Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by jason-cat.. » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:27:28


I think there's a reasonable comparison to be made between these two.

Both are 6"6 or thereabouts and both extremely solid and technically
sound ball strikers.

Clearly Todd's serve and net play were much, much better than what Del
Potro's are now, but considering Juan's just 19 years old, with a lot
of work and good coaching I can't see any reason why he can't catch
up in those areas.

In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
exact - and my reasoning is this:
he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
the horrendously bad fortune of playing
two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
Del Potro can have better luck. Secondly, I like Del Potro's attitude
better. He seems like a guy who's got more of a killer instinct,
someone who looks like he's out to get his share of what the tennis
world has to offer him. Todd was basically the ATP's resident
intellectual, a Northwestern grad who wanted most to be a college
professor. Obviously the low point of his career was that loss in the
semis of W to Washington. I remember my dad said about that match that
"it looked like he was just waiting around for something bad to
happen." If Del P has more of a carpe diem mentality and avoids
playing all-time greats in Slam finals, I think he'll end up with the
better career.

 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by ghell66 » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:49:18


Quote:
> I think there's a reasonable comparison to be made between these two.

> Both are 6"6 or thereabouts and both extremely solid and technically
> sound ball strikers.

> Clearly Todd's serve and net play were much, much better than what Del
> Potro's are now, but considering Juan's just 19 years old, with a lot
> of work and good coaching I can't see any reason why he can't catch
> up in those areas.

> In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
> exact - and my reasoning is this:
> he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
> the horrendously bad fortune of playing
> two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
> Del Potro can have better luck. Secondly, I like Del Potro's attitude
> better. He seems like a guy who's got more of a killer instinct,
> someone who looks like he's out to get his share of what the tennis
> world has to offer him. Todd was basically the ATP's resident
> intellectual, a Northwestern grad who wanted most to be a college
> professor. Obviously the low point of his career was that loss in the
> semis of W to Washington. I remember my dad said about that match that
> "it looked like he was just waiting around for something bad to
> happen." If Del P has more of a carpe diem mentality and avoids
> playing all-time greats in Slam finals, I think he'll end up with the
> better career.

great another todd martin.. thats all we need

 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by Roger Tha » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:54:58

Quote:

> great another todd martin.. thats all we need

What we need, is a Galo Blanco or (better) a George Bastl.

 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by RahimAsi » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:02:31


Quote:
> I think there's a reasonable comparison to be made between these two.

> Both are 6"6 or thereabouts and both extremely solid and technically
> sound ball strikers.

> Clearly Todd's serve and net play were much, much better than what Del
> Potro's are now, but considering Juan's just 19 years old, with a lot
> of work and good coaching I can't see any reason why he can't catch
> up in those areas.

> In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
> exact - and my reasoning is this:
> he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
> the horrendously bad fortune of playing
> two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
> Del Potro can have better luck. Secondly, I like Del Potro's attitude
> better. He seems like a guy who's got more of a killer instinct,
> someone who looks like he's out to get his share of what the tennis
> world has to offer him. Todd was basically the ATP's resident
> intellectual, a Northwestern grad who wanted most to be a college
> professor. Obviously the low point of his career was that loss in the
> semis of W to Washington. I remember my dad said about that match that
> "it looked like he was just waiting around for something bad to
> happen." If Del P has more of a carpe diem mentality and avoids
> playing all-time greats in Slam finals, I think he'll end up with the
> better career.

Del Potro has improved in leaps and bounds since last year - I
remember watching him against Fed at W last year and thinking that
there was hardly anything special about him, but when I saw him
earlier this year at French and Wim he seemed to be a guy with genuine
weapons and great future - so his recent success is hardly surprising.
I also expect him to have good career - but probably not 4 slams, I
would go for 1/2 slams, his serve needs to improve massively for him
to achieve the 4 slam mark but as you said with his height and age,
certainly possible.
 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by jason-cat.. » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:13:40


Quote:

> > I think there's a reasonable comparison to be made between these two.

> > Both are 6"6 or thereabouts and both extremely solid and technically
> > sound ball strikers.

> > Clearly Todd's serve and net play were much, much better than what Del
> > Potro's are now, but considering Juan's just 19 years old, with a lot
> > of work and good coaching I can't see any reason why he can't catch
> > up in those areas.

> > In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
> > exact - and my reasoning is this:
> > he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
> > the horrendously bad fortune of playing
> > two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
> > Del Potro can have better luck. Secondly, I like Del Potro's attitude
> > better. He seems like a guy who's got more of a killer instinct,
> > someone who looks like he's out to get his share of what the tennis
> > world has to offer him. Todd was basically the ATP's resident
> > intellectual, a Northwestern grad who wanted most to be a college
> > professor. Obviously the low point of his career was that loss in the
> > semis of W to Washington. I remember my dad said about that match that
> > "it looked like he was just waiting around for something bad to
> > happen." If Del P has more of a carpe diem mentality and avoids
> > playing all-time greats in Slam finals, I think he'll end up with the
> > better career.

