Serena on a roll

Serena on a roll

Post by Dave Hazelwoo » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:24:58


Quote:

>10.4.2013 3:37, Court_1 kirjoitti:

>>> So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
>>> because she has a better serve.

>> They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

>>> We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
>>> with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
>>> overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
>>> attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
>>> she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
>>> spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
>>> 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
>>> is not always peak.

>> Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria! Next time
>> take your blindfold off when you watch a Serena/Maria beatdown.  I
>> don't know what *** you are taking but please stop taking them.
>> Serena is more talented than Sharapova. End of story. There is NO
>> discussion on this matter.

>> You cannot be defeated by one player for nine straight years and then
>> turn around and say that the player who has been thrashed repeatedly
>> for nine years is just as talented as the winning player. Sharapova
>> should have done something differently in all of this time to beat
>> Serena. She is obviously not capable for whatever reasons, most of it
>> could be mental. It doesn't matter what the reasons for the mismatch
>> are, it only matters that they are real. Serena is both the better
>> player in the match-up and the greater player overall.

>Serena is obviously a better player and more talented... but not by that
>much you people make it sound...

>Maria could/should have won at IW, and on couple other previous matches
>as well, Sharapova has some sort of mental block against Serena...

>Yeah, Maria is pretty one dimensional but it's not like Serena beats her
>with variety... Maria is also very talented at what she does, that's
>just her style of play.

>At least Maria looks like a woman.

Serena is a FREAK and a person FULL of HATRED.  I don't know how any
good person can admire her at all.
 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by Court_ » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:09:54


Quote:


> > > So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
> > > because she has a better serve.

> > They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

> > > We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
> > > with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
> > > overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
> > > attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
> > > she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
> > > spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
> > > 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
> > > is not always peak.

> > Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria!

> Is that why Serena has been much less successful on red clay than
> Maria?

Serena has not been much less successful on red clay than Maria has.
How many FO's have both won? How many total clay tournaments have they
won? I don't have time to look it up now but I am pretty sure they
have almost an equal number of clay titles, maybe Serena has one less
if I recall?

 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by Court_ » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:12:24


Quote:
> So 90% of the players hit big, and then it is the question of who is
> best at that. Currently Serena is the best, and Sharapova and Azarenka
> are the next best. Simple as that.

I agree with you. Serena is the best by far and then a few rungs below
are Sharapova and Azarenka in terms of consistent results.

 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by Sakari Lun » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:35:21

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Court_1

Quote:


>> So 90% of the players hit big, and then it is the question of who is
>> best at that. Currently Serena is the best, and Sharapova and Azarenka
>> are the next best. Simple as that.

>I agree with you. Serena is the best by far and then a few rungs below
>are Sharapova and Azarenka in terms of consistent results.

But in the post I replied to, you said Sharapova's biggest problem is
that she only has one plan. That is not a problem, it is the same with
most other players. The problem is that Serena is just better with
that game, and that is a problem only against Serena.
 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by Court_ » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:41:08


Quote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Court_1



> >> So 90% of the players hit big, and then it is the question of who is
> >> best at that. Currently Serena is the best, and Sharapova and Azarenka
> >> are the next best. Simple as that.

> >I agree with you. Serena is the best by far and then a few rungs below
> >are Sharapova and Azarenka in terms of consistent results.

> But in the post I replied to, you said Sharapova's biggest problem is
> that she only has one plan. That is not a problem, it is the same with
> most other players. The problem is that Serena is just better with
> that game, and that is a problem only against Serena.

No, that is not completely correct. The fact that Sharapova only has
one gameplan can sometimes hurt her with other players such as
Kvitova, Azarenka and Li Na. It always hurts her with Serena, but
Serena is leagues above Sharapova and leagues above the other WTA
players as well.
 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by heyguy.. » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 04:09:50

Quote:

> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Court_1



> >> So 90% of the players hit big, and then it is the question of who is

> >> best at that. Currently Serena is the best, and Sharapova and Azarenka

> >> are the next best. Simple as that.

> >I agree with you. Serena is the best by far and then a few rungs below

> >are Sharapova and Azarenka in terms of consistent results.

> But in the post I replied to, you said Sharapova's biggest problem is

> that she only has one plan. That is not a problem, it is the same with

> most other players. The problem is that Serena is just better with

> that game, and that is a problem only against Serena.

They all have the same game plan, but Serena is more competent than Sharapova in hitting occasional slice backhands, drop shots, and volleys.  Of course, this is all relative, as Serena is pretty average in those areas in the scheme of things.
 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by ca1hou » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 04:13:44

Quote:

> 10.4.2013 3:37, Court_1 kirjoitti:


> >> So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works

> >> because she has a better serve.

> > They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

> >> We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do

> >> with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but

> >> overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse

> >> attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but

> >> she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty

> >> spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO

> >> 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she

> >> is not always peak.

> > Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria! Next time

> > take your blindfold off when you watch a Serena/Maria beatdown.  I

> > don't know what *** you are taking but please stop taking them.

> > Serena is more talented than Sharapova. End of story. There is NO

> > discussion on this matter.

> > You cannot be defeated by one player for nine straight years and then

> > turn around and say that the player who has been thrashed repeatedly

> > for nine years is just as talented as the winning player. Sharapova

> > should have done something differently in all of this time to beat

> > Serena. She is obviously not capable for whatever reasons, most of it

> > could be mental. It doesn't matter what the reasons for the mismatch

> > are, it only matters that they are real. Serena is both the better

> > player in the match-up and the greater player overall.

> Serena is obviously a better player and more talented... but not by that

> much you people make it sound...

