OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Raja The Grea » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:36:23


The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

?Albert King

?Chic

?Deep Purple

?Donna Summer

?Heart

?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

?Kraftwerk

?The Marvelettes

?The Meters

?N.W.A

?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

?Procol Harum

?Public Enemy

?Randy Newman

?Rush

 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by TT » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:41:06

4.10.2012 20:36, Raja The Great kirjoitti:

Quote:
> The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> Albert King

> Chic

> Deep Purple

> Donna Summer

> Heart

> Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> Kraftwerk

> The Marvelettes

> The Meters

> N.W.A

> The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> Procol Harum

> Public Enemy

> Randy Newman

> Rush

Deep Purple is not yet there? wtf...

Donna Summers is rock?

 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Javier Gonzále » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:59:30

Quote:

> 4.10.2012 20:36, Raja The Great kirjoitti:

> > The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> > http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> > ?Albert King

> > ?Chic

> > ?Deep Purple

> > ?Donna Summer

> > ?Heart

> > ?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> > ?Kraftwerk

> > ?The Marvelettes

> > ?The Meters

> > ?N.W.A

> > ?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> > ?Procol Harum

> > ?Public Enemy

> > ?Randy Newman

> > ?Rush

> Deep Purple is not yet there? wtf...

But Madonna and ABBA are ;)

Quote:
> Donna Summers is rock?

:-)

 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Court_ » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:24:54


Quote:
> ?Randy Newman

Randy Newman? How anybody could like Randy Newman is beyond my
understanding. He is just awful imo.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Joe Ramire » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:28:05


Quote:
> The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> ?Albert King

> ?Chic

> ?Deep Purple

> ?Donna Summer

> ?Heart

> ?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> ?Kraftwerk

> ?The Marvelettes

> ?The Meters

> ?N.W.A

> ?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> ?Procol Harum

> ?Public Enemy

> ?Randy Newman

> ?Rush

This year, fans can vote too. The official fan ballot is at
RollingStone.com. Each fan does not get an individual vote in the
final tally; rather, the cumulative fan vote -- the fan's top 5
choices -- will be reduced to one ballot that will be added to the
other 600 or ballots from regular Hall of Fame voters. This means the
fan vote will constitute about 0.167% of the total vote -- but hey,
that's progress! Anyway, I voted for:
-Rush
-Heart
-Deep Purple
-Kraftwerk
-Public Enemy
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Joe Ramire » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:31:16


Quote:

> > ?Randy Newman

> Randy Newman? How anybody could like Randy Newman is beyond my
> understanding. He is just awful imo.

Newman is an unpleasant performer because his voice is bad and his
personality is off-putting. However, many of his songs are smart and
tuneful. His orchestral score for "The Natural" is superb (and much
copied/recycled). Still, I did not vote for him because of his
deficiencies as a performer; this is not an honor for composers or
song writers.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Court_ » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:36:41


Quote:

> > The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> >http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> > ?Albert King

> > ?Chic

> > ?Deep Purple

> > ?Donna Summer

> > ?Heart

> > ?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> > ?Kraftwerk

> > ?The Marvelettes

> > ?The Meters

> > ?N.W.A

> > ?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> > ?Procol Harum

> > ?Public Enemy

> > ?Randy Newman

> > ?Rush

> This year, fans can vote too. The official fan ballot is at
> RollingStone.com. Each fan does not get an individual vote in the
> final tally; rather, the cumulative fan vote -- the fan's top 5
> choices -- will be reduced to one ballot that will be added to the
> other 600 or ballots from regular Hall of Fame voters. This means the
> fan vote will constitute about 0.167% of the total vote -- but hey,
> that's progress! Anyway, I voted for:
> -Rush
> -Heart

I love Heart. Very underrated imo. I have seen them live and Ann
Wilson has one of the most powerful voices I have ever heard.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Court_ » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:39:18


Quote:


> > > ?Randy Newman

> > Randy Newman? How anybody could like Randy Newman is beyond my
> > understanding. He is just awful imo.

> Newman is an unpleasant performer because his voice is bad and his
> personality is off-putting.

That is for sure.

Quote:
> His orchestral score for "The Natural" is superb (and much
> copied/recycled).

