Seles 1991 Capriati match

Seles 1991 Capriati match

Post by Flash4 » Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:00:00


Legend of the US Open this match was.  I watched it yesterday and was floored
at how fast Monica was !  She is now a ghost of what she was.  Geez.  She was
flying all over the court.  And her power and accuracy was brutal.  I truly
think if she was the player of 1991 now, Hingis would never win a set, and Graf
would have stayed #2.  Monica still could do it all, but she must get in
perfect shape and mentally decide to thrash all opponents all year long.
Jennifer is so sad to see her gone.  She was so good, and the only one who
could get in Monica's head during a match.  Oh well.  

 
 
 

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Post by Prip » Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Legend of the US Open this match was.  I watched it yesterday and was floored
> at how fast Monica was !  She is now a ghost of what she was.  Geez.  She was
> flying all over the court.  And her power and accuracy was brutal.  I truly
> think if she was the player of 1991 now, Hingis would never win a set, and
> Graf would have stayed #2.  Monica still could do it all, but she must get in
> perfect shape and mentally decide to thrash all opponents all year long.
> Jennifer is so sad to see her gone.  She was so good, and the only one who
> could get in Monica's head during a match.  Oh well.

Apparently Jennifer shed tears after that. Anyone would have, I guess.

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Post by Javier Woodhou » Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:00:00

: Legend of the US Open this match was.  I watched it yesterday and was floored
: at how fast Monica was !  She is now a ghost of what she was.  Geez.  She was
: flying all over the court.  And her power and accuracy was brutal.  I truly
: think if she was the player of 1991 now, Hingis would never win a set, and Graf
: would have stayed #2.  Monica still could do it all, but she must get in
: perfect shape and mentally decide to thrash all opponents all year long.
: Jennifer is so sad to see her gone.  She was so good, and the only one who
: could get in Monica's head during a match.  Oh well.  

I know, I watched that match when they showed it on TV at like 7am here in oz,
and have been trying to find a copy of it ever since...Despite her horrendous
hairstyle, Monica was incredible...She bashed everything to the lines and could
pick any shot up.

I red a comment on that match in that book "Ladies Of the Court" which says
that match was played by "axe ***ers", referring to the way they were
hitting the ball.  I believe the writer made a comment after Capriati had been
asked would she have done anything differently to win the match, and she said
"Yeah, I'd try to be more agressive..." -"How? Rip out the net post and brain
Monica over the head with it?"

Well I thought it was funny...amazing match...6-3 3-6 7-6 (7-3) as i recall?

 
 
 

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Post by j.. » Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


> : Legend of the US Open this match was.  I watched it yesterday and was
floored
> : at how fast Monica was !  She is now a ghost of what she was.  Geez.  She
was
> : flying all over the court.  And her power and accuracy was brutal.  I truly
> : think if she was the player of 1991 now, Hingis would never win a set, and
Graf
> : would have stayed #2.  Monica still could do it all, but she must get in
> : perfect shape and mentally decide to thrash all opponents all year long.
> : Jennifer is so sad to see her gone.  She was so good, and the only one who
> : could get in Monica's head during a match.  Oh well.

> I know, I watched that match when they showed it on TV at like 7am here in oz,
> and have been trying to find a copy of it ever since...Despite her horrendous
> hairstyle, Monica was incredible...She bashed everything to the lines and
could
> pick any shot up.

> I red a comment on that match in that book "Ladies Of the Court" which says
> that match was played by "axe ***ers", referring to the way they were
> hitting the ball.  I believe the writer made a comment after Capriati had been
> asked would she have done anything differently to win the match, and she said
> "Yeah, I'd try to be more agressive..." -"How? Rip out the net post and brain
> Monica over the head with it?"

> Well I thought it was funny...amazing match...6-3 3-6 7-6 (7-3) as i recall?

