'The man who made Nadal'

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by topspi » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:41:16


There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
for when it does appear.
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by topspi » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:44:46


Quote:
> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
> for when it does appear.

Here is the link...

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Whispe » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:33:04

Quote:


>> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
>> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
>> for when it does appear.

> Here is the link...

> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

This bit is interesting;

"Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a bit
of a genius.  The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger (for a
right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea?  I'd say it
could be quite common in 10 yrs.

 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by gregor.. » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:39:08


Quote:


> >> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
> >> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
> >> for when it does appear.

> > Here is the link...

> >http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

> This bit is interesting;

> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
> most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
> left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
> would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
> double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a bit
> of a genius. ?The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger (for a
> right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea? ?I'd say it
> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

Playing left-handed is a big advantage for Nadal. He gets to play
right-handers all the time, while they only play lefties now and again
and so have to change their game when they play him.
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by topspi » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:08:52


Quote:


> >> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
> >> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
> >> for when it does appear.

> > Here is the link...

> >http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

> This bit is interesting;

> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
> most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
> left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
> would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
> double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a bit
> of a genius. ?The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger (for a
> right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea? ?I'd say it
> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

Hardly genius, more like sensible. Anyone involved in competitive
sport knows that lefties have an advantage because their game is
unusual to an opponent, while they meet righties all the time. If you
are coaching someone and they show signs they could be equally adept
right or left-handed, you would always encourage going left.

It looks like the advantage Nadal has is that either side could be as
strong, but in my experience the disadvantage is that the brain has to
decide which way to go. So it is less instinctive than being
'naturally' left or right sided. There has to be a lot of drilling to
get the brain patterns to react instinctively and diminish any
instinct to, say, swap hands and hit forehands both sides. It may
explain why he is more comfortable playing from deep - it gives his
brain milliseconds more time to decide how to react.

 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Whispe » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:14:15

Quote:




>>>> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
>>>> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
>>>> for when it does appear.
>>> Here is the link...
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...
>> This bit is interesting;

>> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
>> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
>> most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
>> left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
>> would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
>> double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

>> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a bit
>> of a genius.  The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger (for a
>> right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

>> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea?  I'd say it
>> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

> Hardly genius, more like sensible. Anyone involved in competitive
> sport knows that lefties have an advantage because their game is
> unusual to an opponent, while they meet righties all the time.
> If you are coaching someone and they show signs they could be equally adept
> right or left-handed, you would always encourage going left.

Sure, lefties have always had that advantage - but how many righties
actually play lefty?  I only know of Rafa.

The genius bit is reasoning his bh would be stronger.  He could only see
the positives but I think the natural inclination would be to think of
all the pitfalls changing from your natural hand.

Quote:

> It looks like the advantage Nadal has is that either side could be as
> strong, but in my experience the disadvantage is that the brain has to
> decide which way to go. So it is less instinctive than being
> 'naturally' left or right sided. There has to be a lot of drilling to
> get the brain patterns to react instinctively and diminish any
> instinct to, say, swap hands and hit forehands both sides. It may
> explain why he is more comfortable playing from deep - it gives his
> brain milliseconds more time to decide how to react.

I wonder how he woulda turned out playing right handed?
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by TT » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:44:49

Quote:





>>>>> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
>>>>> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
>>>>> for when it does appear.
>>>> Here is the link...
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

>>> This bit is interesting;

>>> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
>>> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
>>> most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
>>> left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
>>> would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
>>> double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

>>> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a bit
>>> of a genius.  The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger (for a
>>> right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

>>> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea?  I'd say it
>>> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

>> Hardly genius, more like sensible. Anyone involved in competitive
>> sport knows that lefties have an advantage because their game is
>> unusual to an opponent, while they meet righties all the time. If you
>> are coaching someone and they show signs they could be equally adept
>> right or left-handed, you would always encourage going left.

> Sure, lefties have always had that advantage - but how many righties
> actually play lefty?  I only know of Rafa.

> The genius bit is reasoning his bh would be stronger.  He could only see
> the positives but I think the natural inclination would be to think of
> all the pitfalls changing from your natural hand.

>> It looks like the advantage Nadal has is that either side could be as
>> strong, but in my experience the disadvantage is that the brain has to
>> decide which way to go. So it is less instinctive than being
>> 'naturally' left or right sided. There has to be a lot of drilling to
>> get the brain patterns to react instinctively and diminish any
>> instinct to, say, swap hands and hit forehands both sides. It may
>> explain why he is more comfortable playing from deep - it gives his
>> brain milliseconds more time to decide how to react.

