Serena on a roll

Serena on a roll

Post by TT » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:12:43


10.4.2013 3:37, Court_1 kirjoitti:

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>> So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
>> because she has a better serve.

> They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

>> We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
>> with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
>> overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
>> attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
>> she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
>> spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
>> 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
>> is not always peak.

> Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria! Next time
> take your blindfold off when you watch a Serena/Maria beatdown.  I
> don't know what *** you are taking but please stop taking them.
> Serena is more talented than Sharapova. End of story. There is NO
> discussion on this matter.

> You cannot be defeated by one player for nine straight years and then
> turn around and say that the player who has been thrashed repeatedly
> for nine years is just as talented as the winning player. Sharapova
> should have done something differently in all of this time to beat
> Serena. She is obviously not capable for whatever reasons, most of it
> could be mental. It doesn't matter what the reasons for the mismatch
> are, it only matters that they are real. Serena is both the better
> player in the match-up and the greater player overall.

Serena is obviously a better player and more talented... but not by that
much you people make it sound...

Maria could/should have won at IW, and on couple other previous matches
as well, Sharapova has some sort of mental block against Serena...

Yeah, Maria is pretty one dimensional but it's not like Serena beats her
with variety... Maria is also very talented at what she does, that's
just her style of play.

At least Maria looks like a woman.

 
 
 

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Post by Sakari Lun » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:37:08

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Court_1

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>Her biggest problem is she has one plan and
>that is to powerfully hit winners off of both sides 24/7.

That is the plan of 90% of WTA players. And for me, that is a better
plan than what the rest (like Wozniacki) have, to defend and hit
everything back you can.

So 90% of the players hit big, and then it is the question of who is
best at that. Currently Serena is the best, and Sharapova and Azarenka
are the next best. Simple as that.

 
 
 

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Post by bob » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:15:18

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>10.4.2013 3:37, Court_1 kirjoitti:

>>> So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
>>> because she has a better serve.

>> They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

>>> We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
>>> with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
>>> overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
>>> attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
>>> she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
>>> spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
>>> 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
>>> is not always peak.

>> Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria! Next time
>> take your blindfold off when you watch a Serena/Maria beatdown.  I
>> don't know what *** you are taking but please stop taking them.
>> Serena is more talented than Sharapova. End of story. There is NO
>> discussion on this matter.

>> You cannot be defeated by one player for nine straight years and then
>> turn around and say that the player who has been thrashed repeatedly
>> for nine years is just as talented as the winning player. Sharapova
>> should have done something differently in all of this time to beat
>> Serena. She is obviously not capable for whatever reasons, most of it
>> could be mental. It doesn't matter what the reasons for the mismatch
>> are, it only matters that they are real. Serena is both the better
>> player in the match-up and the greater player overall.

>Serena is obviously a better player and more talented... but not by that
>much you people make it sound...

>Maria could/should have won at IW, and on couple other previous matches
>as well, Sharapova has some sort of mental block against Serena...

>Yeah, Maria is pretty one dimensional

that's the pt i was making - not whether she was an effective player,
which she is, but whether she has all this oozing talent - which IMO
she does not.

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> but it's not like Serena beats her
>with variety... Maria is also very talented at what she does, that's
>just her style of play.
>At least Maria looks like a woman.

no doubt.

bob

 
 
 

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Post by Raja The Grea » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:17:43

Good post TT
 
 
 

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:54:38


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> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Court_1


> >Her biggest problem is she has one plan and
> >that is to powerfully hit winners off of both sides 24/7.

> That is the plan of 90% of WTA players. And for me, that is a better
> plan than what the rest (like Wozniacki) have, to defend and hit
> everything back you can.

That is the plan for everybody. Even Lendl and Graf did the same. Yes
you can mix in some drop shots and some lobs here and there. And
defend when needed, but it is the philosophy of a power baseliner to
hit winners all day long from both sides. During Graf/Lendl days one
could get away with being passive, but not now with the modern rackets
and strings.

