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Drops, Gulftech, Windwing...

Post by Cliff Fros » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:00:32


Hi,

No more Sean Ordonez, no more Dave McCormick, no more Bill Hansen.  Is
John Chao really that pathetic?

        Cheers,
                Cliff

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:07:26

Hi Cliff,
Bill Hansen is a talented designer. I think we will continue to see
products with his DNA on them...and I hope that he can retain the
"WindWing" name...it would be sad if he doesn't succeed...
Kind of like Michael Jackson having publishing rights to the Beatle's
library...

Sounds like Don McCormick has long moved on to more esoteric pursuits in
Asia...however, it must be a punch in the stomach to have his signature
Gulftech RDMs on the market with only a 90 day warranty...especially,
when carbon booms that he manufactured 10 years ago are still being used...

I have talked with Sean Ordonez within the last 12 hours...he's well
beyond the things at Drops (and Quatro for that matter) that have

(Sean Ordonez Shapes) label...he has been busting a nut in Japan and
China, and it's getting closer to fruition...

He'll have a killer website up soon...
I've seen the layout and it's pretty kewl...
I've got a rough info page up with some pics on my site in the
interim...and fresh out of the oven are the latest plugs for his
production epoxy SUP's (stand up paddleboards boards)...
The SO 10'10" "Big Blue" and the SO 11'11" "Big Red"...like our PU
customs, they will have a mast track...

http://surfingsports.com/images/so_paddleboards_1010_1111.jpg

http://www.surfingsports.com/sean_ordonez_shapes.asp
http://surfingsports.com/standup_paddleboards/index.html
http://surfingsports.com/cali_standup_paddleboarding/index.html

Fortuitously, I'll be working with an ex-WW manager, helping to
distribute Sean's exciting new board line...
http://surfingsports.com/images/drops_waveboards1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/bobr2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/bobr3.jpg

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:

> Hi,

> No more Sean Ordonez, no more Dave McCormick, no more Bill Hansen.  Is
> John Chao really that pathetic?

>    Cheers,
>            Cliff


 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:56:39



Quote:
> Hi,

> No more Sean Ordonez, no more Dave McCormick,

It's Don, not Dave.

Quote:
> no more Bill Hansen.  Is
> John Chao really that pathetic?

>    Cheers,
>            Cliff

Apparently so....  And it hurts me to no end to read about Bill's
difficulties.  I know Don has been quite happy in his new life, so
hopefully Bill get can to the same kind of place.  

Windwing Black Diamonds were my first "real" sails - several of which
are still going strong in the hands of others (I sometimes wish I had
them back).  And the wife and I are still using 5 Gulftech booms that
Don built in Corpus, the oldest of which must be about 15 years by
now.  

I've never met Sean, but have heard nothing but good things about
him.  And I still remember discussions I had with Bill and Don over
beers.  These two are stand-up guys, who gave more to the sport out
of the enjoyment than over any monetary concerns.  They have a
passion that people like John Chao just don't understand.  All he
seems to see is dollars - as evidenced by his business practices.

I guess that to be a windsurfing retailer or manufacturer, you almost
have to expect to be financially poor, but spiritually rich.  Don and
Bill will always be welcome at my campfire, and I'd love to meet Sean
some day.

Dog
--
http://www.mariner-sails.com
http://www.thedoghouse.net

 
 
 

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Post by windmtn_p.. » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:58:29

Quote:

> I guess that to be a windsurfing retailer or manufacturer, you almost
> have to expect to be financially poor, but spiritually rich.

This goes for almost every activity that requires any passion.  Seems
the almighty $$ kills the pure motives, and only serves to create
coruption.  Greed is a fake immitation of passion.  Just look at the US
 Olympic team getting their butts kicked in Italy.  You would think
that the most powerful nation in the world would have the resources to
win a few gold medals 3 days into the competition?   Heck, even the
smallest & poorest nations are winning gold.
Quote:


> > Hi,

> > No more Sean Ordonez, no more Dave McCormick,

> It's Don, not Dave.

