Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by weed.. » Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:36:34


Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:27 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A material developed to protect electronics
in nuclear weapons could resolve a shortage after the major supplier of
surfboard foam suddenly closed its doors late last year, officials said
on Monday.
Surfers worldwide reacted with shock and prices shot up in December
after the southern California company that invented the foam and
fiberglass process used in most surfboards went out of business. Its
owner, Gordon Clark, was apparently tired of fighting environmental
regulators over the foam blanks that he supplied to surfboard shapers
worldwide.

Reading about that crisis in the world of surfing got Leroy Whinnery
thinking. A polymer chemist at the Sandia National Laboratories, a
national security lab in Livermore, California, he had been working on
a foam material to protect the electronics in nuclear missiles.

"I read in the paper about the surfboard foam core manufacturer closing
his doors and thought that this foam that I had been working on, if we
could get it to lower density, could be relevant and help the surfing
community," he said.

The problem with the old surfboard foam was the presence of a toxic
chemical called TDI. The Sandia material, which they call TufFoam, does
not contain TDI.

Whinnery said he has made a mini two-foot long surfboard with the
material, and the lab -- which is operated by a Lockheed Martin Corp.
for the U.S. Department of Energy -- is now trying to license the
technology.

If surfboard makers are interested, the proceeds could even ultimately
help national security, a lab official said.

"Essentially the taxpayer gets a return on the investment. When we get
licensing revenue in, that gets pumped right back into additional
research that the lab does," said Scott Vaupen, a Sandia business
associate.

 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by Brian Foste » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:40:22

NASA to the rescue. And you thought we just spent $M of taxpayer money to
fly in space? Hell no.

True story.

Have you seen the bottle vending machines that drop glass bottles from the
top row down into a chute and you pick up your bottle down at the bottom of
the machine?

Snapple was the first company to make widespread use of them but now they
are all over. The concept of a "glass bottle drop" vending machine was only
made possible when someone used a product developed by NASA to cushion
Astronauts and their equipment. Other products were tried but none worked.

And yes, the hardest slots to keep in stock on a bottle drop vendor are the
top rows. Everyone wants to see a bottle break. Like going to a NASCAR race
to watch the crashes I guess....


Quote:
> Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

> Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:27 AM ET

> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A material developed to protect electronics
> in nuclear weapons could resolve a shortage after the major supplier of
> surfboard foam suddenly closed its doors late last year, officials said
> on Monday.
> Surfers worldwide reacted with shock and prices shot up in December
> after the southern California company that invented the foam and
> fiberglass process used in most surfboards went out of business. Its
> owner, Gordon Clark, was apparently tired of fighting environmental
> regulators over the foam blanks that he supplied to surfboard shapers
> worldwide.

> Reading about that crisis in the world of surfing got Leroy Whinnery
> thinking. A polymer chemist at the Sandia National Laboratories, a
> national security lab in Livermore, California, he had been working on
> a foam material to protect the electronics in nuclear missiles.

> "I read in the paper about the surfboard foam core manufacturer closing
> his doors and thought that this foam that I had been working on, if we
> could get it to lower density, could be relevant and help the surfing
> community," he said.

> The problem with the old surfboard foam was the presence of a toxic
> chemical called TDI. The Sandia material, which they call TufFoam, does
> not contain TDI.

> Whinnery said he has made a mini two-foot long surfboard with the
> material, and the lab -- which is operated by a Lockheed Martin Corp.
> for the U.S. Department of Energy -- is now trying to license the
> technology.

> If surfboard makers are interested, the proceeds could even ultimately
> help national security, a lab official said.

> "Essentially the taxpayer gets a return on the investment. When we get
> licensing revenue in, that gets pumped right back into additional
> research that the lab does," said Scott Vaupen, a Sandia business
> associate.


 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by LeeD » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:12:10

  Blah blah...
  With the demise and in spite of the end of Clark, most every foam
company is making claim they're the future of the industry.
  Just like 5 years ago...
  Just like 10 years ago...
  Just like 15 years ago..

 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by Glenn Woodel » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:32:32

I'm gonna start saving all my packing peanuts and build a board one
day.

Glenn


Quote:
>  Blah blah...
>  With the demise and in spite of the end of Clark, most every foam
>company is making claim they're the future of the industry.
>  Just like 5 years ago...
>  Just like 10 years ago...
>  Just like 15 years ago..