It is a fantastic match to watch, but it's been greatly over-rated as far
as the quality of tennis that was played. These two players played, and
still play, very similarly, and have a knack to feed off each others'
strengths. If you take away the intensity with which each player played,
as well as the crowd involvement, which I thought was phenomenal BTW, you
have a rather boring, one-dimensional slugfest similar to what we tend to
see so much off nowadays.

Hingis is of a different mold. She is comfortable doing almost anything
on the court and can quickly make you do what you're not very comfortable
doing. And we have seen how easily she can dismantle one-dimensional
players...

John

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Post by Javier Woodhou » Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:00:00

: It is a fantastic match to watch, but it's been greatly over-rated as far
: as the quality of tennis that was played. These two players played, and
: still play, very similarly, and have a knack to feed off each others'
: strengths. If you take away the intensity with which each player played,
: as well as the crowd involvement, which I thought was phenomenal BTW, you
: have a rather boring, one-dimensional slugfest similar to what we tend to
: see so much off nowadays.

You might be right there, but the thing is, a high quality slugfest is hard
to come across, even in women's tennis, where the serve does not dominate as
much as in men's tennis (which is a snore).  Any "one dimensional slugfest"
these days, like say, Huber/Majoli or Davenport/Pierce, tends to be peppered
with unforced errors all throughout.  The amazing thing about that match is
how hard both were hitting, how close to the lines they were hitting, and
how little errors were made.  

: Hingis is of a different mold. She is comfortable doing almost anything
: on the court and can quickly make you do what you're not very comfortable
: doing. And we have seen how easily she can dismantle one-dimensional
: players...

She might well be, but I find her style boring...I mean, it's great how she
can toy around with someone like Schultz or Neo-Seles and take apart games
that have been worked on for all their lives with what seems like little
effort, but it's not my cup of tea.  Personally, I like to see big hitters,
particularly when they are devastatingly accurate and ***thirsty, as
Seles and Capriati used to be in 90-91-92.

 
 
 

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Post by RLJone » Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>Hingis is of a different mold. She is comfortable doing almost anything
>on the court and can quickly make you do what you're not very comfortable
>doing. And we have seen how easily she can dismantle one-dimensional
>players...

Hingis is clearly an all-round talent that we have rarely if ever seen in
women's tennis.  While Seles may be considered one-dimensional, she was the
best at what she did.  I believe that in her prime she would have been too much
for Hingis to handle most of the time.  Seles had the great power, angles and
concentration as well as great instincts for playing points.  She was never
prone to flaking out and becoming distracted as I believe Hingis is.  It is too
bad that her current level of non-fitness will not allow her to play at the
level she once did.  With that body, it is unlikely that she will return to her
former glory.  She has handled it well considering the grave injustice
inflicted upon her in her prime.  Hingis has a lot more to prove to me before I
would rank her above Seles.  First, she needs to be tested by a worthy rival.
I hope Graf still has some gas in her tank.
 
 
 

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Post by AHopk » Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I second that emotion.  I too find Hingis' game to be very boring.  She neither
seems nor appears to be athletic, and her strokes are pushy, choppy, and ugly
looking things.  I like the big bashers, but the problem is that it is rare
when they can keep the ball in the court with any frequency.  Seles-Capriati
was an awe-inspiring match, because they COULD keep it
going--boom-Boom!-BOom!!-BOOm!!!-BOOM!!!!, and so forth.  

Not surprisingly, serve-and-volleyers ABSOLUTELY bore me.  IMHO short points
rarely allow any drama too build.  The most exciting tennis I saw this year, by
far, was the Muster-Bruguera Lipton final.  The extraordinary display of spin
and power was just awesome.  But this was not what made the match (at least the
first two sets) so incredible.  It was the fact that they were CONSITENTLY
producing long, exhausting, and viscious rallies.

I love clay-courters, Goran's flash, and savage, ***, athletic-looking (a
la' Bruguera--tied for my favorite with Goran, by the way) strokes.  Sampras'
strokes are just too graceful to enjoy.  Chang's are just too conservative
looking.  

