Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn this
move.
Not really getting anywhere near.....

Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use, how
long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it down ?

Cheers

Mark

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by TS » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Boom to boom in strong winds and boom, mast boom in light wind. For me
anyway.

While initiating the jibe, slide your foremost hand towards the mast. Lean a
little forward, sheet in and progressivly bank the board over. Hold this
position until the board is sailing straight down wind where you will feel
no power in the sail. Release the back hand and while the sail swings cross
yoyr arm over or under your forehand to grip the other boom 20 cm back.
Release the last hand and grip behind the lines. Keep on sailing. The
question about feet can someone else do.

If you think this is an easy manouver, think again. I have seen kids
learning the full forward loop long before they could do a desant jibe. It
will take you a while, but it is the cornerstone of sailing and the reward
is beond imagination.

TS


Quote:
> I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn
this
> move.
> Not really getting anywhere near.....

> Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use, how
> long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it down
?

> Cheers

> Mark


 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by duboi » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I think Mark was talking about a trick slightly more complex than the
regular jibe !!!!!

Francois

Quote:

> Boom to boom in strong winds and boom, mast boom in light wind. For me
> anyway.

> While initiating the jibe, slide your foremost hand towards the mast. Lean a
> little forward, sheet in and progressivly bank the board over. Hold this
> position until the board is sailing straight down wind where you will feel
> no power in the sail. Release the back hand and while the sail swings cross
> yoyr arm over or under your forehand to grip the other boom 20 cm back.
> Release the last hand and grip behind the lines. Keep on sailing. The
> question about feet can someone else do.

> If you think this is an easy manouver, think again. I have seen kids
> learning the full forward loop long before they could do a desant jibe. It
> will take you a while, but it is the cornerstone of sailing and the reward
> is beond imagination.

> TS



> > I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn
> this
> > move.
> > Not really getting anywhere near.....

> > Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use, how
> > long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it down
> ?

> > Cheers

> > Mark


 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by ed leno » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn this
> move.
> Not really getting anywhere near.....

> Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use, how
> long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it down ?

> Cheers

> Mark

Have a look at:
http://www.stehsegelrevue.de/moves/airjibe.html

The mpg at the end of the page is unbelievably good.
I saw our local expert doing a vulcan the other day and what impressed me was
the speed of it. He changed sides of the sail in what was  literally a blink of
an eye, but I'm pretty sure it was boom to boom - there wasn't any time for mast
handling.

Ed

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mewindsu » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Josh Stone himself said it was simply a matter of preference to how you get to
the other side of the sail.(he goes boom, mast, boom)  Two main points that he
made were to had off the wind because you don't have to get the board around as
far, and to not jump high when doing them.  He said it is much easier to land
off a low jump because you won't sink the tail.

I started getting closer with this advise.  I hope it helps you too.

Mike

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for the reply
I actually meant the Vulcan, but perhaps this is true for the difference in
rig changes.

Mark


Quote:
> Boom to boom in strong winds and boom, mast boom in light wind. For me
> anyway.

> While initiating the jibe, slide your foremost hand towards the mast. Lean
a
> little forward, sheet in and progressivly bank the board over. Hold this
> position until the board is sailing straight down wind where you will feel
> no power in the sail. Release the back hand and while the sail swings
cross
> yoyr arm over or under your forehand to grip the other boom 20 cm back.
> Release the last hand and grip behind the lines. Keep on sailing. The
> question about feet can someone else do.

> If you think this is an easy manouver, think again. I have seen kids
> learning the full forward loop long before they could do a desant jibe. It
> will take you a while, but it is the cornerstone of sailing and the reward
> is beond imagination.

> TS



> > I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn
> this
> > move.
> > Not really getting anywhere near.....

> > Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use,
how
> > long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it
down
> ?

> > Cheers

> > Mark

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Thanks, this is a very good sequence, I had seen it before  n my search for
knowledge!

