Old board + New sail (not really related to the previous thread)

Old board + New sail (not really related to the previous thread)

Post by Sty » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:26:47


I have a Fanatic Pure Rabbit 298 (the one with the fin
I was trying to pull out the other day), which I started
sailing in October using a Gaastra 5.1 one camber sail.
The Gaastra is an old sail, should be from '95 or something
like that. Recently I bought a NP Diablo 6.7. When
I tested it, it was an amazing experience. HUGE difference.
Not only does the Diablo point upwind much better (although camless)
but it also has a lighter feeling! Couldn't believe it...
I suppose it has to do with a few things most posters wrote
in the thread about old boards/new rigs.
After that, I'm looking for more information about my
board. I couldn't find much online, the only available review
was at windsurfer.com I think, but I couldn't find any real
opinions about handling etc, nor its year (:-).

thanks in advance ;)
Styl

 
 
 

Old board + New sail (not really related to the previous thread)

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:06:57

Quote:

> I have a Fanatic Pure Rabbit 298 (the one with the fin
> I was trying to pull out the other day), which I started
> sailing in October using a Gaastra 5.1 one camber sail.
> The Gaastra is an old sail, should be from '95 or something
> like that. Recently I bought a NP Diablo 6.7. When
> I tested it, it was an amazing experience. HUGE difference.
> Not only does the Diablo point upwind much better (although camless)
> but it also has a lighter feeling! Couldn't believe it...
> I suppose it has to do with a few things most posters wrote
> in the thread about old boards/new rigs.
> After that, I'm looking for more information about my
> board. I couldn't find much online, the only available review
> was at windsurfer.com I think, but I couldn't find any real
> opinions about handling etc, nor its year (:-).

The Rabbit came onto the market in 1992 iirc., may have been 1991
although i'm pretty sure that at this time Fanatic still had the
original Bee in their lineup. "Pure" is the slightly heavier, cheaper
technology, with relatively good reputation in the durability segment.
Afaik, the term "Pure" for this technology was introduced a bit later so
your actual board should be newer than 1992, altough it's the same shape
(which is not true of all Fanatics introduced at that time, the Rat was
in fact reshaped / mold modified after 1 year). The board is a rather
"traditional" / "pre nonose" shape, with wide point before the middle,
thin rail, volume forward. I've never ridden it but it got characterized
as a relatively user friendly and easy to ride board with somewhat
limited performance potential: A good board to learn basic shortboarding
up to powerjibing etc. but nothing to win speed matches or get planing
before anyone else (except you'r only half the weight of anyone else
:-)).
So compared to your board, both sails are "new". I'd also risk the
statement, that the bigger revolutions in sail design were in the
beginning 90s, when "loose leach" was the word of the day and carbon
masts with defined bend chrateristics became common. Since then it was
more a slow (nut certanily notable) process of slow refinement, except
maybe the step to working bigger sails (> 6.0) without camber inducers.
Want to say: I would not generally call a 5m sail from 1995 totally
outdated or "old" (contrary to one from say 1990 or 1985). It's more a
question of good or bad sail, wether it's properly trimmed or not. And:
A 6.7 is going to feel differently to a 5.1 in any case. 5.1 is pretty
small for a 291/130 liter board so it was either basically too windy for
the sail or you were underpowered. A lot of reasons for different
performance besides the age difference.
One more point, more in response to the other thread: I do think that an
age missmatch between board and rig can degrade performance on some
cases. Or, more precisely: An age and type missmatch: I built my first
board in 1988/89. Pretty much like the sunset slalom, just a bit flatter
and with more volume in the tail. The board perfomed well with some
sails of that time or slightly later, even with a really cheap (anyone
remember "Aquata") 5.0 wavesail, a cheapish 6.5 twin cam slalom sail and
a relatively good Gaastra 4.4 wave-slalom sail. Some years later (must
have been 1997 or so), i had different baords and sails meanwhile, the
board got used again by a friend of me while we were on vacation
together. Still worked well with the old 6.5 and 4.4 which i still had.
On one occasion however i placed my 5.0 Zeta wavsail (95 or 96 model) on
the board: While the board certainly moved, the feeling was really bad.
The sail felt totally gutless, the board absolutely sluggish etc. There
was enough wind, i directly changed the sail from a small waveboard and
even the old 4.4 was enough. The older, "traditionlly" shaped slalom
baord was just an evil match for the modern (at the time), flat
wavesail. We could observe similar effects when exchanging the drafty
twin-cam 6.5 for my then new 6.5 North Spectro: The Spectro would not
accelerate the old board as well as the way cheaper old sail. Conversly,
the old sail felt very weird on the then-new slalom/freeride board i
had, with roughly the same dimensions as the old board. So be carefull
what you match. A newer sail, carefully chosen will often be an
improvement, especially if you can reduce the rig weight (was not the
case for me, the masts and booms were about equal and well matched to
the respective sails). But not everything works out, especially if the
board design is already 10 years or older.  

--
Wolfgang

 
 
 

Old board + New sail (not really related to the previous thread)

Post by Sty » Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:39:58


Quote:
>limited performance potential: A good board to learn basic shortboarding
>up to powerjibing etc. but nothing to win speed matches or get planing
>before anyone else (except you'r only half the weight of anyone else
>:-)).

Well, I'm about 68kg, plus or minus a couple of kilos. I don't think
this is really half the weight of most wsurfers :-). I'm not
an advanced surfer anyway so I don't think I will be trying to
do any racing (at least not before I learn to carve jibe).

Quote:
>A 6.7 is going to feel differently to a 5.1 in any case. 5.1 is pretty
>small for a 291/130 liter board so it was either basically too windy for
>the sail or you were underpowered. A lot of reasons for different
>performance besides the age difference.

I've tried the 5.1 in a great variety of wind speed. The thing is
it was the first one I got after I had clinics where I started
windsurfing. I'm sure you're right about the conditions,
it might also be that I'm rigging my sails on my own, so I could
have detuned the sail without being able to tell... No experience there!
However, the 6.7 felt like really different. I never expected it to
be that different. But on the other hand, it came tuned. It is camless
so I won't need to do any tuning of my own.

Lot's of thanks Wolfgang! Your post was really enlightening!