Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by wkhed » Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:52:29


It seems that Comcast sends MV protection signal in its analog
channels!

Put the timer to record Federer's match, it started recording and
stopped after 1 3/4 hrs giving me "protected input source". Checked
what this means, and found that the DVD recorder stopped because it was
sent "MV protection" signal.

It seems it's happening either as a random event, or intentionally to
annoy viewers trying to record TV shows!

There was a hacked firmware for my dvd recorder that I had no plans to
install before, but now it seems I will do it anyway!

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by Nate » Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:48:26

while you'r at it, don't forget to record that part (third set 3-0)
where Federer refused to allow a challenge from Clement saying it was
time for a changeover. That will be a good piece of Federer
sportsmanship you will have for your records ;-).

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by wkhed » Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:00:53

You mean he decided to challenge after an hour of that ball and Federer
and he were already changing over :)

This was funny! Clement was acting like a clown!

Also the final word gets decided by the chair umpire not Federer!

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by X » Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:23:46

Don't blame the cable companies. they are being forced to do this shit
because of hollywood. the ***s in congress. and your local state
officials. and their's going to be a big revolt against this when more
and more people realize they can't record their favorite programs any
more. we are paying a shit load of money for cable tv. this shit thats
happening is unreal! their are now 2 mv signals cable companies are
using. one that doesn't let you record a whole program. the 2nd one lets
you record the program. but won't let you copy it because of mv embedded
in the recording from the signal. no way to get around this once its
part of your recording. if you don't believe it. i challenge anyone to
try and defeat it using some mv device on the market. your lucky if you
don't have this problem yet with your cable tv provider. but its right
around the corner.
 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by David Henr » Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:40:49


Quote:
> Don't blame the cable companies. they are being forced to do this shit
> because of hollywood. the ***s in congress. and your local state
> officials. and their's going to be a big revolt against this when more
> and more people realize they can't record their favorite programs any
> more. we are paying a shit load of money for cable tv. this shit thats
> happening is unreal! their are now 2 mv signals cable companies are
> using. one that doesn't let you record a whole program. the 2nd one lets
> you record the program. but won't let you copy it because of mv embedded
> in the recording from the signal. no way to get around this once its
> part of your recording. if you don't believe it. i challenge anyone to
> try and defeat it using some mv device on the market. your lucky if you
> don't have this problem yet with your cable tv provider. but its right
> around the corner.

I have a Panasonic DVR and they mention this becoming the norm in the
future. I haven't experienced anything yet, but I'll be pissed when I do.
It's silly not to be able to record something on your own TV.

Right now, I record to the Comcast DVR, play it back and record to my
Panasonic DVR to edit. Try something like that and see if you're able to
circumvent.

Dave

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by tobi » Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:20:46



Quote:
> Don't blame the cable companies. they are being forced to do this shit
> because of hollywood. the ***s in congress. and your local state
> officials. and their's going to be a big revolt against this when more
> and more people realize they can't record their favorite programs any
> more. we are paying a shit load of money for cable tv. this shit thats
> happening is unreal! their are now 2 mv signals cable companies are
> using. one that doesn't let you record a whole program. the 2nd one lets
> you record the program. but won't let you copy it because of mv embedded
> in the recording from the signal. no way to get around this once its
> part of your recording. if you don't believe it. i challenge anyone to
> try and defeat it using some mv device on the market. your lucky if you
> don't have this problem yet with your cable tv provider. but its right
> around the corner.

The analog signal shouldn't be affected by this, of course the quality
would suffer a bit.
 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by mimu » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:14:45

Quote:



>> Don't blame the cable companies. they are being forced to do this shit
>> because of hollywood. the ***s in congress. and your local state
>> officials. and their's going to be a big revolt against this when more
>> and more people realize they can't record their favorite programs any
>> more. we are paying a shit load of money for cable tv. this shit thats
>> happening is unreal! their are now 2 mv signals cable companies are
>> using. one that doesn't let you record a whole program. the 2nd one lets
>> you record the program. but won't let you copy it because of mv embedded
>> in the recording from the signal. no way to get around this once its
>> part of your recording. if you don't believe it. i challenge anyone to
>> try and defeat it using some mv device on the market. your lucky if you
>> don't have this problem yet with your cable tv provider. but its right
>> around the corner.

> The analog signal shouldn't be affected by this, of course the quality
> would suffer a bit.

If the poop on the signals is out there, and it will be sooner or later,
and it's a recorded digital file or set of files that's in question, and
you've got a nice freeware C compiler and environment like Dev-C, it
shouldn't be too hard to write a little freeware utility to strip or undo
such thingies, and I'm surprised there's not several already floating
around, even before the anticopying technology's already fully implemented
. . . .

--

Take a deep breath, take a walk, cool off, plot a bit, and serve again.

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by Nate » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:14:19

Quote:

> You mean he decided to challenge after an hour of that ball and Federer
> and he were already changing over :)

> This was funny! Clement was acting like a clown!

Clement didn't act. He just asked for a challenge.

Federer on the other hand was a picture of class with that constiapted
frown on his face!

Quote:
> Also the final word gets decided by the chair umpire not Federer!

Top players bully the spineless umps... happens all the time.
 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:29:35

Quote:


>>You mean he decided to challenge after an hour of that ball and Federer
>>and he were already changing over :)

>>This was funny! Clement was acting like a clown!

> Clement didn't act. He just asked for a challenge.

> Federer on the other hand was a picture of class with that constiapted
> frown on his face!

>>Also the final word gets decided by the chair umpire not Federer!

> Top players bully the spineless umps... happens all the time.

I hear Nadal wants to challenge a call from last year's Miami final.
Should we let him?

Cheers,

vc ;-)

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by Nate » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:33:16

there was a call thatdid go against him last year, the one they show in
highlights.
But you'r being only partially truthful Vari, he's not asking for a
challenge.
 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by Vari L. Cinick » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:52:39

Quote:

> there was a call thatdid go against him last year, the one they show in
> highlights.
> But you'r being only partially truthful Vari, he's not asking for a
> challenge.

The point is the statute of limitations on challenges! Once the few
seconds for a challenge have passed, the option is not available. The
umpires need to enforce that firmly. :-)

Cheers,

vc

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by wkhed » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:52:37

Did you see how fast Federer requested his challenges?
You don't like the call, you ask for the challenege immediatly, you
don't stand there smiling like a jerk interrupting the match and the
opponent!
This is not a TV or crowd show, it's a chance or two to correct two
calls you are sure they are wrong!

I'm sure new regulations will be given to the umpires very soon, to
stop jerking the system, like only five to ten seconds are allowed to
request the challenge, no player is allowed to walk to the net to check
for marks on the other court then request the challenge, etc.

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by wen.. » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:54:05


Quote:

> It seems that Comcast sends MV protection signal in its analog
> channels!

Do you mean Macrovision?

wg

 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by wkhed » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:55:23

yes
 
 
 

Recording a tennis match and MV protection !!

Post by David Henr » Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:11:02


Quote:
> yes

If it's just simple Macrovision, DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter will handle
it -- if you can get the whole program recorded at least once to DVD. All
subsequent copies will be stripped.

Dave