Punta San Carlos

Punta San Carlos

Post by Kevin Trej » Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:00:00


For Details, Contact:

Kevin Trejo            
Solo Sports            
One Technology, Suite E-303
Irvine, CA 92618
(714) 453-1950  
(714) 453-8082 Fax

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Irvine, California, October 29, 1997: After several months of
controversy, representatives from both Solo Sports, an Irvine-based
adventure outfitter, and the Friends of San Carlos (FoSC), a grassroots
group of environmentally oriented wavesailors, met in San Diego on
Friday, October 10th regarding the future use of Punta San Carlos in
Baja, Mexico.

The session, attended by Solo co-owner Kevin Trejo, and six leading
members of the FoSC marked the first time the two parties had met in a
face-to-face session to discuss the scope of Solo's plans for the
popular but remote wavesailing point along Baja's Pacific coast. Rumors
over development at San Carlos had been swirling since Solo Sports
signed a 30-year lease with the property's owners to manage all camping
and sailing activities at San Carlos on August 16th 1997.

"I felt it was important to meet directly to explain what our plans
were, deal with any misconceptions that existed, and to point out that
there are a lot of different ideas on what San Carlos should be," Trejo
said of the meeting. "Some people want it to remain pristine while
others want a trailer park and a store. Right now, we have some basic
improvements in mind, but we are in a phase where we are taking advice
from everyone and I thought that it was essential to listen to the
Friends and try to clear up any confusion that existed."

Dedicated to keeping San Carlos a pristine wilderness area, the FoSC had
mounted a highly vocal campaign regarding what they perceived to be
Solo's plans to change the current rugged camping and sailing site.
Chief among the group's concerns were the issues of trash disposal and
the removal of existing trailers that had been left at the site.

The three-hour session held at a surfboard manufacturing facility in
Carlsbad allowed everyone to air their concerns and explore options that
would create an acceptable solution to all involved. By all accounts,
the meeting was a success.

"We felt the meeting was very constructive in many positive ways," said
FoSC founding member Dave Flower. "As we all know, San Carlos is one of
the most unique geographic locations in the entire world for camping and
windsurfing. We are extremely pleased that it is being preserved for
future generations by Solo Sports. We are also encouraged and in total
agreement with the idea of an open forum in regard to some of the
specific issues concerning San Carlos."

"Things went really well and we had a great exchange of ideas," Trejo
added. "I explained that we would be adding more outhouses in 1998 to
improve sanitation, we were working on plans to solve the trash problem,
and are looking at moving the trailers to a sectioned-off area that
would open up more of the bluff for camping. We're just getting started,
but a lot of good concepts came out of the meeting and we're certainly
looking forward to working with the FoSC to improve San Carlos in ways
that benefit everyone."

In addition to discussing long-term plans, Trejo explained that Solo had
established new camping rates for 1998 that would cost each car and
driver $5 per day, plus $2.50 for every additional person; children and
dogs would be allowed to camp for free. Season passes would also be
available for regular visitors. Previous rates had been $2 per car, per
day.

"I'd like to think and believe we reached a turning point and can all
work proactively towards a shared vision of this special area in Baja
through constructive means," the FoSC's Flower added. "After meeting, I
don't see that our 'vision' of the future being all that different and
it's my hope that the FoSC and Solo can work and support their shared
common goals for the benefit of the land, the sea, and the people who
visit there."

"I'm pleased. Our goal is to make San Carlos a pleasant experience for
everyone who visits it while also showing the landowners that they can
make a profit from the site," Trejo explained. "This is the only way to
ensure that surfers, windsurfers, and campers who love Baja can retain
access to the point and we're e***d about developing a solution where
everyone wins."

 
 
 

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Post by A Sandova » Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> >>For Details, Contact:

> >>Kevin Trejo
> >>Solo Sports
> >>One Technology, Suite E-303
> >>Irvine, CA 92618
> >>(714) 453-1950
> >>(714) 453-8082 Fax

> >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

> >>Irvine, California, October 29, 1997: After several months of
> >>controversy, representatives from both Solo Sports, an Irvine-based
> >>adventure outfitter, and the Friends of San Carlos (FoSC), a grassroots
> >>group of environmentally oriented wavesailors, met in San Diego on
> >>Friday, October 10th regarding the future use of Punta San Carlos in
> >>Baja, Mexico.  >

> >I've got just 4 questions. A simple yes or no please.