Agree?  Disagree?  Comments?

 
 
 

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Post by sam » Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>It is a fantastic match to watch, but it's been greatly over-rated as far
>as the quality of tennis that was played. These two players played, and
>still play, very similarly, and have a knack to feed off each others'
>strengths. If you take away the intensity with which each player played,
>as well as the crowd involvement, which I thought was phenomenal BTW, you
>have a rather boring, one-dimensional slugfest similar to what we tend to
>see so much off nowadays.

>Hingis is of a different mold. She is comfortable doing almost anything
>on the court and can quickly make you do what you're not very comfortable
>doing. And we have seen how easily she can dismantle one-dimensional
>players...

>John

OVER-RATED??  Don't think so.  Nothing against Hingis, she may be the best
for a looooong time, but would you rather see a match of power or one of
volleys and net-rushes.  With Hingis' style, which she has practically
already mastered, is slow and effective.  You can't call it exciting.  Seles
was, and in some ways still is, the true definition of natural power on the
tour.  When she's on she hits is harder and faster than ANYONE.  When two
people are on like that (which at the time, only Capriati and Seles could
be), it is exciting.  Hardly over-rated.
 
 
 

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Post by sunn » Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:00:00

In my opinion, we need power-game in women's tennis to be exciting. That's
why despite Hingis' incredible talents, I don't find her matches exciting.
The best to watch are those of Seles and Graf - spectacular display of
sheer power and energy till the end. Their huge weapons are the main draw
of attention. In Graf-Seles matches especially, it's really weapon vs
weapon. In men's tennis, on the other hand, I prefer less power and more
variety of shots.

 
 
 

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Post by David Mande » Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>In my opinion, we need power-game in women's tennis to be exciting. That's
>why despite Hingis' incredible talents, I don't find her matches exciting.
>The best to watch are those of Seles and Graf - spectacular display of
>sheer power and energy till the end. Their huge weapons are the main draw
>of attention. In Graf-Seles matches especially, it's really weapon vs
>weapon. In men's tennis, on the other hand, I prefer less power and more
>variety of shots.

Last year in Austrailia Pierce played Hingis.
Pierce has vastly more power but Hingis
carved her up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
The players with power can't seem to keep
the ball on the court when it counts. It would
make the sport more interesting if a power player
can develop. Perhaps Venus Williams will be able
to do it. I think Lucic is the only other prospect.
 
 
 

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Post by Marsha Stro » Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>In my opinion, we need power-game in women's tennis to be exciting. That's
>why despite Hingis' incredible talents, I don't find her matches exciting.
>The best to watch are those of Seles and Graf - spectacular display of
>sheer power and energy till the end. Their huge weapons are the main draw
>of attention. In Graf-Seles matches especially, it's really weapon vs
>weapon. In men's tennis, on the other hand, I prefer less power and more
>variety of shots.

Except for your last sentence, I very much disagree. If variety of
shots pleases you, then why not in the women's game as well?

IMHO, the hard-hitters are starting to ruin women's tennis for me
just as men's is already ruined. Serving aces just is not fun to see.
I know no one will ever be able to play Navratilova's style of game
again (even she had to do some serious adjusting of "pure" serve and
volley) but I sure do get sick of the "baseline babies" style (yes,
even when Arantxa does it) Get those womewn to the net; it's so much
prettier. Watch Lisa Raymond sometime; she's the best at it, although
she too is admitting she has to add some of what Martina did just to
stay competitive. IMO, more's the pity.

marsha

 
 
 

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Post by J » Fri, 02 Jan 1998 04:00:00

     I personally don't think that Hingis is the most exciting player
either but do you really think she isn't athletic.  What exactly are you
looking at when you watch her play?  You really think Hingis is
unathletic but Goran has athletic looking strokes.  Oh my God.  I like
Goran but other than his backhand every stroke of his is the definition
of ugly...including his serve.  Just my opinion.