I don't recall that from the movie. Will have to look for it the next
time that movie is on tv.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Joe Ramire » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:43:06


Quote:


> > > The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> > >http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> > > ?Albert King

> > > ?Chic

> > > ?Deep Purple

> > > ?Donna Summer

> > > ?Heart

> > > ?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> > > ?Kraftwerk

> > > ?The Marvelettes

> > > ?The Meters

> > > ?N.W.A

> > > ?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> > > ?Procol Harum

> > > ?Public Enemy

> > > ?Randy Newman

> > > ?Rush

> > This year, fans can vote too. The official fan ballot is at
> > RollingStone.com. Each fan does not get an individual vote in the
> > final tally; rather, the cumulative fan vote -- the fan's top 5
> > choices -- will be reduced to one ballot that will be added to the
> > other 600 or ballots from regular Hall of Fame voters. This means the
> > fan vote will constitute about 0.167% of the total vote -- but hey,
> > that's progress! Anyway, I voted for:
> > -Rush
> > -Heart

> I love Heart. Very underrated imo. I have seen them live and Ann
> Wilson has one of the most powerful voices I have ever heard.

Heart's 1970s work was high-quality, if derivative, hard rock; the
group's '80s output was mostly schlock. Notwithstanding Ann's
excellence as a vocalist (you are right about that), the band's real
claim to fame was the pioneering influence of the Wilson sisters as
women in rock -- not just frontwomen/puppets, but creators and
bandleaders. Heart deserves HOF inclusion based on that alone, in my
judgment. Plenty of two-bit acts from the 1950s and '60s have been
inducted based on "influence" that was less lasting and significant
than that of the Wilson sisters.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Joe Ramire » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:51:11


Quote:



> > > > ?Randy Newman

> > > Randy Newman? How anybody could like Randy Newman is beyond my
> > > understanding. He is just awful imo.

> > Newman is an unpleasant performer because his voice is bad and his
> > personality is off-putting.

> That is for sure.

> > His orchestral score for "The Natural" is superb (and much
> > copied/recycled).

> I don't recall that from the movie. Will have to look for it the next
> time that movie is on tv.

The most famous musical cue occurs several times, most prominently
when Roy Hobbs hits the lights-out (literally) home run at the end of
the film: da DUM, da Dum dum dum.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Court_ » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:58:07


Quote:
> Heart's 1970s work was high-quality, if derivative, hard rock; the
> group's '80s output was mostly schlock.

I agree. The 70's stuff was better than most of the 80's stuff.

Quote:
>  the band's real claim to fame was the pioneering influence of the Wilson sisters as
> women in rock -- not just frontwomen/puppets, but creators and
> bandleaders. Heart deserves HOF inclusion based on that alone, in my
> judgment. Plenty of two-bit acts from the 1950s and '60s have been
> inducted based on "influence" that was less lasting and significant
> than that of the Wilson sisters.

Yes, very true. They were true pioneers of women in rock for sure.
Nancy Wilson's guitar work is some of the best guitar work of all
time, man or woman, she is right up there.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Court_ » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:00:04


Quote:




> > > > > ?Randy Newman

> > > > Randy Newman? How anybody could like Randy Newman is beyond my
> > > > understanding. He is just awful imo.

> > > Newman is an unpleasant performer because his voice is bad and his
> > > personality is off-putting.

> > That is for sure.

> > > His orchestral score for "The Natural" is superb (and much
> > > copied/recycled).

> > I don't recall that from the movie. Will have to look for it the next
> > time that movie is on tv.

> The most famous musical cue occurs several times, most prominently
> when Roy Hobbs hits the lights-out (literally) home run at the end of
> the film: da DUM, da Dum dum dum.

Oh ok, I know what you mean. I don't think I realized that was
Newman's work or if I had read it before I forgot. I still hate Newman
though. :)
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Shake » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 06:16:59


Quote:

> > The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> >http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> > ?Albert King

> > ?Chic

> > ?Deep Purple

> > ?Donna Summer

> > ?Heart

> > ?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> > ?Kraftwerk

> > ?The Marvelettes

> > ?The Meters

> > ?N.W.A

> > ?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> > ?Procol Harum

> > ?Public Enemy

> > ?Randy Newman

> > ?Rush

> This year, fans can vote too. The official fan ballot is at
> RollingStone.com. Each fan does not get an individual vote in the
> final tally; rather, the cumulative fan vote -- the fan's top 5
> choices -- will be reduced to one ballot that will be added to the
> other 600 or ballots from regular Hall of Fame voters. This means the
> fan vote will constitute about 0.167% of the total vote -- but hey,
> that's progress! Anyway, I voted for:
> -Rush
> -Heart
> -Deep Purple
> -Kraftwerk
> -Public Enemy

Nothing to do with the topic on hand, but I do wonder why not many
people here talk about Western Classical music (past or contemporary).
It's mostly Rock & Roll or Metallic or Hard Rock.

