Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by noon » Tue, 20 May 2008 14:46:28


1. He must mix up his backhand, throw in a few more slices on his
ground game and return of serve. He tries to do too much with his
one-handed topspin backhand

2. He needs a serve and volley coach,because he seems to come in at
the wrong time or not at all.The coach must not be a lefty or clay
court player.

3. He needs to work on his Can Opener serve on the deuce court Sampras
and Mac used it very well

4. He needs to learn how to serve to a lefty. He seems to serve mostly
to Nadal's forehand,yet Nadal serves mainly to Fed's backhand

Fed stands too close to the center service mark in the deuce court and
too far from the service mark in the add court when playing Nadal (
this is a basic tactical mistake) against a lefty.

5. If Fed thinks he is going to win from the baseline alone as time
moves on he's fooling himself

6. If he thinks he is going to out hit any of to-days players with his
one handed topspin backhand from the baseline he's fooling himself

 
 
 

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by TennisGu » Wed, 21 May 2008 03:48:21

Good analysis.

Quote:
>2. He needs a serve and volley coach,because he seems to come in at
>the wrong time or not at all.The coach must not be a lefty or clay
>court player.

 By that, I take it you mean coming in on S&V at the wrong time. I
agree with that 100%.  He's even had the nerve to come in on 2nd serve
against Nadal and to his forehand nonetheless!

He has had good success though at coming to net during rallies, and
should do this much more often, picking the *right* moments though.

Quote:
>4. He needs to learn how to serve to a lefty. He seems to serve mostly
>to Nadal's forehand,yet Nadal serves mainly to Fed's backhand

Absolutely. This is a really big one. A serve to Nadal's FH sets the
tone from the first stroke of the point.
He also needs to avoid his FH for almost every stroke of the rally,
the same way Nadal avoids Fed's FH religiously. Nadal ain't no fool.
He's worked out a winning formula. Fed needs to work out his own.

Nadal's is very simple:
1. Play to Fed's BH whenever possible, until it draws a short ball.
2. Use as much *heavy topspin* as possible on the FH's to Fed's BH.

Overall, Fed has been very successful with his dropshots, now that
he's started to use them. He's even winning FH dropshots now!
He needs to view them in the same light as he views his flat FH shots;
as a potent and legitimate weapon.  

Quote:

>1. He must mix up his backhand, throw in a few more slices on his
>ground game and return of serve. He tries to do too much with his
>one-handed topspin backhand

>2. He needs a serve and volley coach,because he seems to come in at
>the wrong time or not at all.The coach must not be a lefty or clay
>court player.

>3. He needs to work on his Can Opener serve on the deuce court Sampras
>and Mac used it very well

>4. He needs to learn how to serve to a lefty. He seems to serve mostly
>to Nadal's forehand,yet Nadal serves mainly to Fed's backhand

>Fed stands too close to the center service mark in the deuce court and
>too far from the service mark in the add court when playing Nadal (
>this is a basic tactical mistake) against a lefty.

>5. If Fed thinks he is going to win from the baseline alone as time
>moves on he's fooling himself

>6. If he thinks he is going to out hit any of to-days players with his
>one handed topspin backhand from the baseline he's fooling himself


 
 
 

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by Ariett » Wed, 21 May 2008 04:20:27


Quote:
> 1. He must mix up his backhand, throw in a few more slices on his
> ground game and return of serve. He tries to do too much with his
> one-handed topspin backhand

> 2. He needs a serve and volley coach,because he seems to come in at
> the wrong time or not at all.The coach must not be a lefty or clay
> court player.

> 3. He needs to work on his Can Opener serve on the deuce court Sampras
> and Mac used it very well

> 4. He needs to learn how to serve to a lefty. He seems to serve mostly
> to Nadal's forehand,yet Nadal serves mainly to Fed's backhand

> Fed stands too close to the center service mark in the deuce court and
> too far from the service mark in the add court when playing Nadal (
> this is a basic tactical mistake) against a lefty.

> 5. If Fed thinks he is going to win from the baseline alone as time
> moves on he's fooling himself

> 6. If he thinks he is going to out hit any of to-days players with his
> one handed topspin backhand from the baseline he's fooling himself

I agree mostly.  I think he needs to work on improving his first serve
percentage, especially on crucial points.  He needs at least 65-70%
hard first serves to have any chance of beating Nadal on clay.  He
could've blown away Nadal in MC and Hamburg if he had served better.

 
 
 

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by Robert Pickto » Wed, 21 May 2008 04:26:01


Quote:
> 1. He must mix up his backhand, throw in a few more slices on his
> ground game and return of serve. He tries to do too much with his
> one-handed topspin backhand

> 2. He needs a serve and volley coach,because he seems to come in at
> the wrong time or not at all.The coach must not be a lefty or clay
> court player.