 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by LeeD » Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:37:12

  Packing peanuts is the white styrofoam your Cobra board is made
from...or at least it's the core.
  I made a bunch of kiteboards with discarded board packing styro, and
they are still alive, pressure lammed with 1/8" Luan Ply, single 6oz
cloth and WestSystems epoxy.
 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by tim_nitram_j.. » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:49:05

So a couple of my buddies I go surfing with work at Sandia.  One of
them talked to Leroy the day after the W.J. article came out and he was
already on it.  They've already got some samples out to local shapers.
The Discovery Channel is going to do a show on it and come out and film
them on the new boards.  I hope I get a chance to try one.

The interesting thing is what the foam is used for.   I asked him about
the foams properties, here's what he told me:

"The stuff is called Tuff-foam and is typically used for encapsulating
"sensitive" parts in "systems".   I guess a couple of the big
advantages are
that it's a close-cell foam which means it's much less likely to absorb

water if there is a break in the glass shell and it doesn't use some of

the
seriously *** chemicals that are used for traditional foam."

I love the euphamism for missles and ordinance, sad all these smart
guys workin' on missles.

-Tim

 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by pacspee » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:15:51

I'm kinda surprised Clark didnt just go to Tijuana to make foam. Aint
no EPA down there, and it's only an hour away!
 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by Brian Foste » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:38:21

No kidding, where there is a will there is a way. There's got to be more to
that story. I'm sure the guy is tired of hassling with EPA but there has to
be more than that. Low demand, increase in competition, something else. Or
maybe the guy is just happy with his fortune and says, I'm good, see ya.....


Quote:
> I'm kinda surprised Clark didnt just go to Tijuana to make foam. Aint
> no EPA down there, and it's only an hour away!

 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by Brian Foste » Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:39:48

Working on missiles pays really well. Lots of demand and chances for
continued employment look great!


Quote:
> So a couple of my buddies I go surfing with work at Sandia.  One of
> them talked to Leroy the day after the W.J. article came out and he was
> already on it.  They've already got some samples out to local shapers.
> The Discovery Channel is going to do a show on it and come out and film
> them on the new boards.  I hope I get a chance to try one.

> The interesting thing is what the foam is used for.   I asked him about
> the foams properties, here's what he told me:

> "The stuff is called Tuff-foam and is typically used for encapsulating
> "sensitive" parts in "systems".   I guess a couple of the big
> advantages are
> that it's a close-cell foam which means it's much less likely to absorb

> water if there is a break in the glass shell and it doesn't use some of

> the
> seriously *** chemicals that are used for traditional foam."

> I love the euphamism for missles and ordinance, sad all these smart
> guys workin' on missles.

> -Tim

 
 
 

Rocket science may hold key to surfing's future

Post by WARDO » Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:01:51

The story is all basically out there now in the public domain...
Grubby was old...rich...burned out...he tried to get his kids to take
over...his nose has been out of joint about epoxy boards for a long
time...he blackballed several shapers from getting his blanks when he
found out that they were trying to figure out epoxy...

He holds grudges against some long time big name shapers that signed
licensing agreements with Surftech...who wouldn't want to get $50-$100
per board and you didn't even have to personally shape it to have your
name on it?...

Every mold that he had, these were developed by numerous shapers over
decades, was destroyed under his command...

He depressed prices to thwart competition...some people think that he
could have been prosecuted for racketeering...

Doing business in Mexico is no piece of cake...
Walker Foam just found out that doing business in China is not a piece
o' cake, either...

He was swimming with sharks (lawyers)...several employees suing for
contracting cancer...

He owns a huge ranch in Oregon and likes to fish...at 76 how much time
do you think he has left?

There's a bunch of other reasons...some we know and some we don't...
Doesn't matter now...it's over...

Time to chill out and kick it...before it's too late...

p.s. Don't lose sleep on surfing's future...it's healthier than ever...
Surfers are amongst the most resourceful humans on the planet...

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:

> No kidding, where there is a will there is a way. There's got to be more to
> that story. I'm sure the guy is tired of hassling with EPA but there has to
> be more than that. Low demand, increase in competition, something else. Or
> maybe the guy is just happy with his fortune and says, I'm good, see ya.....



>>I'm kinda surprised Clark didnt just go to Tijuana to make foam. Aint
>>no EPA down there, and it's only an hour away!