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by **The Do** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:23:48

Thanks Mike,

I'm definitely thinking the Raptors would be good and your the
ump***th person who's sung praise. I want to use a couple of them in
a RAID for my primary. I'm thinking a couple of big (500+) drives for
storage internal, or maybe a TB or 2 external.

I don't game either (at least not enough to justify a gamer graphics
card). And 2GB memory is minimum. I've been running 1GB since the
start on this almost 5 year old machine... One of my better
investments.

If I get this thing built this Summer, I'm probably going to stick
with XP Pro. Until Vista has been out awhile, it scares me.

If youve not used them, check out newegg.com.

Cheers,
Dog

Quote:

> Hey Dog,

> I just finished building a new vista box. Here are the components I used:

> CPU: Core Duo E6600 conroe core running at 2.4ghz. Overclockable but I'm not
> into that.
> MB: I chose an Asus P5NSLI based on an Nvidia 650 SLI chipset. I wanted SATA
> with RAID 0/1 support and the Nvidia chipset for a low price. Didn't want to
> spend the extra for the 680.
> Hard drives: Spend a little more and get WD Raptor drives. 10k drives with
> 16mb cache. If you can't afford raptors then get a raptor for your boot
> drive and then a pair of 7.2k class drives and run them in RAID mode 1 if
> you want more bandwidth.
> Video... I'm not a gamer so I did not drop a bunch of money on a DX10 card.
> If you are into *** then you HAVE to have an Nvidia 8x series card
> running DX10. The results are breathtaking. I instead chose a 79x Nvidia
> based half gig card. You could go with a pair of these cards in SLI mode and
> still be dollars ahead of what you'd spend on a 8x card.
> For memory I chose two 1gb sticks at 667mhz.
> For DVD I chose a liteon burner with lightscribe.

> Check outwww.tomshardware.comfor good information on what's screaming
> fast... You know, the stuff for the money is no object gamer crowd kind of
> fast. Tom's also has good information on where the current performance /
> value sweet spot is at... This is what I usually try to hit when I build up
> a new machine.

> The raptor hard drives are sick fast. Of all the components I picked the
> raptors provided the biggest bang for the buck. I'm running the 32 bit
> version of vista ultimate. No problems with drivers. I'm happy with vista
> and even though I despise gratuitous eye candy user interface the
> "window-tab" mechanism with the aero interface is very cool AND useful.

> Hope this helps.

> Mike

> P.S. I've had good luck with tigerdirect.

by **wind.s** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:07:41

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:01:20 -0700, The Dog

Quote:

>Well... You've asked some questions I really hadn't thought about.

>But it seems like everyone thought that I meant "processor" when I
>meant "chipset", as in what's on the rest of the motherboard. Like is
>the SiS655FX really that much better than the i865PE.

<snip>

When I built my last great PC, I got an Asus mobo with SiS chipset.
SiS has a history of problems, but I kept hearing how great this board
was, so I bought it. The keyboard plug died a few weeks after I bought
it, so I switched to a USB keyboard. The onboard sound card died a
year later, so I added a sound card, which is no big deal, but it
takes up a PCI slot.

Don't decide by this one post, but I would look hard at the Intel. The
SiS would need awfully good reviews before I bought it.

by **wind.s** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:12:52

Quote:

>Video is one of the areas where primary development is aimed at Macs
>instead of Windows users. And as Dave noted, modern Macs all have
>Intel inside.

I disagree, although I am a few years out of the loop and might be
wrong. When I was more involved with video, I knew several semi-large
all Mac shops that got some PCs because they were required for
something (hardware?). OTOH, unless you want to do big time 3D Studio
Max on *nix, which ain't most of us, then Final Cut Pro pretty much
has you covered. I used to love Adobe Premiere, but the last big thing
I edited was trashed by Premiere on the PC, so I started over on
Premiere on my Mac, which trashed the new file. I find file management
sorely lacking on all Macs, but for video editing and if I had spare
cash, I would prolly get a new Mac Book or whatever it's called.

by **The Do** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:29:52

Quote:

> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:01:20 -0700, The Dog

> >Well... You've asked some questions I really hadn't thought about.

> >But it seems like everyone thought that I meant "processor" when I
> >meant "chipset", as in what's on the rest of the motherboard. Like is
> >the SiS655FX really that much better than the i865PE.

> <snip>

> When I built my last great PC, I got an Asus mobo with SiS chipset.
> SiS has a history of problems, but I kept hearing how great this board
> was, so I bought it. The keyboard plug died a few weeks after I bought
> it, so I switched to a USB keyboard. The onboard sound card died a
> year later, so I added a sound card, which is no big deal, but it
> takes up a PCI slot.

> Don't decide by this one post, but I would look hard at the Intel. The
> SiS would need awfully good reviews before I bought it.

I'm sure that I will get an Intel chipset. I just used the SiS as an
example. Though the mbreview folks kind of liked it.