> >1.    Are you going to haul your trash out?
> >2.    Are you going to move your camp off the bluff?
> >3.    Are you ever going to build permanent structures?
> >4.    Are you going to oppose contests like the rest of us?

> >Thanks for joining the discussion

> >Rob Walker

> My, my, my said the spider to the fly
> Won't you come into my web

> Spit it out Kevin Blojo.... Yes or no

  My, my, my said all the curious ones, just who is willing to post this
kind of dirt without signing his name?
  Alan Sandoval
 The Water Planet

 
 
 

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Post by gilchri » Sat, 01 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>  My, my, my said all the curious ones, just who is willing to post this
>>kind of dirt without signing his name?
>>  Alan Sandoval
>> The Water Planet

>Obviously you don't give a shit about SC or your curiosity would be directed
>towards an answer to Rob Walker's four questions rather than what my real
>name is. So if you don't like it, don't read it.

Nobody will care about SC if its defenders behave as rudely as you.
Engage in reasoned debate and avoid the inflammatory messages, and you
might actually bring a few people onside instead of alienating them.
The real issues have been obscured by the animosity of people like you.
Why not tone it down and give us some well-thought-out arguments for
your position?  That's what we'll listen to and understand.

Thanks

Rae Gilchrist
Dept. of Psychology
U. of Western Ontario
London, ON, Canada

 
 
 

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Post by Ray B. Man » Sat, 01 Nov 1997 04:00:00

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:44:47 -0800, Kevin Trejo

Quote:

>For Details, Contact:

>Kevin Trejo        
>Solo Sports        
>One Technology, Suite E-303
>Irvine, CA 92618
>(714) 453-1950      
>(714) 453-8082 Fax

>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

>Irvine, California, October 29, 1997: After several months of
>controversy, representatives from both Solo Sports, an Irvine-based
>adventure outfitter, and the Friends of San Carlos (FoSC), a grassroots
>group of environmentally oriented wavesailors, met in San Diego on
>Friday, October 10th regarding the future use of Punta San Carlos in
>Baja, Mexico.

>The session, attended by Solo co-owner Kevin Trejo, and six leading
>members of the FoSC marked the first time the two parties had met in a
>face-to-face session to discuss the scope of Solo's plans for the
>popular but remote wavesailing point along Baja's Pacific coast. Rumors
>over development at San Carlos had been swirling since Solo Sports
>signed a 30-year lease with the property's owners to manage all camping
>and sailing activities at San Carlos on August 16th 1997.

>"I felt it was important to meet directly to explain what our plans
>were, deal with any misconceptions that existed, and to point out that
>there are a lot of different ideas on what San Carlos should be," Trejo
>said of the meeting. "Some people want it to remain pristine while
>others want a trailer park and a store. Right now, we have some basic
>improvements in mind, but we are in a phase where we are taking advice
>from everyone and I thought that it was essential to listen to the
>Friends and try to clear up any confusion that existed."

>Dedicated to keeping San Carlos a pristine wilderness area, the FoSC had
>mounted a highly vocal campaign regarding what they perceived to be
>Solo's plans to change the current rugged camping and sailing site.
>Chief among the group's concerns were the issues of trash disposal and
>the removal of existing trailers that had been left at the site.

>The three-hour session held at a surfboard manufacturing facility in
>Carlsbad allowed everyone to air their concerns and explore options that
>would create an acceptable solution to all involved. By all accounts,
>the meeting was a success.

>"We felt the meeting was very constructive in many positive ways," said
>FoSC founding member Dave Flower. "As we all know, San Carlos is one of
>the most unique geographic locations in the entire world for camping and
>windsurfing. We are extremely pleased that it is being preserved for
>future generations by Solo Sports. We are also encouraged and in total
>agreement with the idea of an open forum in regard to some of the
>specific issues concerning San Carlos."

