RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Hop » Sat, 15 May 2004 02:36:12


http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg...

I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by nemanja » Sat, 15 May 2004 05:06:36

On 13/5/04 1:36 PM, in article


Quote:
> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg...
> aA--?slug=ap-frenchopen&prov=ap&type=lgns

> I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

Martina needs to let the singles thing go. She's taking a spot in the draw
away from some more deserving girls who need it much more than she. It's
just selfish.

Nemanja

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Yama » Sat, 15 May 2004 08:22:28


Quote:
> Martina needs to let the singles thing go. She's taking a spot in the draw
> away from some more deserving girls who need it much more than she. It's
> just selfish.

Well, not according to official tournament line:
----
"She asked to play to celebrate the 20th anniversary of her last win," said
tournament official Stephane Simian.

Simian said it would have been hard to turn down the request from arguably
women's tennis' greatest player.

"It seemed to us that given her past record and her current level of play,
since she's still competitive in doubles, she deserved a wildcard," he
added.

"We had no hesitation. It could have been a problem if she had taken
somebody else's place but it was not the case."
------

I don't get it. It's pretty obvious that she *is* taking someone else's
place. It's not like they made it a 129-draw.

Obviously most spectators will be happy to see a legend, but this just feels
bit of an ego-trip.

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Michael Lockhar » Sat, 15 May 2004 09:19:40


Quote:


> > Martina needs to let the singles thing go. She's taking a spot in the
draw
> > away from some more deserving girls who need it much more than she. It's
> > just selfish.

> Well, not according to official tournament line:
> ----
> "She asked to play to celebrate the 20th anniversary of her last win,"
said
> tournament official Stephane Simian.

> Simian said it would have been hard to turn down the request from arguably
> women's tennis' greatest player.

> "It seemed to us that given her past record and her current level of play,
> since she's still competitive in doubles, she deserved a wildcard," he
> added.

> "We had no hesitation. It could have been a problem if she had taken
> somebody else's place but it was not the case."
> ------

> I don't get it. It's pretty obvious that she *is* taking someone else's
> place. It's not like they made it a 129-draw.

They mean that almost all the places are "earned" by people being the top
players in the world.  The few remaining spots go to people who aren't in
the top 120 or so for some other reason.  As no one who earned a spot is
being removed, no one's spot is being taken.  Yes, theoretically someone
else could take the non-reserved spot instead of her, but no one earned it
only to have her take it from them.

Quote:
> Obviously most spectators will be happy to see a legend, but this just
feels
> bit of an ego-trip.

Although she'll almost certainly lose, I see nothing wrong with it.  It's
one match, and some people will be able to see her play who never did.

Michael

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Gordon Camer » Sat, 15 May 2004 10:02:29

Quote:

> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg...

> I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

If she's playing RG singles, surely she's going to do Wimbledon where
her chances would be better?
 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Ted of Ted's Tenni » Sat, 15 May 2004 13:06:53



Quote:
> I don't get it. It's pretty obvious that she *is* taking someone else's
> place. It's not like they made it a 129-draw.

Except that the spot she's getting is one of the French WC players.  
Sophie Erre?  Ana?s Laurendon?  Camille Pin?

--
Ted Schuerzinger
http://tedstennis.tripod.com/index.html
An infallible method of conciliating a tiger is to allow oneself to be
devoured. -- Konrad Adenauer

 
 
 

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Post by big ben » Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:13

Quote:

> I don't get it. It's pretty obvious that she *is* taking someone else's
> place. It's not like they made it a 129-draw.

> Obviously most spectators will be happy to see a legend, but this just feels
> bit of an ego-trip.

but who would make a bigger contribution to the viability of tennis at
the present time, navratilova, or some unknown player?

particularly with this being navratilova's last year of playing any kind
of tennis, her match will draw a great deal of attention - to her match
and to tennis in general.  some unknown local player inserted in the
wild card slot would come and go without notice.

i might also say that from what i could tell about her match against
frazier that navratilova appeared to play a credible match.  she had a
number of break points but converted on a relatively low percentage of
them.  that would suggest to me that she wasn't exactly blown off the
court.  so navratilova might do ok against a qualifier in the first
round (even though i would still expect her to lose).

of course, the problem with navratilova being a wild card entry is that
there is the possibility that she could draw a high seed in the first
round.  i guarantee that the organizers of the french open are crossing
their fingers hoping that such does not happen.

