The wake of Ezzy - Article on Windsurfing Magazine

The wake of Ezzy - Article on Windsurfing Magazine

Post by kike » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:01:01


Have you guys read the last issue of Windsurfing Magazine?

There is an article from David Ezzy titled WHY WINDSURFING WAS NOT
CANCELLED. Well, it looks like it has caused quite a stir in the
kitesurfing world. Here is the thread to the kiteforum that includes
the article.

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2324498

madspaniard

 
 
 

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Post by Rigaton » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:46:44

what a bunch of losers!  One guy hit it right on that Dave Ezzy is a
straight shooter and says it like it is.  A lot (but not all) of these
kiters live is a state of denial regarding the impact of their sport on
other beach and water users.

 
 
 

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Post by Bob » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:01:11

Political correctness has gone way to far!!! Thanks to Dave Ezzy, it's
been yanked back towards reality!  You have to give the guy credit for
his passion for our sport!

 
 
 

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Post by Charles L » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:42:28

I almost choked when I read the claims that kiters never say anything
bad about windsurfers.  Where do they think the "windsurfing has been
cancelled" BS came from in the first place?

Companies like Ezzy, Sailworks and Exocet, who have refused to divert
their attention to kiting, will get my future business.

Quote:

> Political correctness has gone way to far!!! Thanks to Dave Ezzy, it's
> been yanked back towards reality!  You have to give the guy credit for
> his passion for our sport!

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:42:58

Dave Ezzy is milquetoast compared to what myself and others have said
publicly...let alone privately...;-)

Benefit of a doubt...his *real* comments were prolly heavily edited...;-)

Our local paper captured a classic "Mary Poppins" kiting moment of
"Skippy" on Wednesday...while local handglider, Kippy, glided along with
soul...

http://surfingsports.com/images/mary_poppins.jpg

http://surfingsports.com/images/fukenkuken.jpg

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:

> what a bunch of losers!  One guy hit it right on that Dave Ezzy is a
> straight shooter and says it like it is.  A lot (but not all) of these
> kiters live is a state of denial regarding the impact of their sport on
> other beach and water users.

 
 
 

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Post by GWoo » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:44:39

Interesting thread.  I can see why kiters might be just a tad peeved about
Dave's representation of their sport.

I've never kited, and probably at this stage of the game I never will.  But
if it had arisen 20 years ago when I was stranded in a locale that offered
8-10 knot winds during the (very) short sailing season, I probably would
have gone that way.  Endless shlogging on the the WS gear of the day sure
pales in comparison to ripping (and possible air?) available on a big kite.

One thing I envy about kiters is being able grab all their gear and fit it
in the back of a small car.  Mind you, they need a football field to get set
up, but travel sure seems like a snap.


Quote:
> Have you guys read the last issue of Windsurfing Magazine?

> There is an article from David Ezzy titled WHY WINDSURFING WAS NOT
> CANCELLED. Well, it looks like it has caused quite a stir in the
> kitesurfing world. Here is the thread to the kiteforum that includes
> the article.

> http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2324498

> madspaniard

 
 
 

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Post by Craig Goudi » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:58:40

Actually, having read through the entire thread, I was a bit surprised on
the lucidity, and objectiveness
of a clearly Kiteboard centric forum.  There are a couple of Kiteboarders
there who  have a tude,
but I was surprised at the number who didn't.

I read Dave's article. It is a bit inflammatory, but calls it pretty much
the way I see it, and there were plenty of Kiteboarders
on the Kiteboard forum who said "Hell yeh I went to Kiteboarding because it
was easy to learn".  That's humility, and not something
I was expecting in a Kiteboard forum.

If  Fabio Ingrosso had written an article in a similar tone about how Kites
are the future of wind powered sports, because they're less
location specific, and easier to learn (I concur with both these
statements), I wonder how magnanimous this forum would be  ;*)

Anyway, I found the attitude there surprising and refreshing (now where did
I put my Kiteboard).