I have a months holiday in which to practice in lets hope I can crack
it........

Mark


Quote:

> > I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn
this
> > move.
> > Not really getting anywhere near.....

> > Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use,
how
> > long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it
down ?

> > Cheers

> > Mark

> Have a look at:
> http://www.stehsegelrevue.de/moves/airjibe.html

> The mpg at the end of the page is unbelievably good.
> I saw our local expert doing a vulcan the other day and what impressed me
was
> the speed of it. He changed sides of the sail in what was  literally a
blink of
> an eye, but I'm pretty sure it was boom to boom - there wasn't any time
for mast
> handling.

> Ed

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

This sounds good advice, I have tried all of them high, 4,5 feet from big
waves as it seems safer doing it this way.

Hope you get them soon!

I am sailing tomorrow so I will see how I get on with all this advice.

I have a months holiday coming up in two weeks lets hope I can crack
it........


Quote:
> Josh Stone himself said it was simply a matter of preference to how you
get to
> the other side of the sail.(he goes boom, mast, boom)  Two main points
that he
> made were to had off the wind because you don't have to get the board
around as
> far, and to not jump high when doing them.  He said it is much easier to
land
> off a low jump because you won't sink the tail.

> I started getting closer with this advise.  I hope it helps you too.

> Mike

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
> Thanks for all the advice, I will try to out it to good use, WIND Tomorow!

Yipeeeeeee...........................................

Mark

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> I  am currently faceplanting in a cloud of spay, whilst trying to learn this
> move.
FUn, isn't it?
> Not really getting anywhere near.....

> Of those stars out there who can do it, which hand change do you use, how
> long did it take you to learn and have you any other tips to break it down ?

Can't really do them with  any consistency yet myself but getting
nearer: Only 50% explosion, in the other cases flipping the rig works
well and i mostly just don't get the board around far enough.
I once had a chat with Peter Garzke, a quite hot freestyler from
Germany, and asked him exactly your question: He said that it does no
matter how to flip the sail, he's doing boo-to-boom himself whereas
others, like Josh Stone, always grab the mast. Some think that the Spock
i easier when grabbing the mast however, so if you plan on learning this
move as well you may want to practice the volcans the same way. But i
think that the sail flip isn't the problem if you can jibe reasonably
well and controlled. It's more the coordination of jumping, turning the
board and reversing the direction of travel after landing. For the first
part it seems to help to look over the back shoulder upon leaving the
water. Jumping on a brad reach also seems sensible. For getting going, i
hope i can tell you more in three weeks from now, after acation...

--
Wolfgang

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Good wind 4.5m and 255 all day but alas no Vulcans to be seen....

Mark

 
 
 

Vulcan hands, boom to boom or boom mast boom?

Post by Mark Dowso » Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I hope you have some success, where are you going on holiday?

I am going away for 4 weeks soon, I hope to crack the move then.

I think looking back helps, and tucking your back foot under your bum helps
to get the board around 180!

Cheers

Mark


Quote:
> Can't really do them with  any consistency yet myself but getting
> nearer: Only 50% explosion, in the other cases flipping the rig works
> well and i mostly just don't get the board around far enough.
> I once had a chat with Peter Garzke, a quite hot freestyler from
> Germany, and asked him exactly your question: He said that it does no
> matter how to flip the sail, he's doing boo-to-boom himself whereas
> others, like Josh Stone, always grab the mast. Some think that the Spock
> i easier when grabbing the mast however, so if you plan on learning this
> move as well you may want to practice the volcans the same way. But i
> think that the sail flip isn't the problem if you can jibe reasonably
> well and controlled. It's more the coordination of jumping, turning the
> board and reversing the direction of travel after landing. For the first
> part it seems to help to look over the back shoulder upon leaving the
> water. Jumping on a brad reach also seems sensible. For getting going, i
> hope i can tell you more in three weeks from now, after acation...

> --
> Wolfgang