Windsight

Windsight

Post by Micro Foreca » Fri, 25 Jun 1993 05:54:49


Just wondering if anyone had any comments about Windsight in the Columbia
River Gorge, and at the Oregon Coast?

Good?
Bad?
Worth It?
Sugjestions?

Please Email to:

attention Bob Camp

 
 
 

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Post by Will Est » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 15:09:53

: Just wondering if anyone had any comments about Windsight in the Columbia
: River Gorge, and at the Oregon Coast?

: Good?
: Bad?
: Worth It?
: Sugjestions?

Windsight in the Gorge is fantastic, because they have their own
sensors on the river taking minute-by-minute data.  This gives them
a detailed profile that puts the National Weather Service data to
shame.  They have software to graph it all, and it's pretty neat
stuff.

The Bay Area equivalent software is good, but not as good, because
it uses just the NWS data.  I sure wish we could talk those guys
into putting their meters here in the Bay.

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Post by Ken Berg » Wed, 30 Jun 1993 00:18:37

Quote:

>Just wondering if anyone had any comments about Windsight in the Columbia
>River Gorge, and at the Oregon Coast?
>Good?
>Bad?
>Worth It?
>Sugjestions?

In general, I would say Windsight is worth it.  It seems like more
Seattle area sailors use it than Portland area sailors (but I would
too if I had triple my current drive).

I like using it when I'm heading way east.  I don't like getting
sucked out to the desert unless I know it it blowin' out there.
When I'm heading to The Wall or Rufus, I'm listening for good
numbers at Maryhill Bridge.  The extended forecast feature is nice
too.  I also like that Windsight has added Manzanita to it's
"current wind speeds" option.

Like any weather forecast system, Windsight is not accurate ALL the
time.  Witness yesterday.  WIndsight was calling for nuklear winds,
30-40 mph by afternoon from Arlington to 3 Mile Canyon.  From what I
heard, you guys sure sucked a lot of sailors way out to 3 Mile
yesterday only to find 5.5, big board conditions.  At least the fuel
companies are smilin'.  Maybe it got good after my friends left at 4
p.m.

Quote:
>Please Email to:

>attention Bob Camp

I will.  I thought that there would be enough general interest that
I would post a reply.

ObSailing/Injury report:  I got out Saturday at Doug's West on a 4.2
and an 8'6".  I tried to keep it mellow on my 1 week old sprained
ankle.  With my good, right foot forward, sailing was fine.  With my
sprained ankle forward, it was painfull at times.  Wiggling my foot
into the strap once on a plane was very painfull.  I had no idea how
much the ankle constantly adjusts board angle while sailing along.

My friend Russ (aspiring looper from The Bay area)broke his collar
bone late on Saturday when a loop attempt went sour.  He made a full
rotation and kept on rotating.  He landed and slammed his
shoulderblade/ collar bone into his boom.  He later ended up at HR
emergency.  I'm glad I have "only" a sprain!  

Stay safe!

Ken

 
 
 

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Post by Eric Hir » Wed, 30 Jun 1993 05:30:17

Quote:


>: Just wondering if anyone had any comments about Windsight in the Columbia
>: River Gorge, and at the Oregon Coast?

>: Good?
>: Bad?
>: Worth It?
>: Sugjestions?

>Windsight in the Gorge is fantastic, because they have their own
>sensors on the river taking minute-by-minute data.  This gives them
>a detailed profile that puts the National Weather Service data to
>shame.  They have software to graph it all, and it's pretty neat
>stuff.

Being a contrarian at heart, I'll throw in a few comments in the other
direction.  First, Windsight's weekend forecasts are almost always for
wind, regardless of what actually happens.  This past weekend, each day's
forecast for "tomorrow" was 30+; it probably actually blew 30+
somewhere, but there's no indication as to how flukey/holey it
was going to be, or the difficulty involved in actually finding wind :-(.  

The problem with their forecasts is compounded by the placement of
their gauges.  For instance, it blew 4.0 or harder at Doug's most
of Saturday.  However, calls to Windsight from 11-1 revealed winds
of roughly 17-23 mph, definitely not 4.0 weather, which would normally
be 23-28 or so.  The discrepancy was due to the SW cant of the wind,
but that's not reported, so how can you tell?  Plus, if you're at
the hatchery, it's a pain to go make a phone call, and the hatchery->
doug's transition is probably the most common one during the day.

The coast forecasts seem to be no more and no less useful than the NWS
marine advisories, which are a lot cheaper... :-)  The coast windwatchers
are fairly useless, "Blah di da blah, come on down the wind will be
great", which tells you nothing over the bouy reports generally,
and unless you know the person you can't calibrate wave quality or
anything like that.

My final gripe is that the whole service could be made more useful.
Why not a nice laminated card that tells you for a given wind
direction how much low or high each gauge reads?  Why not a
day-end round up, what happened where you didn't go, so you can
learn more about weather patterns?  And above all, why not a measure
of confidence (like we *know* it's going to nuke, it *might* nuke,
and hey, we *hope* it will happen) in the forecasts?

Is it worth it?  Definitely.  But it's not a solution in and of itself,
not that they sell it that way.  It'd be better if I had a cellular
phone in my van... :-|  All in all, it's not hugely differenet from
the CB net that Bingen Bart used to use to get wind reports from
truckers on I-84.  There's a lot that could be done more; adding
more history to the wind reports, customized site preferences,
etcetera, but even in it's present form it's still useful.  

Quote:
>The Bay Area equivalent software is good, but not as good, because
>it uses just the NWS data.  I sure wish we could talk those guys
>into putting their meters here in the Bay.

The New England service was also good; they weren't in the forecasting
business, but the marine weather radio solves that once you know how
to interpret it.  They also used to have a booklet with lots of
weather data and interpretation schemes.  You also got to pick your
sites and which order you wanted them to report in (by favorite beach
or order on the coast, or whatever).

Rolland Waters

 
 
 

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Post by Kevin Krueg » Thu, 01 Jul 1993 02:35:54

I remember seeing a computer program which predicted the winds in the Gorge.  I
think they advertised in Windsurf.  What were their sources for inputs and was it
useful?  

Kevin