-Craig


Quote:
> what a bunch of losers!  One guy hit it right on that Dave Ezzy is a
> straight shooter and says it like it is.  A lot (but not all) of these
> kiters live is a state of denial regarding the impact of their sport on
> other beach and water users.

 
 
 

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Post by kurt » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:06:04

Common sense has been cancelled.  They're just kites; if there's a
problem, it's the carbon based life form attached to the kite, not the
other way around.

Folks should come to Michigan; lottsa kiters & windsurfers sharing the
beach. Kiter's go sailing, & sailors go kiting.  Folks seem to
understand that it's normal & nice to make space for each other.  I've
seen excellent self policing of *** kiters by the non-***s.
Apparently, getting along w/each other is not possible elsewhere.

Personally, I was kinda surprised that Ezzy would refer to Robby Naish
as a "has been".

 
 
 

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Post by Charles L » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:08:45

Guess I fail to see how they are less location-specific?  They need
planing winds, unlike say the Kona or any long board from the good ol'
days...  they need more wind to plane than the light wind gear of
today...  gusty winds must be a nightmare... too much wind is also
bad...  lots of room is required to lauch one....

Where can they sail that a windsurfer can't?  I can think of lots of
places where a windsurfer can sail and a kite wouldn't work.

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:44:23

Quote:

> Actually, having read through the entire thread, I was a bit surprised on
> the lucidity, and objectiveness
> of a clearly Kiteboard centric forum.  
>> Anyway, I found the attitude there surprising and refreshing (now where did
>> I put my Kiteboard).

Yeah..."Rockstar" with 929 posts is very refreshing, objective, and
lurid...er, uh, I mean lucid...NOT...;-)

"Hes a Windsurfer that doesn't like kites. Big deal. Thats HIS problem.

He is not alone. It is Hookipa syndrome.They live in a fantasy World.
Windsurfers get the Primo spot. Kites go down to the dump.

Oh,and Pierdreporto......Go *** yourself,you piece of Euro shit !

PeterPotty...Vai a foda voc mesmo, voc uma parte de merda europia"

Actually, the kiters on Maui get to kite near the turd farm...not the
dump...this is one of the reasons why:

http://SportToday.org/

WARDOG
http://SportToday.org/

There are a couple of Kiteboarders

Quote:
> there who  have a tude,
> but I was surprised at the number who didn't.

> I read Dave's article. It is a bit inflammatory, but calls it pretty much
> the way I see it, and there were plenty of Kiteboarders
> on the Kiteboard forum who said "Hell yeh I went to Kiteboarding because it
> was easy to learn".  That's humility, and not something
> I was expecting in a Kiteboard forum.

> If  Fabio Ingrosso had written an article in a similar tone about how Kites
> are the future of wind powered sports, because they're less
> location specific, and easier to learn (I concur with both these
> statements), I wonder how magnanimous this forum would be  ;*)

> Anyway, I found the attitude there surprising and refreshing (now where did
> I put my Kiteboard).

> -Craig



>>what a bunch of losers!  One guy hit it right on that Dave Ezzy is a
>>straight shooter and says it like it is.  A lot (but not all) of these
>>kiters live is a state of denial regarding the impact of their sport on
>>other beach and water users.

 
 
 

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Post by Craig Goudi » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:51:26

Right,  I was just surprised that all the responses weren't of the same
caliber as 'Rockstar" , some were actually well thought out
and objective.  I guess much like this forum. ;*)

Here's a counter example by Kitesurf66

Quote:
>Everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion. I don't have anything in
>favor or against David Ezzy. However, your argument is definitely flawed.
>Let >me ask you, how many videos have you been featured in? If none, are
>you f***** s***? Maybe to you, that is true. To the rest, I may suck, but
> >kiting as well as windsurfing is just about having fun. Dave enjoys
>windsurfing and not kiting, more power to him and more space for the
>kiters. Robby >Naish and Pete Cabrinha have real talent? No doubt about it,
>but they still surf and windsurf. What does that say? They are intelligent
>guys. >Remember that Robby and Pete market their gear, so they have to look
>like active kiteboarders because they make money that way. Other than that,
> >I think that this thread has been overdone and oversensitive by many
>,quick, reactive people and it is starting to look like a supermarket rag.

