Sail Quivers

Sail Quivers

Post by Alspac » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Where in Rochester did you live? I used to live on Lake Road and sailed off my backyard.
Every weekend was a bit of an overstatement but it did happen quite often. For my weight
I would use a 3.5 and a 60-65 Liter board if I was that good. But I aint, maybe someday.
Thanks for the comments and talk to you later. Jay
Quote:

> Alspach:

> What a coincidence - I used to live in Rochester too.  But not during my sailing days.

> If they sail on 60L boards and 3.0 - 3.5 sails every weekend, then Rochester NY must
> be the wind capitol of the USA.

> My home launch is on Lake Michigan, so I am quite familiar with Great lakes
> conditions, and I gotta tell you that it is RARE indeed to see people on 3.5's on the
> lake.

> I use my 9.5 and 7.5 more than any other sails.  6.0 somewhat and 5.0 infrequently.

> Tom - Chicago


> > Tom,
> >         I used to live in Rochester and sailed on Ontario and they used 60 liter
> > boards and 3.0-3.5 sails every weekend. There is very good wind there. Why would I
> > not be sailing in the Great Lakes? I learned in the great lakes and sail 50% of
> > the time there. Not in those conditions but in 5.5. The waves get to 10-12 foot
> > swells and there is sometimes so much wind that nobody goes out. There is a broad
> > spectrum of conditions there but they do use tiny gear.


> > > Alspach:

> > > If in Vermont, you definitely will NOT be sailing on the Great Lakes.  I dono't
> > > know the winds in Vermont, but I suspect that they rarely use 70 L boards and
> > > 3.5 - 4.0 sails.

> > > Tom - Chicago


> > > > Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
> > > > lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
> > > > intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
> > > > Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
> > > > the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay



> > > > > > I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
> > > > > > would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
> > > > > > 10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
> > > > > > Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
> > > > > > sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
> > > > > > the Flow board? Thanks

> > > > > Where do you sail and what kind of sailing? At your weight the Vision
> > > > > and a 7.3 sail already seem mighty big (120 pounds is 55 kg i think?) so
> > > > > i wouldn't think anything bigger would be needed.
> > > > > Imho the Flow can easily carry something up to 6.5 at your weight, maybe
> > > > > a Volcano or Tonic,if you want to stay with North. Otoh, it's certainly
> > > > > possible to hold on to the 7.3 untill the 5.5 works. Whether it makes
> > > > > sense is the next question: Imho it's OK for flat water blasting if you
> > > > > already can jibe. For bump&jump style sailing, tricks and also for
> > > > > learning planing jibes something inbetween does make sense: A 7.3 is
> > > > > already pretty big for learning to jibe for a small person, in fully
> > > > > powered 5.5 weather it's often already pretty choppy.

> > > > > The pyro certainly works on the flow although i don't think it's the
> > > > > ideal sail for that kind of board, with it's camber and the relatively
> > > > > long booms. For straight line sailing, something like the Tonic (again,
> > > > > if you want to stay with North, other brands certainly do have
> > > > > equivalent sails in their lineup) or, if you want cambers, the zoom
> > > > > would be OK, personally i'd prefer a more manouver oriented sail like
> > > > > the Volcano or Style even on flat water. Btw., don't get the Vodoo if
> > > > > you don't do real waveriding, these sails are good (although trim
> > > > > sensible) wave sails but no b&j sails. All said, i'd keep the 5.5 for
> > > > > the moment if money is anything to be considered.

> > > > > If you really sail in more than 25 knots of sustained winds (i see
> > > > > you're from France, so if you go to the meditarene coast it's almost
> > > > > certain to be that windy at times), you definitely need something
> > > > > smaller than 5.5. Something around 4.7 - 4.8 probabely is the best
> > > > > compromise between range and economy. 5.0 would give you a bit of
> > > > > overlap, 4.5 would probabely leave you with some gap, depending on the
> > > > > type of sail. For frequent sailing in 30 knots of sustained wind,
> > > > > something even smaller, say 4.2 and possibly 3.7 would also be the call.
> > > > > If you don't plan on frequently sailing these conditions, don't pay a
> > > > > lot of money for these sails, there should be good used deals available.
> > > > > I also suspect the around 4.5 is the smallest sail somebody of your
> > > > > weight can comfortably sail on the Flow but that again depends on where
> > > > > you sail / how choppy it is and how you sail.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Wolfgang

 
 
 

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Post by Alspac » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Yuri,
        Instead of bothering you for the program would multiplying by 1.15
or 1.25 do the same thing? And vic-versa for downsizing sails? Thanks alot
for the help. Jay
Quote:

> One of the ways to figure out balanced sail quiver is by using percent
> increments not the meters.  Start with the sail size you use the most
> then add 20%(for example) for next size up and subtract 20% for the
> next size down.  Go to the next size up, you've just figured out,
> calculate 20% of that and add to get even larger sail.  Work your way
> both ways from your favorite sail size.  You can go to 25% spread or
> 15% spread whatever makes sense to you or your pocket.  I actually have
> a little Excell program that would let you play with this idea.  If you
> want it drop me a line.  Use it wisely, and remember, no program can
> replace real experience of your local sailors.