Another big thing that has happened is ROS has become increasingly
easy with the modern rackets. So if you now go on the attack whether
you are serving or returning. Also, coming to the net is suicide these
days. So you won't see many drop volleys or lobs. So that cuts the
variety. I am not saying Sharapova cannot add some variety to her game
but probably it is not needed. What Sharapova coud do with her game is
be more patient. She has already done that quite a lot. Thats what won
her FO 2012 and many other clay titles.

Trust me, if Wozniacki had power she would do the same. She doesn't
have the weapons to do the same. Not everyone can hit like Serena,
Maria, Azarenka.

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> So 90% of the players hit big, and then it is the question of who is
> best at that. Currently Serena is the best, and Sharapova and Azarenka
> are the next best. Simple as that.

Yes, thats true. Power players have been dominating for a long time.
Even Borg and Connors during their days were considered power
players.
 
 
 

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:55:29


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> >10.4.2013 3:37, Court_1 kirjoitti:

> >>> So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
> >>> because she has a better serve.

> >> They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

> >>> We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
> >>> with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
> >>> overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
> >>> attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
> >>> she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
> >>> spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
> >>> 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
> >>> is not always peak.

> >> Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria! Next time
> >> take your blindfold off when you watch a Serena/Maria beatdown. ?I
> >> don't know what *** you are taking but please stop taking them.
> >> Serena is more talented than Sharapova. End of story. There is NO
> >> discussion on this matter.

> >> You cannot be defeated by one player for nine straight years and then
> >> turn around and say that the player who has been thrashed repeatedly
> >> for nine years is just as talented as the winning player. Sharapova
> >> should have done something differently in all of this time to beat
> >> Serena. She is obviously not capable for whatever reasons, most of it
> >> could be mental. It doesn't matter what the reasons for the mismatch
> >> are, it only matters that they are real. Serena is both the better
> >> player in the match-up and the greater player overall.

> >Serena is obviously a better player and more talented... but not by that
> >much you people make it sound...

> >Maria could/should have won at IW, and on couple other previous matches
> >as well, Sharapova has some sort of mental block against Serena...

> >Yeah, Maria is pretty one dimensional

> that's the pt i was making - not whether she was an effective player,
> which she is, but whether she has all this oozing talent - which IMO
> she does not.

Define talent. Is it hitting fairy-like drop shots or drop volleys?
McEnroe styled game won't cut it these days.

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> > but it's not like Serena beats her
> >with variety... Maria is also very talented at what she does, that's
> >just her style of play.
> >At least Maria looks like a woman.

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:56:16


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> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777




> >> > On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Court_1



> >> > >> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Court_1



> >> > >> >> comparing sharapova to mcenroe? wow. now i've seen it all. i agree
> >> > >> >> that sometimes a brute force slug can beat a more fluid and talented
> >> > >> >> player, but sharapova certainly doesn't ooze talent. she's tall, hits
> >> > >> >> hard from the baseline, and when on, can win. that's about it. poor
> >> > >> >> serve, poor movement, no net game.

> >> > >> >That is not really the case. When Sharapova is on, which is most of
> >> > >> >the time, she can beat ANY of the other WTA players but the point is,
> >> > >> >she can't beat Serena in a big stage match. She has proven that over
> >> > >> >and over again for the past NINE years! Compared to most of the other
> >> > >> >WTA players, Sharapova is very talented, but compared to Serena, not
> >> > >> >so much.

> >> > >> >P.S. Sharapova's serve is not poor and her movement has improved a lot
> >> > >> >over the past two years, you are obviously not watching her much.

> >> > >> no, i have watched her plenty last 2 yrs.

> >> > >> her serve, for a girl 6'2" is an embarrassment, and her movement got
> >> > >> pretty good last year for a short time, but mostly just appeared so
> >> > >> cause we're used to seeing her previously terrible movement.