> > no more Bill Hansen.  Is
> > John Chao really that pathetic?

> >       Cheers,
> >               Cliff

> Apparently so....  And it hurts me to no end to read about Bill's
> difficulties.  I know Don has been quite happy in his new life, so
> hopefully Bill get can to the same kind of place.

> Windwing Black Diamonds were my first "real" sails - several of which
> are still going strong in the hands of others (I sometimes wish I had
> them back).  And the wife and I are still using 5 Gulftech booms that
> Don built in Corpus, the oldest of which must be about 15 years by
> now.

> I've never met Sean, but have heard nothing but good things about
> him.  And I still remember discussions I had with Bill and Don over
> beers.  These two are stand-up guys, who gave more to the sport out
> of the enjoyment than over any monetary concerns.  They have a
> passion that people like John Chao just don't understand.  All he
> seems to see is dollars - as evidenced by his business practices.

> I guess that to be a windsurfing retailer or manufacturer, you almost
> have to expect to be financially poor, but spiritually rich.  Don and
> Bill will always be welcome at my campfire, and I'd love to meet Sean
> some day.

> Dog
> --
> http://www.mariner-sails.com
> http://www.thedoghouse.net

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuser /FF » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:11


Quote:


>> I guess that to be a windsurfing retailer or manufacturer, you almost
>> have to expect to be financially poor, but spiritually rich.

> This goes for almost every activity that requires any passion.  Seems
> the almighty $$ kills the pure motives, and only serves to create
> coruption.  Greed is a fake immitation of passion.  Just look at the
> US  Olympic team getting their butts kicked in Italy.  You would think
> that the most powerful nation in the world would have the resources to
> win a few gold medals 3 days into the competition?   Heck, even the
> smallest & poorest nations are winning gold.

Nations winning gold? ...it's people, dude - at least lately, since the
games seem to become less of a competition between suppliers of
performance-enhancing ***.

Talking about which: the US snowboarding team seems to be doing okay...

Florian

 
 
 

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Post by windmtn_p.. » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:03:19

Quote:

> Nations winning gold? ...it's people, dude

Some nations work better as  team... especially in mens downhill.
Those skiers from Austria certainly worked great as a team.  Things
have changed for the US Olympic team, just as in pro sports, just as in
windsurfing.  Money and greed has certainly made things very different.

Quote:
> Talking about which: the US snowboarding team seems to be doing okay...

 Gotta admit..... flying tomato is really cool.  And hey-hey, we got
curling coming up tonight.... (
http://www.nbcolympics.com/curling/index.html  ), a sport that anyone
could do, even lazy couch potatoes.
 
 
 

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Post by mccorm.. » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:50:12

Hummm... I am getting my Dogs mixed up... so "The Dog" and "Wardog" are
two different people....

well, lookie... Mr. Texas Dog... send me an email to

the record...

Take care

Don

 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:02:11



Quote:
> Hummm... I am getting my Dogs mixed up... so "The Dog" and "Wardog" are
> two different people....

> well, lookie... Mr. Texas Dog... send me an email to

> the record...

> Take care

> Don

No worries Don...  I don't take it personally.   Email is on the way.  
Hope all is good for you over there.  You're missed in Texas.

Dog
--
http://www.mariner-sails.com
http://www.thedoghouse.net

 
 
 

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Post by wsurf » Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:20:25

Dog:

I am curious what Don says off the record. Fellow Texans want to know.

Email me if you need to.

Mark

 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:44:38

Well Mark,

If Don isn't willing to post it here, it's probably not something he
wants getting around via email unless he's doing the emailing....

Though that's not to say it might not make good campfire discussion
down at the coast sometime.  ;-)

Dog
~~~
http://www.mariner-sails.com
http://www.thedoghouse.net

 
 
 

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Post by wsurf » Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:02:10

I hear ya. You bring the brew...

 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:17:21

Don't I always?  Bring ice.

Dog
~~~
http://www.mariner-sails.com
http://www.thedoghouse.net