> I wonder how he woulda turned out playing right handed?

His career record against lefties is 41-3...an incredible win% of 93.2
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:47:14

Quote:

> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
> for when it does appear.

I thought I saw that yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

--
Cheers,

vc

 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:56:03

Quote:



>>> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
>>> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
>>> for when it does appear.

>> Here is the link...

>> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

> This bit is interesting;

> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
> most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
> left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
> would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
> double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a bit
> of a genius.  The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger (for a
> right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea?  I'd say it
> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

I doubt it.

Most who try it will never make it past the learner ranks.

This switch might account for Nadal's ace stats. He doesn't seem to have
a natural service motion and has trouble generating pace routinely.

--
Cheers,

vc

 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Whispe » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:09:40

Quote:




>>>> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
>>>> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
>>>> for when it does appear.

>>> Here is the link...

>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

>> This bit is interesting;

>> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
>> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He did
>> most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try playing
>> left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing "lefties", which
>> would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned that Rafael's
>> double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong right hand."

>> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a
>> bit of a genius.  The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger
>> (for a right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

>> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea?  I'd say it
>> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

> I doubt it.

> Most who try it will never make it past the learner ranks.

But with Rafa as the example of what's possible I think there will be a
few on tour persisting with it.  At this level any little advantage
could pay big dividends.
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:18:35

Quote:





>>>>> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
>>>>> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
>>>>> for when it does appear.

>>>> Here is the link...

>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/the-man-who-made-nadal-1706...

>>> This bit is interesting;

>>> "Arguably the biggest turning point came when Rafael was only eight.
>>> Until then he had always hit the ball two-handed on both sides. He
>>> did most things right-handed, but Toni suggested he should try
>>> playing left-handed. Most right-handers do not like playing
>>> "lefties", which would be one advantage, while Toni also reasoned
>>> that Rafael's double-handed backhand would benefit from his strong
>>> right hand."

>>> Either Toni is pretty dumb (& lucky) to come up with this idea, or a
>>> bit of a genius.  The idea of the right hand naturally being stronger
>>> (for a right hander) & helping his left handed bh makes sense.

>>> I wonder how many more juniors will now adopt this idea?  I'd say it
>>> could be quite common in 10 yrs.

>> I doubt it.

>> Most who try it will never make it past the learner ranks.

> But with Rafa as the example of what's possible I think there will be a
> few on tour persisting with it.  At this level any little advantage
> could pay big dividends.

As topspin pointed out, it may work to push ambidextrous kids into the
leftie bucket.

Nadal's ultra top spin forehand, strength, speed and grit have a lot to
do with his success too.

--
Cheers,

vc

 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by topspi » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:20:29


Quote:

> This switch might account for Nadal's ace stats. He doesn't seem to have
> a natural service motion and has trouble generating pace routinely.

> --
> Cheers,

> vc

That was my thought too.
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Alaska Rock » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:30:00


Quote:
> There is a very nice article about Nadal and Uncle Toni in today's
> Independent newspaper. Not up on the net yet, but worth looking out
> for when it does appear.

Uncle Toni may have made Nadal but he is also the one who is
destroying him. I do not believe that if Uncle Toni would push him to
play so many tournaments if he understood the punishment Nadals knees
are taking.
Uncle Toni:
1) Idiot
2) Money hungry
3) Glory hungry
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Whispe » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:41:59

Quote:


>> This switch might account for Nadal's ace stats. He doesn't seem to have
>> a natural service motion and has trouble generating pace routinely.

>> --
>> Cheers,

>> vc

> That was my thought too.

What he loses on serve he more than makes up on having a stronger bh
than 'normal' players.  He's still right handed for everything outside
tennis so has that strong right arm as a foundation for his bh -
explains why he has such great feel on that side & rarely misses.
 
 
 

'The man who made Nadal'

Post by Superdav » Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:47:38



Quote:


>>> This switch might account for Nadal's ace stats. He doesn't seem to have
>>> a natural service motion and has trouble generating pace routinely.

>>> --
>>> Cheers,

>>> vc

>> That was my thought too.

>What he loses on serve he more than makes up on having a stronger bh
>than 'normal' players.  He's still right handed for everything outside
>tennis so has that strong right arm as a foundation for his bh -
>explains why he has such great feel on that side & rarely misses.

could also explain why he picks his ass no ?