more aces than Sampras
> Krajicek-Sampras acefest was pretty even with Richard having a couple of
> demolishions added (like 28-8 wimb qf 1996)
> Krajick-Becker acefest was all about Krajicek having the upper edge (on
> average 7-10 aces more than Boris)
> Krajicek-Ivanisevic was dead even acefest
> Krajicek - Stich clearly Krajicek's favor
> Stich - Sampras: Stich really hit a lot more aces with a lone exception
> of Wimb 1992 encounter
> Stich - Becker : dead even
> Stich - Ivanisevic : Ivo ahead

> In terms of h2h aces:

> IVO >> Sampras,
>       > Becker
>       > Stich
>       = Krajicek
> Sampras
>       << IVO
>       << Becker
>       << Stich
>       < Krajicek
> Becker
>       >> Sampras
>       << Krajicek
>       = Stich
>       < Ivanisevic
> Krajicek
>        = Ivo
>        > Sampras
>        >> Becker
>        >> Stich
> Stich
>        = Becker
>        >> Sampras
>        < Ivo
>        << Krajicek

> Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
> probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

Fair question, but I think you know the answer.  And all the guys on
the list had pretty nice overall packages.

Quote:

> Ivo & Krajicek come on top of this a bit artificial comparision = co win
> for them.
> Becker 3rd
> Stich 4th
> Sampras 5th

> .mikko

Interesting.
 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by coop-a-loo » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:52:38

Slightly off-topic.  Some key stats also from atp site:

2004 AO:  Safin averaged 20 aces per match (hit 33 vs. AA).  Vs.
Federer, he hit _3_.  To be fair, Safin was tired in final.

2003 Wim:  Flipper averaged 27 aces per match (hit 46 vs. AA).  vs Fed:
 he hit 14.

2003-05 Wim:  Roddick averaged 13/13/17.  vs. fed:  hit 4/4/7

2006 USO:  Roddick averaged 16 aces per match.  vs. Fed, hit 7.

--------
2005 AO:  Safin hit 16 aces vs. Fed in SF.  averaged 12.5 in other
matches (inc. vs. Hew).

Of course, this is not perfect/exact.  Doesn't take into account length
of matches (# of games/sets played).

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by stephen » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:59:58

Quote:

> Sampras had losing ace records against all these big servers...he
> probably had better back up game (or poorer return reflexes)?

both?

--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."

- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Isaz » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:02:13

Quote:

> Slightly off-topic.  Some key stats also from atp site:

> 2004 AO:  Safin averaged 20 aces per match (hit 33 vs. AA).  Vs.
> Federer, he hit _3_.  To be fair, Safin was tired in final.

> 2003 Wim:  Flipper averaged 27 aces per match (hit 46 vs. AA).  vs Fed:
>  he hit 14.

> 2003-05 Wim:  Roddick averaged 13/13/17.  vs. fed:  hit 4/4/7

> 2006 USO:  Roddick averaged 16 aces per match.  vs. Fed, hit 7.

> --------
> 2005 AO:  Safin hit 16 aces vs. Fed in SF.  averaged 12.5 in other
> matches (inc. vs. Hew).

> Of course, this is not perfect/exact.  Doesn't take into account length
> of matches (# of games/sets played).

Yes, good stats.

Note that it took Safin five sets to hit 16 aces against Fed, so only
just over 3 per set. Not many.

I wrote above that Karlovic hit I think 16 aces against Fed in three
sets, which is a lot against Fed but definitely below average for Dr.
Ivo.  I think he hit almost 30 against Andre in three sets in the 2005
USO. Seemed like 50!!!

Fed and Andre: 2 great players but Fed perhaps the toughest to ace ever
and Andre the easiest?

Some other ace barrages against Andre: 2000 Aussie semi (Sampras 37),
J. Johansson at AO 2005 (51, in 4 sets!!!)

 
 
 

Interesting Serving Stats from Becker-Sampras matches + some other big serving comparisions

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:32:19

Quote:


>>Slightly off-topic.  Some key stats also from atp site:

>>2004 AO:  Safin averaged 20 aces per match (hit 33 vs. AA).  Vs.
>>Federer, he hit _3_.  To be fair, Safin was tired in final.

>>2003 Wim:  Flipper averaged 27 aces per match (hit 46 vs. AA).  vs Fed:
>> he hit 14.

>>2003-05 Wim:  Roddick averaged 13/13/17.  vs. fed:  hit 4/4/7

>>2006 USO:  Roddick averaged 16 aces per match.  vs. Fed, hit 7.

>>--------
>>2005 AO:  Safin hit 16 aces vs. Fed in SF.  averaged 12.5 in other
>>matches (inc. vs. Hew).

>>Of course, this is not perfect/exact.  Doesn't take into account length
>>of matches (# of games/sets played).

> Yes, good stats.

> Note that it took Safin five sets to hit 16 aces against Fed, so only
> just over 3 per set. Not many.

> I wrote above that Karlovic hit I think 16 aces against Fed in three
> sets, which is a lot against Fed but definitely below average for Dr.
> Ivo.  I think he hit almost 30 against Andre in three sets in the 2005
> USO. Seemed like 50!!!

> Fed and Andre: 2 great players but Fed perhaps the toughest to ace ever
> and Andre the easiest?

> Some other ace barrages against Andre: 2000 Aussie semi (Sampras 37),
> J. Johansson at AO 2005 (51, in 4 sets!!!)

Agassi punishes the ones he can reach more than Federer. But nobody
beats Federer at laying a racquet on the ball or in blocking back a
surprising number of them deep.

In the 2001 Federer-Sampras match, Sampras outaced Federer 26 to 25 but
also out DF'ed him. Wonder how the improved version from 2004 onwards
would compare to the 2001 edition?

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