> Del Potro has improved in leaps and bounds since last year - I
> remember watching him against Fed at W last year and thinking that
> there was hardly anything special about him, but when I saw him
> earlier this year at French and Wim he seemed to be a guy with genuine
> weapons and great future - so his recent success is hardly surprising.
> I also expect him to have good career - but probably not 4 slams, I
> would go for 1/2 slams, his serve needs to improve massively for him
> to achieve the 4 slam mark but as you said with his height and age,
> certainly possible.-

Yes, you're probably right that 4 is a bit of a stretch. It'll all
depend on who emerges in
the next few years and how big of a serve Del P can develop. He should
be able to (and will have to)
develop a MUCH bigger serve than even Djokovic to have any chance to
compete with Rafa/Novak/Murray, etc.

The thing is I watch him wind up and it looks like "ok, here comes a
140 mph ace right up the T" but then it almost never happens.

 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by TJT » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:18:54

Perhaps the next Dean Martin?

--
"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two impostors
just the same"

 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by ghell66 » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:27:58


Quote:

> > great another todd martin.. thats all we need

> What we need, is a Galo Blanco or (better) a George Bastl.

I'd pick Horst Skoff but hes dead ...
 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by Sakari Lun » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:53:13



Quote:
>In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
>exact - and my reasoning is this:
>he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
>the horrendously bad fortune of playing
>two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
>Del Potro can have better luck.

Nadal all the time?
 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by jason-cat.. » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:55:09


Quote:


> >In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
> >exact - and my reasoning is this:
> >he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
> >the horrendously bad fortune of playing
> >two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
> >Del Potro can have better luck.

> Nadal all the time?

I think by the time Del P is ready to challenge for a Slam Rafa will
be slipping.
 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by undecide » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:23:17


Quote:

> > I think there's a reasonable comparison to be made between these two.

> > Both are 6"6 or thereabouts and both extremely solid and technically
> > sound ball strikers.

> > Clearly Todd's serve and net play were much, much better than what Del
> > Potro's are now, but considering Juan's just 19 years old, with a lot
> > of work and good coaching I can't see any reason why he can't catch
> > up in those areas.

> > In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
> > exact - and my reasoning is this:
> > he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
> > the horrendously bad fortune of playing
> > two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
> > Del Potro can have better luck. Secondly, I like Del Potro's attitude
> > better. He seems like a guy who's got more of a killer instinct,
> > someone who looks like he's out to get his share of what the tennis
> > world has to offer him. Todd was basically the ATP's resident
> > intellectual, a Northwestern grad who wanted most to be a college
> > professor. Obviously the low point of his career was that loss in the
> > semis of W to Washington. I remember my dad said about that match that
> > "it looked like he was just waiting around for something bad to
> > happen." If Del P has more of a carpe diem mentality and avoids
> > playing all-time greats in Slam finals, I think he'll end up with the
> > better career.

> great another todd martin.. thats all we need- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

I actually liked todd martin's game. An all-around good player. He
came up against two-all time greats in Sampras and Agassi.
 
 
 

Juan Martin the next Todd Martin?

Post by Joe Ramire » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:43:14


Quote:
> I think there's a reasonable comparison to be made between these two.

> Both are 6"6 or thereabouts and both extremely solid and technically
> sound ball strikers.

> Clearly Todd's serve and net play were much, much better than what Del
> Potro's are now, but considering Juan's just 19 years old, with a lot
> of work and good coaching I can't see any reason why he can't catch
> up in those areas.

> In Hops' survey, I've picked Del Potro to win a few Slams - four to be
> exact - and my reasoning is this:
> he can be just as good as Martin, but with two advantages: Todd had
> the horrendously bad fortune of playing
> two of the greats of the Open Era in his two Slam finals. I'm guessing
> Del Potro can have better luck. Secondly, I like Del Potro's attitude
> better. He seems like a guy who's got more of a killer instinct,
> someone who looks like he's out to get his share of what the tennis
> world has to offer him. Todd was basically the ATP's resident
> intellectual, a Northwestern grad who wanted most to be a college
> professor. Obviously the low point of his career was that loss in the
> semis of W to Washington. I remember my dad said about that match that
> "it looked like he was just waiting around for something bad to
> happen." If Del P has more of a carpe diem mentality and avoids
> playing all-time greats in Slam finals, I think he'll end up with the
> better career.

I think it would be good for tennis if Del Potro could win some slams;
South America could use a worthy champion. They haven't had a good
slam winner since Kuerten (Gaudio was a fluke, and of course
Nalbandian remains an underachiever), and haven't had a non-clay slam
champion since Vilas won the Australian.

Del Potro could also break the "big guy" curse that seems to afflict
really tall players who at first seem to have lots of promise, but
then fade away after only limted accomplishments.

Joe Ramirez