And another brief but succinct from another Kiter

Quote:
>hey im a former windsurfer, im not offended. its mostly true. kiting is way
>easier than windsurfing. get over it.

 But, I expected the whole forum over there to be filled
with a**holes.
Prejudice, it's an ugly thing, especially when you spot it in yourself.

-Craig


Quote:

>> Actually, having read through the entire thread, I was a bit surprised on
>> the lucidity, and objectiveness
>> of a clearly Kiteboard centric forum.
>>> Anyway, I found the attitude there surprising and refreshing (now where
>>> did I put my Kiteboard).

> Yeah..."Rockstar" with 929 posts is very refreshing, objective, and
> lurid...er, uh, I mean lucid...NOT...;-)

> "Hes a Windsurfer that doesn't like kites. Big deal. Thats HIS problem.

> He is not alone. It is Hookipa syndrome.They live in a fantasy World.
> Windsurfers get the Primo spot. Kites go down to the dump.

> Oh,and Pierdreporto......Go *** yourself,you piece of Euro shit !

> PeterPotty...Vai a foda voc mesmo, voc uma parte de merda europia"

> Actually, the kiters on Maui get to kite near the turd farm...not the
> dump...this is one of the reasons why:

> http://SportToday.org/

> WARDOG
> http://SportToday.org/

> There are a couple of Kiteboarders
>> there who  have a tude,
>> but I was surprised at the number who didn't.

>> I read Dave's article. It is a bit inflammatory, but calls it pretty much
>> the way I see it, and there were plenty of Kiteboarders
>> on the Kiteboard forum who said "Hell yeh I went to Kiteboarding because
>> it was easy to learn".  That's humility, and not something
>> I was expecting in a Kiteboard forum.

>> If  Fabio Ingrosso had written an article in a similar tone about how
>> Kites are the future of wind powered sports, because they're less
>> location specific, and easier to learn (I concur with both these
>> statements), I wonder how magnanimous this forum would be  ;*)

>> Anyway, I found the attitude there surprising and refreshing (now where
>> did I put my Kiteboard).

>> -Craig



>>>what a bunch of losers!  One guy hit it right on that Dave Ezzy is a
>>>straight shooter and says it like it is.  A lot (but not all) of these
>>>kiters live is a state of denial regarding the impact of their sport on
>>>other beach and water users.

 
 
 

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Post by GWoo » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:01:24


Quote:
> Common sense has been cancelled.  They're just kites; if there's a
> problem, it's the carbon based life form attached to the kite, not the
> other way around.

Granted and agreed.

Quote:

> Folks should come to Michigan; lottsa kiters & windsurfers sharing the
> beach. Kiter's go sailing, & sailors go kiting.  Folks seem to
> understand that it's normal & nice to make space for each other.  I've
> seen excellent self policing of *** kiters by the non-***s.
> Apparently, getting along w/each other is not possible elsewhere.

Well, I've been to many spots where space is not an issue, and common sense
rules to allow folks to spread out without issue.  Then again there are
locations where beach access is quite limited and numbers are high.  Several
launches in the gorge come to mind.  One kiter with his gear spread out can
block access to a lot of folks, and one inexperienced kiter on the water can
create havoc for a lot of sailors.

I'm not slamming kiters, but the nature of their gear is that they have a
much larger potential to damage others around them, and in a larger radius.
I'm in favor of launches being segregated when space is an issue.

Quote:
> Personally, I was kinda surprised that Ezzy would refer to Robby Naish
> as a "has been".

Didn't see that in the portion of the article that was posted.  It would
surprise me too.
Wonder if Graham has even had the urge to try kiting?  Bet lots of his
buddies are into it....
 
 
 

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Post by (PeteCresswell » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:21:13

Per Charles L.:

Quote:
>Guess I fail to see how they are less location-specific?