> Maria could/should have won at IW, and on couple other previous matches

> as well, Sharapova has some sort of mental block against Serena...

> Yeah, Maria is pretty one dimensional but it's not like Serena beats her

> with variety... Maria is also very talented at what she does, that's

> just her style of play.

> At least Maria looks like a woman.

Yes true but in tennis title matter more.  Nadal a dropper but you don't care as long as he win
 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by pltrgys » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:34:36


Quote:


>> ... would be a disgusting sandwich.

> So you didn't quit rst then?  :-)

First time I've peeked in in what, a month? Six weeks?

Happen to be working the Sarasota Open on the Challenger Circuit, and
felt like dropping by.

Have trimmed Usenet back to just one group, rec.food.cooking. Much less
daily aggravation. 8;)

Take care, Sakari...

-- Larry

 
 
 

Serena on a roll

Post by bob » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:17:36

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 05:55:29 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777

Quote:



>> >10.4.2013 3:37, Court_1 kirjoitti:

>> >>> So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
>> >>> because she has a better serve.

>> >> They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

>> >>> We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
>> >>> with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
>> >>> overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
>> >>> attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
>> >>> she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
>> >>> spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
>> >>> 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
>> >>> is not always peak.

>> >> Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria! Next time
>> >> take your blindfold off when you watch a Serena/Maria beatdown. I
>> >> don't know what *** you are taking but please stop taking them.
>> >> Serena is more talented than Sharapova. End of story. There is NO
>> >> discussion on this matter.

>> >> You cannot be defeated by one player for nine straight years and then
>> >> turn around and say that the player who has been thrashed repeatedly
>> >> for nine years is just as talented as the winning player. Sharapova
>> >> should have done something differently in all of this time to beat
>> >> Serena. She is obviously not capable for whatever reasons, most of it
>> >> could be mental. It doesn't matter what the reasons for the mismatch
>> >> are, it only matters that they are real. Serena is both the better
>> >> player in the match-up and the greater player overall.

>> >Serena is obviously a better player and more talented... but not by that
>> >much you people make it sound...

>> >Maria could/should have won at IW, and on couple other previous matches
>> >as well, Sharapova has some sort of mental block against Serena...

>> >Yeah, Maria is pretty one dimensional

>> that's the pt i was making - not whether she was an effective player,
>> which she is, but whether she has all this oozing talent - which IMO
>> she does not.

>Define talent. Is it hitting fairy-like drop shots or drop volleys?
>McEnroe styled game won't cut it these days.

once again, i'll give my def'n. being able to hit a variety of shots
well, and under pressure, and having the inate ability to do it w/out
probably having to work as hard as the others. that surely ain't
sharapova.

Quote:
>> > but it's not like Serena beats her
>> >with variety... Maria is also very talented at what she does, that's
>> >just her style of play.
>> >At least Maria looks like a woman.

>> no doubt.

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Post by bob » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:18:57

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 05:56:16 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777

Quote:


>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777




>> >> > On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Court_1



>> >> > >> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Court_1



>> >> > >> >> comparing sharapova to mcenroe? wow. now i've seen it all. i agree
>> >> > >> >> that sometimes a brute force slug can beat a more fluid and talented
>> >> > >> >> player, but sharapova certainly doesn't ooze talent. she's tall, hits
>> >> > >> >> hard from the baseline, and when on, can win. that's about it. poor
>> >> > >> >> serve, poor movement, no net game.

>> >> > >> >That is not really the case. When Sharapova is on, which is most of
>> >> > >> >the time, she can beat ANY of the other WTA players but the point is,
>> >> > >> >she can't beat Serena in a big stage match. She has proven that over
>> >> > >> >and over again for the past NINE years! Compared to most of the other
>> >> > >> >WTA players, Sharapova is very talented, but compared to Serena, not
>> >> > >> >so much.

>> >> > >> >P.S. Sharapova's serve is not poor and her movement has improved a lot
>> >> > >> >over the past two years, you are obviously not watching her much.

>> >> > >> no, i have watched her plenty last 2 yrs.

>> >> > >> her serve, for a girl 6'2" is an embarrassment, and her movement got
>> >> > >> pretty good last year for a short time, but mostly just appeared so
>> >> > >> cause we're used to seeing her previously terrible movement.

>> >> > >Her biggest problem is not her serve (although her serve can be
>> >> > >erratic) or her movement. There are many players who have worse
>> >> > >movement than Sharapova. Her biggest problem is she has one plan and
>> >> > >that is to powerfully hit winners off of both sides 24/7. If that plan
>> >> > >is not working and she plays a player who can absorb her power and mix
>> >> > >it up against Sharapova, Sharapova has no other options and she begins
>> >> > >to make errors. Serena does everything better than Sharapova, it is a
>> >> > >stupid match-up.

>> >> > she does that very limited but somtimes successful plan cause that's
>> >> > *all* she can do. that's why i said she's not the most talented girl
>> >> > on tour. to which you disagreed, then replied with a post that
>> >> > confirms my original supposition. mucho gracias!

>> >> I said Sharapova is very talented and is more talented than most of
>> >> the other WTA players but she is NOT more talented than S.Williams who
>> >> is in a whole other league. Sharapova IS talented it just depends on
>> >> whom you compare her to. Get it now? Good, thanks! ;)

>> >the little cretin is trying to put words in your mouth. Don't fall for
>> >it.

>> i offer to loan you a proper suit for your wedding and you repay me by
>> calling me a little cretin? lmao.

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>lol, you suit would fit The Penguin from The Batman movie, not me.

lol. is penguin 5'11", 178? lost 2 lbs this month.

bob