>"Things went really well and we had a great exchange of ideas," Trejo
>added. "I explained that we would be adding more outhouses in 1998 to
>improve sanitation, we were working on plans to solve the trash problem,
>and are looking at moving the trailers to a sectioned-off area that
>would open up more of the bluff for camping. We're just getting started,
>but a lot of good concepts came out of the meeting and we're certainly
>looking forward to working with the FoSC to improve San Carlos in ways
>that benefit everyone."

>In addition to discussing long-term plans, Trejo explained that Solo had
>established new camping rates for 1998 that would cost each car and
>driver $5 per day, plus $2.50 for every additional person; children and
>dogs would be allowed to camp for free. Season passes would also be
>available for regular visitors. Previous rates had been $2 per car, per
>day.

>"I'd like to think and believe we reached a turning point and can all
>work proactively towards a shared vision of this special area in Baja
>through constructive means," the FoSC's Flower added. "After meeting, I
>don't see that our 'vision' of the future being all that different and
>it's my hope that the FoSC and Solo can work and support their shared
>common goals for the benefit of the land, the sea, and the people who
>visit there."

>"I'm pleased. Our goal is to make San Carlos a pleasant experience for
>everyone who visits it while also showing the landowners that they can
>make a profit from the site," Trejo explained. "This is the only way to
>ensure that surfers, windsurfers, and campers who love Baja can retain
>access to the point and we're e***d about developing a solution where
>everyone wins."

Morning Kevin,
   For the record, there are a number of misquotes in your press
release that in all fairness
should be corrected. The Friends of San Carlos consists of a group of
concerned visitors, not a
one man mission. I would appreciate a corrected re-issuing of your
'news release'. Thanks for
your time.
     Sincerely,
                  Dave Flower
***********************************************************************************************

<<"We felt the meeting was very constructive in many positive ways,"
said FoSC founding member
Dave Flower. "As we all
know, San Carlos is one of the most unique geographic locations in the
entire world for camping
and windsurfing. We are
extremely pleased that it is being preserved for future generations by
Solo Sports. We are also
encouraged and in total
agreement with the idea of an open forum in regard to some of the
specific issues concerning San
Carlos.">>
    The preceding paragraph is a direct quote that was sent to you in
a letter from the FoSC.
Whitney Guild was the main writer but the letter was drafted at a
meeting with ten of us in
attendance. Contributors included; Whitney Guild, John Harriman, Pete
Wright, Tim Valentine,
Matt Devol, Tom Hadfield, Greg Miller, Beth Lublin and myself. Also,
for future reference, I am
not 'THE' founding member of the FoSC, I'm just 'A' founding member.
-DF
***********************************************************************************************

     Thanks again Kevin for your attention in this matter. When can we
expect a 'direct'
response to the FoSC 'group letter' dated Oct. 20th ?

             Aloha 'aina,
                           Dave Flower

 
 
 

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Post by F.. » Sat, 01 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>>>  My, my, my said all the curious ones, just who is willing to post this
>>>kind of dirt without signing his name?
>>>  Alan Sandoval
>>> The Water Planet

>>Obviously you don't give a shit about SC or your curiosity would be directed
>>towards an answer to Rob Walker's four questions rather than what my real
>>name is. So if you don't like it, don't read it.

>Nobody will care about SC if its defenders behave as rudely as you.
>Engage in reasoned debate and avoid the inflammatory messages, and you
>might actually bring a few people onside instead of alienating them.
>The real issues have been obscured by the animosity of people like you.
>Why not tone it down and give us some well-thought-out arguments for
>your position?  That's what we'll listen to and understand.

>Thanks

>Rae Gilchrist
>Dept. of Psychology
>U. of Western Ontario
>London, ON, Canada

FYI Rae  The reasoned arguments (and not so reasoned) you requested
.......
<http://www.windsurf.net/friends/>  
 
 
 

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Post by Point Ride » Sat, 01 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Nobody will care about SC if its defenders behave as rudely as you.
>Engage in reasoned debate and avoid the inflammatory messages, and you
>might actually bring a few people onside instead of alienating them.

If we alienate you will you stay in Canada?

Quote:
>The real issues have been obscured by the animosity of people like you.
>Why not tone it down and give us some well-thought-out arguments for
>your position?  That's what we'll listen to and understand.

>Thanks

You're welcome. Please keep reading and we might end up on the same page
someday.