Seems to me like kite surfing is more location-specific, not less
because of the additional concern about what's downwind...
--
PeteCresswell
 
 
 

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Post by kurt » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:29:42

"So bubonic plague equals kiting. It cleaned out the windsurfers that
were on the weaker side.

The has-been pros and those who weren't going to make it, and the
people who were sitting on

the fence who weren't that stoked about windsurfing - that's who kiting
took."

What other "has been pros" are kicking ass on kites, and/or making good
business selling & promoting kites?  Robby is, I think, the only one.
And, "bubonic plague equals kiting"(?)......Personally, I think Ezzy
sounds pretty sour grapes on the whole thing.  I was disappointed; Ezzy
is one of my heroes, but in this case, he sounds pretty tiny.

In our little corner of the world, some of the best sailors on the Big
Pond go both ways; it's just another set of skills for getting into the
wind.  Comparing some of the soul sailors I know to "bubonic plague" is
quite a bit over the top.

I never cease to be amazed that folks can't get along & find space for
each other; it's a freakin' ocean fer chrissakes.  I do agree
completely that obnoxious kiters are the worst; if they don't
understand that they gotta move to the periphery so that there is
access for all, they don't deserve wind.  I can imagine the Gorge
getting kinda messy, but it's a big chunk of water;  I've been in the
ditch enough to know that there's always someplace w/wide open spaces.
Heck, out east it's nothing but wide open space.

Maybe I think different because I remember getting run off of a lot of
beaches in the 80's w/my Mistral Competition SST; people thought it was
DANGEROUS!  Not.......

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:56:52

Quote:

> What other "has been pros" are kicking ass on kites, and/or making good
> business selling & promoting kites?

Hi Kurt,
Nobody is zackly "kicking ass on kites, and/or making good
business selling & promoting kites"...but, like David, I can think of at
least a dozen right off the top of my head...hell, maybe two dozen "has
been...never woulda been" windsurfing "pros"...that he may or may not
have been referring to...they were also referred to as the "B-team"...

Anyways, I personally think his theory is mostly right about a certain
segment of born-again kiters who turned their backs on
windsurfing...there were a bunch of wannabe pros and posers that jumped
on kiting initially to try and make a name for themselves...maybe they
didn't have their heart and soul into the glide of windsurfing to begin
with...

I've also seen quite a few lukewarm, mediocre, windsurfers gravitate to
kiting...and I've seen some of the same become lukewarm, mediocre
kiters...only now they have waaaay more safety gear on and don't move as

they are kewler...;-)

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:
> "So bubonic plague equals kiting. It cleaned out the windsurfers that
> were on the weaker side.

> The has-been pros and those who weren't going to make it, and the
> people who were sitting on

> the fence who weren't that stoked about windsurfing - that's who kiting
> took."

> What other "has been pros" are kicking ass on kites, and/or making good
> business selling & promoting kites?  Robby is, I think, the only one.
> And, "bubonic plague equals kiting"(?)......Personally, I think Ezzy
> sounds pretty sour grapes on the whole thing.  I was disappointed; Ezzy
> is one of my heroes, but in this case, he sounds pretty tiny.

> In our little corner of the world, some of the best sailors on the Big
> Pond go both ways; it's just another set of skills for getting into the
> wind.  Comparing some of the soul sailors I know to "bubonic plague" is
> quite a bit over the top.

> I never cease to be amazed that folks can't get along & find space for
> each other; it's a freakin' ocean fer chrissakes.  I do agree
> completely that obnoxious kiters are the worst; if they don't
> understand that they gotta move to the periphery so that there is
> access for all, they don't deserve wind.  I can imagine the Gorge
> getting kinda messy, but it's a big chunk of water;  I've been in the
> ditch enough to know that there's always someplace w/wide open spaces.
> Heck, out east it's nothing but wide open space.

> Maybe I think different because I remember getting run off of a lot of
> beaches in the 80's w/my Mistral Competition SST; people thought it was
> DANGEROUS!  Not.......