U.S. Open 2011 hypothetical

U.S. Open 2011 hypothetical

Post by TennisGu » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:13:47


Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
who do you honestly think would have won the final?

Let's assume the two players kept their form for the match (didn't
raise it, nor lower it).

Of course we could never be sure, but then that's the case with 90% of
the posts here.
Try to put partisanship aside and just be honest.

 
 
 

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Post by TT » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:15:03

16.9.2011 1:13, TennisGuy kirjoitti:

Quote:
> Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
> Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

> Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
> and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
> who do you honestly think would have won the final?

> Let's assume the two players kept their form for the match (didn't
> raise it, nor lower it).

> Of course we could never be sure, but then that's the case with 90% of
> the posts here.
> Try to put partisanship aside and just be honest.

Nadal would definitely had won. No partisanship.

 
 
 

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Post by David » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:26:09

Quote:

> Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
> Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

> Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
> and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
> who do you honestly think would have won the final?

Of all the slams, the US Open surface is Federer's best chance against Nadal. I
probably would have picked him to win.

 
 
 

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Post by Booge » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:33:13


Quote:

> > Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
> > Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

> > Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
> > and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
> > who do you honestly think would have won the final?

> Of all the slams, the US Open surface is Federer's best chance against Nadal. I
> probably would have picked him to win.

As much as I would love to say Federer, I think Nadal would have won
it given how he played on Monday and the matchup issues Fed has with
him.

I just noticed that you said given the form for the tournament (before
the final)... well based on that, I thnik Fed would have won since he
was playing better than Nadal up to the semis.  Nadal really stepped
it up for the final but it just wasn't good enough against Djokovic.

 
 
 

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Post by Javier Gonzále » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:44:33


Quote:
> Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
> Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

> Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
> and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
> who do you honestly think would have won the final?

> Let's assume the two players kept their form for the match (didn't
> raise it, nor lower it).

> Of course we could never be sure, but then that's the case with 90% of
> the posts here.
> Try to put partisanship aside and just be honest.

Nadal would have been the most likely winner. At his peak he had
enough problems with the Nadal matchup. At his current level, the
advantages imparted by the surface would be negated and he'd be back
into the same old, same old.
 
 
 

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Post by felange » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:43:59

Quote:
> Of all the slams, the US Open surface is Federer's best chance against
> Nadal. I probably would have picked him to win.

I think Federer had the form to win it even against Nadal on the slowest
playing US Open surface I can remember....especially when you see how ***
Nadal served in the final. That is not to say he would have of course....but
it's all moot.....you gotta be in it to win it.
 
 
 

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Post by Vlad » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:44:37


Quote:
> Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
> Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

> Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
> and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
> who do you honestly think would have won the final?

> Let's assume the two players kept their form for the match (didn't
> raise it, nor lower it).

> Of course we could never be sure, but then that's the case with 90% of
> the posts here.
> Try to put partisanship aside and just be honest.

more fed ***ing, how original?
and of course Fed would be royally ***ed in the final.
 
 
 

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Post by SliceAndDic » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:52:40


Quote:

> > Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
> > Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

> > Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
> > and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
> > who do you honestly think would have won the final?

> > Let's assume the two players kept their form for the match (didn't
> > raise it, nor lower it).

> > Of course we could never be sure, but then that's the case with 90% of
> > the posts here.
> > Try to put partisanship aside and just be honest.

> more fed ***ing, how original?
> and of course Fed would be royally ***ed in the final.

Like he was royally ***ed in the semifinal?
 
 
 

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Post by TennisGu » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:07:48


Quote:
> Nadal would have been the most likely winner. At his peak he had
> enough problems with the Nadal matchup. At his current level, the
> advantages imparted by the surface would be negated and he'd be back
> into the same old, same old.

   I see it that way too.
Nadal was not playing badly at all during the final. His serves were
certainly below par and caused him grief (and long games) because of
that.
 
 
 

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Post by bob » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:14:21

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:13:47 -0700 (PDT), TennisGuy

Quote:

>Let's say Fed didn't lose those two match points against the Djoker.
>Let's say he won one of them and the match and went on to the final.

>Given Fed's form for the tournament and that Djoker match
>and given Nadal's form for the tournament and the Djoker final,
>who do you honestly think would have won the final?

>Let's assume the two players kept their form for the match (didn't
>raise it, nor lower it).

>Of course we could never be sure, but then that's the case with 90% of
>the posts here.
>Try to put partisanship aside and just be honest.

every fedfan says fed can't beat nadal because of matchup problem, but
i guess since it's only "hypothetical" we can "hypothetically" pretend
the matchup issues goes away for a day, eh? lol

bob

 
 
 

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Post by felange » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:31:16

Quote:
>every fedfan says fed can't beat nadal<

Links? I don't recall any Fedfan ever saying that. Didn't Fed beat Nadal in
the last important HC final they played?
 
 
 

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Post by bob » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:02:42

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:31:16 +0100, "felangey"

Quote:

>>every fedfan says fed can't beat nadal<

>Links? I don't recall any Fedfan ever saying that. Didn't Fed beat Nadal in
>the last important HC final they played?

don't recall, but i do know i've heard the "matchup issue" few
thousand times.

bob

 
 
 

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Post by David » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:12:41

Quote:

>> Of all the slams, the US Open surface is Federer's best chance
>> against Nadal. I probably would have picked him to win.

> I think Federer had the form to win it even against Nadal on the
> slowest playing US Open surface I can remember....

Can this type of surface be slowed down (I guess with a proportion of grit, like
AO Plexicushion), or do they use a ball that comes off slower?
 
 
 

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Post by felange » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:23:17

Quote:
> Can this type of surface be slowed down (I guess with a proportion of
> grit, like AO Plexicushion), or do they use a ball that comes off slower?

The blame seemed to be deflected from the Open team onto the court layers
this year...citing too much grit. My feeling is that they are using slower
balls too, but I hav enothing to back that up. Apparently the outer courts
that were used for qualies etc were a good deal faster due to grit wear than
the showcourts. It will be interested to see if the compensate with a slick
surface/fast ball combo next year - given how much flak they have takes.
Here's hoping! :)
 
 
 

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Post by Gracchu » Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:30:53


Quote:
> don't recall, but i do know i've heard the "matchup issue" few
> thousand times.

> bob

Matchup issues are obvious to most. You dismiss them in the case of
Federer-Nadal because it runs contrary to your agenda (oops, forgot
you don't have an agenda--you're neutral). Nobody says Fed can't beat
Nadal, because he has. But he is at a distinct disadvantage, and no,
it would not have gone away for a day, hypothetical or not.