Quote:

>Rae Gilchrist
>Dept. of Psychology
>U. of Western Ontario
>London, ON, Canada

Gee doc, my therapist told me it was a good idea to vent my inner feelings
through an alter-ego.

The Friends of San Carlos are some really nice people. You might want to
check out their site www.windsurf.net/friends . As for me I'm still waiting
for the capitilist to anser the four magic questions,  the real issus as you
put it,  posed very politely by Rob Walker:

"I've got just 4 questions. A simple yes or no please.
1.    Are you going to haul your trash out?
2.    Are you going to move your camp off the bluff?
3.    Are you ever going to build permanent structures?
4.    Are you going to oppose contests like the rest of us?
Thanks for joining the discussion"

Until then,

Haywood Jablome

 
 
 

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Post by haywoodjabl.. » Thu, 06 Nov 1997 04:00:00

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:08:32 -0700, "Point Rider"

Quote:

>>Nobody will care about SC if its defenders behave as rudely as you.
>>Engage in reasoned debate and avoid the inflammatory messages, and you
>>might actually bring a few people onside instead of alienating them.

>If we alienate you will you stay in Canada?

>>The real issues have been obscured by the animosity of people like you.
>>Why not tone it down and give us some well-thought-out arguments for
>>your position?  That's what we'll listen to and understand.

>>Thanks

>You're welcome. Please keep reading and we might end up on the same page
>someday.

>>Rae Gilchrist
>>Dept. of Psychology
>>U. of Western Ontario
>>London, ON, Canada

>Gee doc, my therapist told me it was a good idea to vent my inner feelings
>through an alter-ego.

>The Friends of San Carlos are some really nice people. You might want to
>check out their site www.windsurf.net/friends . As for me I'm still waiting
>for the capitilist to anser the four magic questions,  the real issus as you
>put it,  posed very politely by Rob Walker:

>"I've got just 4 questions. A simple yes or no please.
>1.    Are you going to haul your trash out?
>2.    Are you going to move your camp off the bluff?
>3.    Are you ever going to build permanent structures?
>4.    Are you going to oppose contests like the rest of us?
>Thanks for joining the discussion"

>Until then,

>Haywood Jablome

  Subject: Forced out of  Exile from Sancarlosamania  

Baron von Point Rider-

   I was confused before but..... Either there's two of us or your
simply
thieving
my 'Nora' handle??
Its been hard enough growing up with the name 'Jablome'. The other
children
on the
playground were often so
cruel and mean. There always seemed to be the 'Kevin and Ron's' of the
world
taking
my lunch money.
 I've spent years in therapy with Dr. Gilchrist and members of the
FoSC.

   How 'bout you change
your name
to Haywood Jablome II(two) or Jablomealso ?? Maybe we could start our
own
support
group or something, cry
about the
pain and suffering, the emotional scars. How about a club and website,
the
Friends
of Haywood J.?

           Aloha Baron,

                   King Haywood the First
                    Sancarlosamania

 
 
 

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Post by Point Ride » Thu, 06 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:08:32 -0700, "Point Rider"

>Baron von Point Rider-

>   I was confused before but..... Either there's two of us or your
>simply
>thieving
>my 'Nora' handle??
>Its been hard enough growing up with the name 'Jablome'. The other
>children
>on the
>playground were often so
>cruel and mean. There always seemed to be the 'Kevin and Ron's' of the
>world
>taking
>my lunch money.
> I've spent years in therapy with Dr. Gilchrist and members of the
>FoSC.

>   How 'bout you change
>your name
>to Haywood Jablome II(two) or Jablomealso ?? Maybe we could start our
>own
>support
>group or something, cry
>about the
>pain and suffering, the emotional scars. How about a club and website,
>the
>Friends
>of Haywood J.?

>           Aloha Baron,

>                   King Haywood the First
>                    Sancarlosamania

Your lordship,

It was just a ploy to get you to return from exile. We've missed you and it
looks like the bullies are still a problem. There are some amongst us who
beleive you can negotiate with terrorists. I think not.

I look forward to seeing you on the playground.

Until then,

Bear Onn Dis

- Show quoted text -

 
 
 

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Post by Neau » Fri, 07 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Any hurricane damage at San Carlos this year?