> Yuri.
> Rochester, NY.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


 
 
 

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Post by Steven Sla » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I checked using percentages and I use the 20% rule (roughly) and have been
happy with it so far.

9.5
7.0 (and 7.5 for longboard racing)
6.0
5.0
4.2

Steve.

Quote:

> One of the ways to figure out balanced sail quiver is by using percent
> increments not the meters.  Start with the sail size you use the most
> then add 20%(for example) for next size up and subtract 20% for the
> next size down.  Go to the next size up, you've just figured out,
> calculate 20% of that and add to get even larger sail.  Work your way
> both ways from your favorite sail size.  You can go to 25% spread or
> 15% spread whatever makes sense to you or your pocket.  I actually have
> a little Excell program that would let you play with this idea.  If you
> want it drop me a line.  Use it wisely, and remember, no program can
> replace real experience of your local sailors.

> Yuri.
> Rochester, NY.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

--
 "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is
that it has never tried to contact us" (Bill Watterson)                    

 
 
 

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Post by Alspac » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

For a Mistral Vision 130  the manufacturer said a 8.0 is the biggest sail.
They also said the 150's biggest sail should be a 8.5 but windsurfing magazine
said a 9.5 should work fine. What is the biggest sail I could use with the
130? I think the 7.3 is enough for me in 10 knots and I only weigh 120. Does
this sound right to anybody else? thanks. Jay
Quote:

> I checked using percentages and I use the 20% rule (roughly) and have been
> happy with it so far.

> 9.5
> 7.0 (and 7.5 for longboard racing)
> 6.0
> 5.0
> 4.2

> Steve.


> > One of the ways to figure out balanced sail quiver is by using percent
> > increments not the meters.  Start with the sail size you use the most
> > then add 20%(for example) for next size up and subtract 20% for the
> > next size down.  Go to the next size up, you've just figured out,
> > calculate 20% of that and add to get even larger sail.  Work your way
> > both ways from your favorite sail size.  You can go to 25% spread or
> > 15% spread whatever makes sense to you or your pocket.  I actually have
> > a little Excell program that would let you play with this idea.  If you
> > want it drop me a line.  Use it wisely, and remember, no program can
> > replace real experience of your local sailors.

> > Yuri.
> > Rochester, NY.

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

> --
>  "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is
> that it has never tried to contact us" (Bill Watterson)

 
 
 

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Post by Anthony Han » Sun, 13 Aug 2000 04:00:00

this quiver works fine for me;
8.3 NP z1;
7.0 NP v8
6.0 NP v6
5.0 NP mpr
cheers/ Tony Hand
Quote:

>I checked using percentages and I use the 20% rule (roughly) and have been
>happy with it so far.

>9.5
>7.0 (and 7.5 for longboard racing)
>6.0
>5.0
>4.2

>Steve.


>> One of the ways to figure out balanced sail quiver is by using percent
>> increments not the meters.  Start with the sail size you use the most
>> then add 20%(for example) for next size up and subtract 20% for the
>> next size down.  Go to the next size up, you've just figured out,
>> calculate 20% of that and add to get even larger sail.  Work your way
>> both ways from your favorite sail size.  You can go to 25% spread or
>> 15% spread whatever makes sense to you or your pocket.  I actually have
>> a little Excell program that would let you play with this idea.  If you
>> want it drop me a line.  Use it wisely, and remember, no program can
>> replace real experience of your local sailors.

>> Yuri.
>> Rochester, NY.

>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.

>--
> "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is
>that it has never tried to contact us" (Bill Watterson)

 
 
 

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Post by Wal » Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:00:00

How many masts and booms do you need for those?


Quote:
> this quiver works fine for me;
> 8.3 NP z1;
> 7.0 NP v8
> 6.0 NP v6
> 5.0 NP mpr
> cheers/ Tony Hand


> >I checked using percentages and I use the 20% rule (roughly) and have
been
> >happy with it so far.

> >9.5
> >7.0 (and 7.5 for longboard racing)
> >6.0
> >5.0
> >4.2

> >Steve.


> >> One of the ways to figure out balanced sail quiver is by using percent
> >> increments not the meters.  Start with the sail size you use the most
> >> then add 20%(for example) for next size up and subtract 20% for the
> >> next size down.  Go to the next size up, you've just figured out,
> >> calculate 20% of that and add to get even larger sail.  Work your way
> >> both ways from your favorite sail size.  You can go to 25% spread or
> >> 15% spread whatever makes sense to you or your pocket.  I actually have
> >> a little Excell program that would let you play with this idea.  If you
> >> want it drop me a line.  Use it wisely, and remember, no program can
> >> replace real experience of your local sailors.

> >> Yuri.
> >> Rochester, NY.

> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >> Before you buy.

> >--
> > "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
is
> >that it has never tried to contact us" (Bill Watterson)