Did Liu Guoliang Actually Dope?

Did Liu Guoliang Actually Dope?

Post by DamienEl » Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:33:48


I was just musing with a buddy the other day that Liu Guoliang hasn't
had any really good results, and his ranking has dropped, since he was
accuesed of doping. That accusation was made in '99, AFTER he won the
world championships. Ever since then, he lost two points to the
Swedish in the team championships, losing to Waldner, whom he had
never lost to. He only won one Pro Tour title prior to the end of the
38mm era. He won the bronze in Sydney, largely because of poor
competition. He never did anything with the 40mm, losing to Chiang
Peng Lung in the 1/4 finals in Osaka after facing BS competition.

Even though the charges were dropped, could he have really been
doping???

 
 
 

Did Liu Guoliang Actually Dope?

Post by FengYu » Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:00:56

larry larry, i'm eating your troll..

it had much to do with his style.  penholder, pips, close to table attack,
very good serves.  what happened was that Waldner and the swedish
team studied his serves really good and finally figured out some
sort of ways to 'read' them.  the 40mm balls ofcoz did hurt liu's
game probably much more than other top players.  also, i heard
ITTF banned the *** that he uses either before the 40mm ball change
or sometimes after, and that really did something to his game.

liu's game is much depended on his serving, once that part is taken away
he is no much stronger than any typical top pen holder pips players,
well, his backhand loop is somewhat surprising at first but not powerful
to rally like Wang Hao's.

Quote:

> I was just musing with a buddy the other day that Liu Guoliang hasn't
> had any really good results, and his ranking has dropped, since he was
> accuesed of doping. That accusation was made in '99, AFTER he won the
> world championships. Ever since then, he lost two points to the
> Swedish in the team championships, losing to Waldner, whom he had
> never lost to. He only won one Pro Tour title prior to the end of the
> 38mm era. He won the bronze in Sydney, largely because of poor
> competition. He never did anything with the 40mm, losing to Chiang
> Peng Lung in the 1/4 finals in Osaka after facing BS competition.
> Even though the charges were dropped, could he have really been
> doping???


 
 
 

Did Liu Guoliang Actually Dope?

Post by DamienEl » Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:28:28

Good points. I was just always surprised at how energetic and speedy
Liu Guoliang was in his prime. He was faster than Ma Lin, and stayed
extremely close to the table, closer than most penholders. But his
style is very physically demanding. He was extremely jumpy at the
table, unlike most players. Even Ma Lin, who has great footwork, was
not hopping around as much as Liu. Maybe I am just a little cynical.
Quote:

> larry larry, i'm eating your troll..

> it had much to do with his style.  penholder, pips, close to table attack,
> very good serves.  what happened was that Waldner and the swedish
> team studied his serves really good and finally figured out some
> sort of ways to 'read' them.  the 40mm balls ofcoz did hurt liu's
> game probably much more than other top players.  also, i heard
> ITTF banned the *** that he uses either before the 40mm ball change
> or sometimes after, and that really did something to his game.

> liu's game is much depended on his serving, once that part is taken away
> he is no much stronger than any typical top pen holder pips players,
> well, his backhand loop is somewhat surprising at first but not powerful
> to rally like Wang Hao's.


> > I was just musing with a buddy the other day that Liu Guoliang hasn't
> > had any really good results, and his ranking has dropped, since he was
> > accuesed of doping. That accusation was made in '99, AFTER he won the
> > world championships. Ever since then, he lost two points to the
> > Swedish in the team championships, losing to Waldner, whom he had
> > never lost to. He only won one Pro Tour title prior to the end of the
> > 38mm era. He won the bronze in Sydney, largely because of poor
> > competition. He never did anything with the 40mm, losing to Chiang
> > Peng Lung in the 1/4 finals in Osaka after facing BS competition.

> > Even though the charges were dropped, could he have really been
> > doping???