Is it because not too many artists take up Western Classical music
these days ? Does Yanni qualify as one ?

In India, for example, there are always artists who learn and perform
Indian Classical Music on the stage - both in India and abroad - along
side regular "popular" music.

 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by jdeluis » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 06:25:54


Quote:
> Is it because not too many artists take up Western Classical music
> these days ?

Western Classical music is on life support right now.  Symphonies are
closing left and right (have been for some time now), so the future does not
look bright.  Unless you're a renowned soloist it's difficult to make money
from it, particularly considering the time and effort a young person has to
put in to become "good".  Not to mention there is a lot of foreign
competition for the jobs that are available.
 
 
 

OT: Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and Rush are nominees for 2013 Rock N Roll HOF

Post by Joe Ramire » Sat, 06 Oct 2012 06:56:57


Quote:


> > > The three deserve it. Hopefully Yes gets in in the next few years

> > >http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php

> > > ?Albert King

> > > ?Chic

> > > ?Deep Purple

> > > ?Donna Summer

> > > ?Heart

> > > ?Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

> > > ?Kraftwerk

> > > ?The Marvelettes

> > > ?The Meters

> > > ?N.W.A

> > > ?The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

> > > ?Procol Harum

> > > ?Public Enemy

> > > ?Randy Newman

> > > ?Rush

> > This year, fans can vote too. The official fan ballot is at
> > RollingStone.com. Each fan does not get an individual vote in the
> > final tally; rather, the cumulative fan vote -- the fan's top 5
> > choices -- will be reduced to one ballot that will be added to the
> > other 600 or ballots from regular Hall of Fame voters. This means the
> > fan vote will constitute about 0.167% of the total vote -- but hey,
> > that's progress! Anyway, I voted for:
> > -Rush
> > -Heart
> > -Deep Purple
> > -Kraftwerk
> > -Public Enemy

> Nothing to do with the topic on hand, but I do wonder why not many
> people here talk about Western Classical music (past or contemporary).
> It's mostly Rock & Roll or Metallic or Hard Rock.

I seldom start music threads in RST these days, so for me it is a just
a matter of replying to whatever OT thread (often from Raja) happens
to capture my attention. The Rock HOF nominations were just announced
today, so the topic is timely. Also, this is a bit of a watershed
moment for Rush, which is a band I like (saw them in concert just
three weeks ago).

I have had some conversations about classical music in RST, but
certainly far fewer than about rock/pop, I admit. On the other hand,
I'm an amateur classical musician, so I don't rely on this forum as an
outlet for anything. Earlier this year I played the sax in a symphony
orchestra for the first time (Gershwin's "American in Paris"), which
I'll remember for much longer than any RST musical debate. :) I also
sometimes exchange emails with the local newspaper's classical music
critic. Last time, I wrote to him about my observation that a
particular melody in John Williams' "Superman" score was lifted from
"Death and Transfiguration" by Richard Strauss. Not sure that RST
cares much about stuff like that. :)

Quote:
> Is it because not too many artists take up Western Classical music
> these days ?

In absolute terms, there are almost certainly more classically trained
musicians than ever before, especially considering that the primary
"market" now includes Europe, North America, parts of South America,
Australia, and parts of highly populous East Asia. However, the
influence and status of many of these musicians may be less than it
was several generations ago, due to many forms of both musical and
nonmusical (general recreational) competition. Also, at least in the
United States, the average nonmusician probably knows much less about
classical music than his grandparents did. "Music appreciation"
courses in schools have declined, and there is far less pressure than
in the last century to demonstrate one's societal class or
intellectual sophistication through knowledge of classical music.

Quote:
> Does Yanni qualify as one ?

No, Yanni is New Age. However, there is some overlap in methods and
materials between classical and New Age music.