> >> > >Her biggest problem is not her serve (although her serve can be
> >> > >erratic) or her movement. There are many players who have worse
> >> > >movement than Sharapova. Her biggest problem is she has one plan and
> >> > >that is to powerfully hit winners off of both sides 24/7. If that plan
> >> > >is not working and she plays a player who can absorb her power and mix
> >> > >it up against Sharapova, Sharapova has no other options and she begins
> >> > >to make errors. Serena does everything better than Sharapova, it is a
> >> > >stupid match-up.

> >> > she does that very limited but somtimes successful plan cause that's
> >> > *all* she can do. that's why i said she's not the most talented girl
> >> > on tour. to which you disagreed, then replied with a post that
> >> > confirms my original supposition. mucho gracias!

> >> I said Sharapova is very talented and is more talented than most of
> >> the other WTA players but she is NOT more talented than S.Williams who
> >> is in a whole other league. Sharapova IS talented it just depends on
> >> whom you compare her to. Get it now? Good, thanks! ;)

> >the little cretin is trying to put words in your mouth. Don't fall for
> >it.

> i offer to loan you a proper suit for your wedding and you repay me by
> calling me a little cretin? lmao.

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lol, you suit would fit The Penguin from The Batman movie, not me.
 
 
 

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:57:06


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> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:17:37 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777



> >> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:04:35 -0700 (PDT), soccerfan777




> >> >> > So basically you are saying if Sharapova trains a lot she will win just like Borg, Connors and Lendl did against McEnroe?

> >> >> > I feel she just has to increase her 1st serve percentage. If she can hold her serve she can demolish Serena like she did in 2004.

> >> >> > But the main question is will she put the effort to train hard and improve her serve

> >> >> No not at all, training want help Pova. Serena to far head. Mac would have been like that as well but he found coke and Borg left him with nothing to really do in tennis.

> >> >BS... Lendl was kicking his ass even in 1981. McEnroe didn't find coke
> >> >until he semi retired in 1986. Enough excuses for him. You sound like
> >> >Whisper

> >> the rivalry went mac-lendl-mac-lendl. but the main reason for that
> >> last lendl was mac fell off a cliff. his own doing.

> >Did he fall off the cliff in 1981? Lendl beat him every time they met
> >in 1981 and McEnroe won 2 slams that year eclipsing the mighty Borg.

> no - that was the 1st 'lendl' in my list. then mac made a change,
> improved, and beat lendl about 10 of next 12.

Who cares... Lendl beat him 7 times in a row, when he was #1.

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> >1981 ? ? ? ? Roland Garros ?Clay ? ?Q ? ? ? Ivan Lendl ? ? ?64, 64, 75
> >1981 ? ? ? ? TCH VS USA QF ?Hard ? ?RR ? ? ?Ivan Lendl ? ? ?64, 1412, 75
> >1981 ? ? ? ? Masters ? ? ? ?Carpet ?S ? ? ? Ivan Lendl ? ? ?64, 62
> >1982 ? ? ? ? Dallas, Texas for World Championship Tennis ? ?Carpet ?F ? ? ? Ivan Lendl
> >62, 36, 63, 63
> >1982 ? ? ? ? Toronto ? ? ? ?Hard ? ?S ? ? ? Ivan Lendl ? ? ?64, 64
> >1982 ? ? ? ? US Open ? ? ? ?Hard ? ?S ? ? ? Ivan Lendl ? ? ?64, 64, 76
> >1982 ? ? ? ? New York City ?Carpet ?F ? ? ? Ivan Lendl ? ? ?64, 64, 62

> >7 ass-whoopings in a row... not losing a single match in one year...
> >dropped only one set in two years... wow... even Djoker did not
> >dominate Nadal like that or even Nadal did not dominate Federer like
> >that.

