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by **NLW TFW** » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Sorry, Rog, but "Even the press release I saw says it's not fast" rules it out
for me. I gots to have speed. I've tried the old-fashioned wave boards, and
wanted about 40 more horsepower or 4" less rocker.

Mike \m/
Never Leave Wind To Find Wind

by **sailquik (Roger Jacks** » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Sorry, Rog, but "Even the press release I saw says it's not fast" rules it out
>for me. I gots to have speed. I've tried the old-fashioned wave boards, and
>wanted about 40 more horsepower or 4" less rocker.

>Mike:

The press release did not say it was slow, but I miscontrued it a bit.
It says something like don't expect to go flying by your buddies on full
slalom gear, but do expect alot of fun.
It's not fast like a Mikes lab, but fast like a Bonzer!
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 3704 |Ph#in MD 301-872-9459
F2/North Sails/ True Ames/Rainbow|Ph#in NC 919-995-3204
US Sail Lvl 1 WS Instructor

by **Wolfgang Soerge** » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hey everyone, especially Clive/ Mike and some of you other "I don't do
> straight lines" type guys.
> Just found out today that Josh Stone and Werner Gnigler have collaborated
> on an F2 board you guys might like.

> It's 8' 6" (260 cm) 23+" wide, and is made to plane up early, but it
> isn't a modified slalom design or a modified wave design. It's shaped alot
> like a surfboard, and is made for jumping, bumping and tricks.

> Even the press release I saw says it's not fast.
> In fact when I read the release, I thought you guys had written it, as it
> sounded so much like what you've been saying you like or want.

If i'm not misstaken this baby is the "new Move", a 280 (not 260) / 110
l
board, very wide with an Outline like a Malibu surfboard but a scoop
line
similar to a slalom board. Kind of an answer to similar boards from
Fanatic (Fly 290), Mistral, RRD and others. According to a "test" in
the latest SURF rag (it's unclear to me how much they tested and
to what extend they printed the press release) the thing planes early,
is good at any kind of jibe and for tricks (very stable, seems almost
a bit too big and stable for lightweights). Bad speed, bad jumping
(probabely due to the bad speed, also seems not to tolerate bad
landings),
bad chop handling.
No comments given to wether it is suitable as a pure surfboard.

The concept looks interesting to me, i'll have to try one.
Another concept, more similar to a WS board was recently introduced by
AHD:
A short (around 265), wide (more than 60 cm) board with a wide, thin
squashtail, with normal windsurf outline (narrow nose, wide point back)
also tailored to tricking around just at the planning threshold and
slightly above. "Looks" better in more wind than the F2 but certainly
can't be used as a surfboard.
We are probabely seeing the rise of a new concept of board here, with
much
experimentation, trial and error. Not each concept will work, some will
have a quite narrow range of ussage in the beginning, are different to
sail from our normal shapes, may require different sails and fins.
But maybe , in the end, we have worthwhile boards to replace the
slalom oriented Freeriders i and many other wavesailors use when
landlocked
to the lake.
For my part, i would not buy such a thing in addition to the slalom
board
in the moment, it must either replace the slalom (i.e. it must work in
gusts up to 6 bft as typically encountered in summer storms on the lake)
or be suitable as surfboard.

Wolfgang
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by **Brian Mckenz** » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hey everyone, especially Clive/ Mike and some of you other "I don't do
>straight lines" type guys.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss !!!!!! Sounds like a
that will be perfectly suited for the east coast.

Brian
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Brian Mckenzie
http://jollyroger.com/windsurf/
Triangle Boardsailing Club, Raleigh, NC

by **NLW TFW** » Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Re:" Bad speed, bad jumping (probabely due to the bad speed, also seems not to
tolerate bad landings), bad chop handling."

Steeeerike One.
Steeeeerike Two.
Steeeeeeerike three.

Yer OUTTA there!

Thanks for the info, Wolfgang.

Mike \m/

Never Leave Wind To Find Wind

by **Charles Lategan** » Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>>If i'm not misstaken this baby is the "new Move", a 280 (not
>>260) / 110l board, very wide with an Outline like a Malibu
>>surfboard but a scoop line.

Interesting concept, could be the answer for a big guys light
wind wave board. I like the idea so much that I had a PCM custom
shaped along those lines for me about 3 1/2 years ago. Mine's
9'3" long, 25" wide, with a lot of rocker for the length. Tri-fin
set-up with a fairly wide tail, 18" at the wings, very thin in
the tail and a fairly wide nose. Doesn't plane up real fast,but
it's a blast in the waves, will float my 230 lbs out in 8-10 mph
conditions, wide enough to do a no-wind jibe or tack and stay
dry. Every thing I need to get out to the lineup when I don't
feel like paddling, and works great on a wave, more like a
carving longboard surfboard. Windsurfing isn't just about about
planing boards, unless of course you don't live near an ocean.
Definately not the choice for the freshwater sailor, but it's
about time that the manufacturers realize that some of us do sail
in the waves. I can't wait to check these designs out, probably
won't trade in the PCM until it breaks. Like they say, the "new"
production designs are really just copies of two to three year
old custom shapes.

Charles

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by **sailquik (Roger Jacks** » Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>If i'm not misstaken this baby is the "new Move", a 280 (not 260) / 110
>l board, very wide with an Outline like a Malibu surfboard but a scoop
>line similar to a slalom board.

Sorry, Wolfgang, but this board is definitley a 260 cm. I've seen the 280
"Move". and that's not the same board at all. Shapes could be similar, but
this is something really new!
I hope to get a copy of the press release tomorrow, and I will post it if
anyone is interested. I'll try to make a minimal bandwidth .GIF that
can either come as an attachment to the post or I'll send it to whoever
writes me a request email. Anyone got a website I can put it on???

sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 3704 |Ph#in MD 301-872-9459
F2/North Sails/ True Ames/Rainbow|Ph#in NC 919-995-3204
US Sail Lvl 1 WS Instructor

by **sailquik (Roger Jacks** » Sun, 01 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Re:" Bad speed, bad jumping (probabely due to the bad speed, also seems not to
>tolerate bad landings), bad chop handling."

Mikey!
I know this will seem like F marketing hype, but I think ya gotta read
these specs!
Let me know what you think!
later, roger

sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 3704 |Ph#in MD 301-872-9459
F2/North Sails/ True Ames/Rainbow|Ph#in NC 919-995-3204
US Sail Lvl 1 WS Instructor

by **Wolfgang Soerge** » Tue, 03 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> >If i'm not misstaken this baby is the "new Move", a 280 (not 260) / 110
> >l board, very wide with an Outline like a Malibu surfboard but a scoop
> >line similar to a slalom board.

> Sorry, Wolfgang, but this board is definitley a 260 cm. I've seen the 280
> "Move". and that's not the same board at all. Shapes could be similar, but
> this is something really new!

OK, see the other post, as already stated in mail to Roger, i was wrong
and the 260 really is a brand new toy. Sounds even more interesting
than the 280 (see Rogers other post) to me, maybe finally one can
really get rid of the slalom gear, despite just having a better duck
pond
for much of the year instead of the sea. Time will tell.

Wolfgang
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Lehrstuhl fuer Nachrichtentechnik / phone: ++49-9131-857781
Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg / fax: ++49-9131-858849
Cauerstrasse 7 / email:

D-91058 Erlangen, GERMANY /
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