I was probably expecting too much when I posed the question. But what
the hey, it was worth a shot.

Dog

by **Pete** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:36:13

Quote:

> It's getting near time to build a new machine at the house. I've got
> a good idea on the general configuration cause I want to start doing
> some DV. But I've paid zero attention to what's going on for awhile,
> so they revoked my computer geek status.

> Definitely going Intel processor (sorry Mac heads, I don't do Mac).
> What chipsets should I be looking at?

So you dont want Mac, eh. Maybe this new shiny product from Apple will
change your mind:

http://www.tv.com/uservideos/?action=video_player&id=dyFgkWaq5b4OszLf...

by **Florian Feuse** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:28:17

Quote:

> I disagree, although I am a few years out of the loop and might be
> wrong. When I was more involved with video, I knew several semi-large
> all Mac shops that got some PCs because they were required for
> something (hardware?).
> OTOH, unless you want to do big time 3D Studio
> Max on *nix, which ain't most of us, then Final Cut Pro pretty much
> has you covered.

The Avid platform was a big PC holdout, too - in part because of Intel's
stake in the company. Final Cut Pro has really impacted the business,
though and what's nice about it is that it is very much an alive
software platform used by a large community that offers plenty of peer
support.

I used to love Adobe Premiere, but the last big thing

Quote:

> I edited was trashed by Premiere on the PC, so I started over on
> Premiere on my Mac, which trashed the new file. I find file management
> sorely lacking on all Macs, but for video editing and if I had spare
> cash, I would prolly get a new Mac Book or whatever it's called.

File management lacking?

MacBooks are great. Never owned a faster WinXP machine...
;-)

What's great - and it has been mentioned before - is the software Apple
throws in with their hardware products - iMovie and iDVD are simple but
very powerful and pretty well engineered. IMHO definitively worth the
dwindling premium you pay for that platform.

--
florian - NY22

http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/team/florianfeuser.html

by **M. Gun** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:40:32

Quote:

> Final Cut Pro has really impacted the business,
> though and what's nice about it is that it is very much an alive
> software platform used by a large community that offers plenty of peer
> support.

See Dog,
There's community beer support on the Mac. You make it, we drink it.
...oh, wait...peer...that must be after-beer...er...suppor....er
...every Mac comes with a box of crayons. What more could you ask?

:) MacMo

(Comiic loves me, this I know. For the Google tells me so)
--
Team Coyote
http://www.teamcoyote.net

by **The Do** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:48:52

Quote:

> See Dog,
> There's community beer support on the Mac. You make it, we drink it.
> ...oh, wait...peer...that must be after-beer...er...suppor....er
> ...every Mac comes with a box of crayons. What more could you ask?

> :) MacMo

> (Comiic loves me, this I know. For the Google tells me so)
> --
> Team Coyotehttp://www.teamcoyote.net

Say goodnite Mo...

Dog

by **M. Gun** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:51:19

Quote:

>> See Dog,
>> There's community beer support on the Mac. You make it, we drink it.
>> ...oh, wait...peer...that must be after-beer...er...suppor....er
>> ...every Mac comes with a box of crayons. What more could you ask?

>> :) MacMo

>> (Comiic loves me, this I know. For the Google tells me so)
>> --
>> Team Coyotehttp://www.teamcoyote.net

> Say goodnite Mo...

> Dog

"goodnite Mo"
(zzzzzzz)

--
Team Coyote
http://www.teamcoyote.net

by **wind.s** » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:48:08

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:28:17 -0400, Florian Feuser

Quote:

<snip>
>The Avid platform was a big PC holdout, too - in part because of Intel's
>stake in the company. Final Cut Pro has really impacted the business,
>though and what's nice about it is that it is very much an alive
>software platform used by a large community that offers plenty of peer
>support.

I don't doubt Final Cut impacting the business! I have seen some
amazing, beautiful stuff from people using FC and it was their first
venture into editing.

Quote:

>I used to love Adobe Premiere, but the last big thing
>> I edited was trashed by Premiere on the PC, so I started over on
>> Premiere on my Mac, which trashed the new file. I find file management
>> sorely lacking on all Macs, but for video editing and if I had spare
>> cash, I would prolly get a new Mac Book or whatever it's called.

>File management lacking?

Yes, for me it is, and it may be a matter of not having the right
software or knowing workarounds. On PC, when I go to save a file,
let's say a similarly-named file exists and I want to use that name,
but then alter it. Piece of cake on PC, impossible AFAIK on Mac. Or
maybe when I go to save a new file, I see some files I want to rename;
maybe I suddenly decide on a batter naming convention. Well, on PC, I
can do it all in the Save File window, but not on Mac.

Quote:

>MacBooks are great. Never owned a faster WinXP machine...
>;-)

>What's great - and it has been mentioned before - is the software Apple
>throws in with their hardware products - iMovie and iDVD are simple but
>very powerful and pretty well engineered. IMHO definitively worth the
>dwindling premium you pay for that platform.

Agreed.

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