> >> >> Today Serena want everybody to know that in 2004 she was not in the right mindset. The *** does have like 6 sister so there could have been something wrong with one of the Williams family which are famous for never discuss personal business. Serena said that at the time but since it was a pretty white girl who beat her everybody jump down on started to hate Serena. I really think Serena has and done worst then that but i guess that was icing on the cake for most tennis fans. I sometime wish the *** would hire PR professional like Nadal but as of right now classiness is not what Serena is going to bring. Ass *** on the other hand is another story.

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Post by TT » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:02:47

10.4.2013 15:55, soccerfan777 kirjoitti:

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> Define talent. Is it hitting fairy-like drop shots or drop volleys?
> McEnroe styled game won't cut it these days.

Talent=Hingis
 
 
 

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:04:20


Quote:

> > So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works
> > because she has a better serve.

> They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

> > We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do
> > with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but
> > overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse
> > attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but
> > she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty
> > spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO
> > 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she
> > is not always peak.

> Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria!

Is that why Serena has been much less successful on red clay than
Maria?
 
 
 

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:05:27


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> 10.4.2013 15:55, soccerfan777 kirjoitti:

> > Define talent. Is it hitting fairy-like drop shots or drop volleys?
> > McEnroe styled game won't cut it these days.

> Talent=Hingis

But then she lacked talent in serving :-)
 
 
 

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Post by pltrgys » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:06:41

... would be a disgusting sandwich.

-- Larry

 
 
 

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Post by heyguy.. » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:35:58

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> > > So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works

> > > because she has a better serve.

> > They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

> > > We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do

> > > with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but

> > > overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse

> > > attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but

> > > she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty

> > > spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO

> > > 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she

> > > is not always peak.

> > Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria!

> Is that why Serena has been much less successful on red clay than

> Maria?

Maria's FO win was mostly the result of an easy draw.  It's not like she beat Henin, Capriati, Kusnetsova and other good clay court players...

I think the last thing Maria needs to do is be more patient. I think she should play every hard court and grass court match like the 06 USO where she surprised everyone by attacking and coming to net against Henin.  That would give her a much better chance against Serena than battling from the baseline.

 
 
 

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Post by Sakari Lun » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:39:11



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>... would be a disgusting sandwich.

So you didn't quit rst then?  :-)
 
 
 

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Post by soccerfan77 » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:50:08


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> > > > So basically she has the same gameplan as Sharapova? ;-) It works

> > > > because she has a better serve.

> > > They are MILES apart on the master gameplan Raja!

> > > > We are not talking achievements here. Achievements have nothing to do

> > > > with talent. Serena is pretty much Sharapova with a better serve but

> > > > overall more erratic groundstrokes, less grace and a far worse

> > > > attitude towards peers. Peak Serena can be very difficult to beat, but

> > > > she hardly plays peak (except last 1 year when she has been pretty

> > > > spot on). But that is the same with Sharapova. Peak Sharapova (USO

> > > > 2006, AO 2008, FO 2012) is very difficult to beat. But then again she

> > > > is not always peak.

> > > Serena does not have more erratic groundstrokes than Maria!

> > Is that why Serena has been much less successful on red clay than

> > Maria?

> Maria's FO win was mostly the result of an easy draw. ?It's not like she beat Henin, Capriati, Kusnetsova and other good clay court players...

Henin and Capriati are retired. What is she supposed to do? Persuade
them to come out of retirement. Maria gave Henin a very tough time to
Henin at FO, the last time they met. It went to three straights and
Maria almost won.

She also has won many clay tournaments now (6 to be precise. Thats 6
out of 28 titles on clay). In fact all the three tournaments she won
last year were on red clay. She did beat Kvitova in the semis.

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> I think the last thing Maria needs to do is be more patient. I think she should play every hard court and grass court match like the 06 USO where she surprised everyone by attacking and coming to net against Henin. ?That would give her a much better chance against Serena than battling from the baseline.- Hide quoted text -

I think that strategy will wok on HC and grass, but not on clay. You
should use different strategies on different surface... sort of like
Lendl.

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