> 3. He needs to work on his Can Opener serve on the deuce court Sampras
> and Mac used it very well

> 4. He needs to learn how to serve to a lefty. He seems to serve mostly
> to Nadal's forehand,yet Nadal serves mainly to Fed's backhand

> Fed stands too close to the center service mark in the deuce court and
> too far from the service mark in the add court when playing Nadal (
> this is a basic tactical mistake) against a lefty.

> 5. If Fed thinks he is going to win from the baseline alone as time
> moves on he's fooling himself

> 6. If he thinks he is going to out hit any of to-days players with his
> one handed topspin backhand from the baseline he's fooling himself

7. A sharp Knife.
 
 
 

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by TennisGu » Wed, 21 May 2008 04:40:57

On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT), Arietta

Quote:

>I agree mostly.  I think he needs to work on improving his first serve
>percentage, especially on crucial points.  He needs at least 65-70%
>hard first serves to have any chance of beating Nadal on clay.  He
>could've blown away Nadal in MC and Hamburg if he had served better.

 Very true.

I didn't get to see the first set and a half of the Hamburg final, but
from what I did see and what I saw of MC, Fed could have won by many
different ways.

One way is what you have mentioned, bumping up his first serve
percentages.

Another way would be to cut down his huge amount of UE's!

 
 
 

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by Ariett » Wed, 21 May 2008 05:12:02


Quote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT), Arietta


> >I agree mostly. ?I think he needs to work on improving his first serve
> >percentage, especially on crucial points. ?He needs at least 65-70%
> >hard first serves to have any chance of beating Nadal on clay. ?He
> >could've blown away Nadal in MC and Hamburg if he had served better.

> ?Very true.

> I didn't get to see the first set and a half of the Hamburg final, but
> from what I did see and what I saw of MC, Fed could have won by many
> different ways.

> One way is what you have mentioned, bumping up his first serve
> percentages.

> Another way would be to cut down his huge amount of UE's!

His unusally high number of UEs is a result of his inability to handle
Nadal's topspin forehand to his backhand.  Since Nadal just demolishes
any short balls from Fed, he feels he needs to finish off the point
every chance he gets, hence the UEs.  I don't see how Fed can reduce
the amount of UEs while playing aggressively.  All he needs is
Samprasian first serves to get him out of trouble and close out a set
when he is up a break or two.  Easier said than done, but if anyone
could do it, it'd be Fed.  We all know Fed can break Nadal's serve
many times in a match.
 
 
 

Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

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Here is what Fed needs against Nadal

Post by Nightcrawle » Wed, 21 May 2008 06:41:24

On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT), Arietta

Quote:


>> 1. He must mix up his backhand, throw in a few more slices on his
>> ground game and return of serve. He tries to do too much with his
>> one-handed topspin backhand

>> 2. He needs a serve and volley coach,because he seems to come in at
>> the wrong time or not at all.The coach must not be a lefty or clay
>> court player.

>> 3. He needs to work on his Can Opener serve on the deuce court Sampras
>> and Mac used it very well

>> 4. He needs to learn how to serve to a lefty. He seems to serve mostly
>> to Nadal's forehand,yet Nadal serves mainly to Fed's backhand

>> Fed stands too close to the center service mark in the deuce court and
>> too far from the service mark in the add court when playing Nadal (
>> this is a basic tactical mistake) against a lefty.

>> 5. If Fed thinks he is going to win from the baseline alone as time
>> moves on he's fooling himself

>> 6. If he thinks he is going to out hit any of to-days players with his
>> one handed topspin backhand from the baseline he's fooling himself

>I agree mostly.  I think he needs to work on improving his first serve
>percentage, especially on crucial points.  He needs at least 65-70%
>hard first serves to have any chance of beating Nadal on clay.  He
>could've blown away Nadal in MC and Hamburg if he had served better.

Nightcrawler formerly noone

His percentage was low against Nadal becuse ---1.it's on clay and he
needs something extra and 2.He stubbornly serves to Nadal's forehand
for some reason,and he has to hit it harder or it will come flying
back.

I'm not as good as Fed but when I play a lefty I try and play their
backhands more and I move over a few more steps to the right of the
centre service line in the deuce court trying to serve wide to their
backhands.This is basic tennis,why does Fed not do this.

If Fed throws in a few more backhand slices on his groundstrokes once
in a while it will give him a chance to hit his reverse forehand
more.This how he started to finally beat Nalbandian.

Basically if Fed mixes up his game he should be able to beat Nadal on
clay at least part of the time.