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Yama » Sat, 15 May 2004 21:45:19



Quote:


> > I don't get it. It's pretty obvious that she *is* taking someone else's
> > place. It's not like they made it a 129-draw.

> Except that the spot she's getting is one of the French WC players.
> Sophie Erre?  Ana?s Laurendon?  Camille Pin?

Any of them deserve it more than Navratilova who doesn't need a) ranking
points (as she is not seriously pursuing her singles career) b) prize money.
 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Robert B. Walt » Sat, 15 May 2004 22:06:25


Quote:


> > I don't get it. It's pretty obvious that she *is* taking someone else's
> > place. It's not like they made it a 129-draw.

> Except that the spot she's getting is one of the French WC players.  
> Sophie Erre?  Ana?s Laurendon?  Camille Pin?

Actually, Pin probably *does* deserve a wildcard. She's having
the best year of her career by far. (And she might even bring
in some spectators for her looks.) Of course, she's now at
the *top* of the likely wildcard list, so she isn't really
at issue. Your point is valid: the player who would otherwise
have gotten Navratilova's wildcard probably isn't any better
than Navratilova.

In a way, it might even be better for her if she doesn't
get the wildcard. She might be encouraged to go out and get
a job she can actually do. Cruel but true.

--
Must a government, of necessity, be too strong for the liberties of
its own people, or too weak to maintain its own existence?
                    -- Abraham Lincoln

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by wen.. » Sun, 16 May 2004 00:23:46


Quote:

> On 13/5/04 1:36 PM, in article



> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg0BH
> NlYwN0
> > aA--?slug=ap-frenchopen&prov=ap&type=lgns

> > I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

> Martina needs to let the singles thing go. She's taking a spot in the
> draw
> away from some more deserving girls who need it much more than she. It's
> just selfish.

Well, considering that there are already extra spots open to deserving
young players because of the injury withdrawals, what the heck? MN is
trying her best to qualify for the Olympics in doubles this year -- she's
said she's playing singles to help her doubles. She's not getting wiped
out 0 and 0 or anything, even if she is losing to players (Frazier) she
used to beat.

wg

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by wen.. » Sun, 16 May 2004 00:23:46


Quote:



> http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg0BH
> NlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-frenchopen&prov=ap&type=lgns

> > I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

> If she's playing RG singles, surely she's going to do Wimbledon where
> her chances would be better?

She's definitely asked to play singles at Eastbourne. Don't know about
Wimbledon. But if she asks, I'll be amazed if they don't let her in.

Plus, you know, she's been playing very solid doubles the last few years
-- she won six titles last year IIRC, most of them with Kuznetsova, and is
ranked 7 (although her partnership with Raymond is not working out
particularly well). She *is* playing seriously. It's not like she's been
watching TV for the last ten years and suddenly wandered in and said, "Oh,
hey, that looks like fun."

wg

 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by ImHu » Sun, 16 May 2004 00:28:41

Quote:


> > http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg...

> > I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

> If she's playing RG singles, surely she's going to do Wimbledon where
> her chances would be better?

She would certainly be more viable at Wimbledon, and also more
deserving of the WC.  The drubbing that she is almost certain to take
at the French may convince her to give up singles altogether. I'm
surprised she is doing this actually--could be really ugly.  On
balance, I am for MN playing the French if she wants.  It is the most
boring GS and whoever's place she is taking would probably only be
interesting to her immediate family. Not many players from throughout
history would be worthy of this consideration, and it should only be a
one time deal.
 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Whispe » Sat, 15 May 2004 17:03:52



http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg...

Quote:

> > I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

> If she's playing RG singles, surely she's going to do Wimbledon where
> her chances would be better?

Yes, she always used FO to groove her groundies for Wimbledon.  Her
serve-volley game never needed tuning....
 
 
 

RG singles - MN yes (!?), Seles no

Post by Whispe » Sat, 15 May 2004 16:36:49


Quote:
> On 13/5/04 1:36 PM, in article



http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg...

Quote:
> > aA--?slug=ap-frenchopen&prov=ap&type=lgns

> > I'm sorry, MN in singles is bogus.  Too bad for Seles.

> Martina needs to let the singles thing go. She's taking a spot in the draw
> away from some more deserving girls who need it much more than she. It's
> just selfish.

> Nemanja

Don't be a retard.  Most of those 'deserving' girls haven't got a hope in
hell anyway, & MN will attract way more paying spectators....