Sail Quivers

Sail Quivers

Post by Alspac » Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:00:00


I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
the Flow board? Thanks
 
 
 

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Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Wed, 09 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
> would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
> 10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
> Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
> sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
> the Flow board? Thanks

Where do you sail and what kind of sailing? At your weight the Vision
and a 7.3 sail already seem mighty big (120 pounds is 55 kg i think?) so
i wouldn't think anything bigger would be needed.
Imho the Flow can easily carry something up to 6.5 at your weight, maybe
a Volcano or Tonic,if you want to stay with North. Otoh, it's certainly
possible to hold on to the 7.3 untill the 5.5 works. Whether it makes
sense is the next question: Imho it's OK for flat water blasting if you
already can jibe. For bump&jump style sailing, tricks and also for
learning planing jibes something inbetween does make sense: A 7.3 is
already pretty big for learning to jibe for a small person, in fully
powered 5.5 weather it's often already pretty choppy.

The pyro certainly works on the flow although i don't think it's the
ideal sail for that kind of board, with it's camber and the relatively
long booms. For straight line sailing, something like the Tonic (again,
if you want to stay with North, other brands certainly do have
equivalent sails in their lineup) or, if you want cambers, the zoom
would be OK, personally i'd prefer a more manouver oriented sail like
the Volcano or Style even on flat water. Btw., don't get the Vodoo if
you don't do real waveriding, these sails are good (although trim
sensible) wave sails but no b&j sails. All said, i'd keep the 5.5 for
the moment if money is anything to be considered.

If you really sail in more than 25 knots of sustained winds (i see
you're from France, so if you go to the meditarene coast it's almost
certain to be that windy at times), you definitely need something
smaller than 5.5. Something around 4.7 - 4.8 probabely is the best
compromise between range and economy. 5.0 would give you a bit of
overlap, 4.5 would probabely leave you with some gap, depending on the
type of sail. For frequent sailing in 30 knots of sustained wind,
something even smaller, say 4.2 and possibly 3.7 would also be the call.
If you don't plan on frequently sailing these conditions, don't pay a
lot of money for these sails, there should be good used deals available.
I also suspect the around 4.5 is the smallest sail somebody of your
weight can comfortably sail on the Flow but that again depends on where
you sail / how choppy it is and how you sail.
--
Wolfgang

 
 
 

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Post by Alspac » Wed, 09 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay
Quote:


> > I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
> > would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
> > 10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
> > Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
> > sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
> > the Flow board? Thanks

> Where do you sail and what kind of sailing? At your weight the Vision
> and a 7.3 sail already seem mighty big (120 pounds is 55 kg i think?) so
> i wouldn't think anything bigger would be needed.
> Imho the Flow can easily carry something up to 6.5 at your weight, maybe
> a Volcano or Tonic,if you want to stay with North. Otoh, it's certainly
> possible to hold on to the 7.3 untill the 5.5 works. Whether it makes
> sense is the next question: Imho it's OK for flat water blasting if you
> already can jibe. For bump&jump style sailing, tricks and also for
> learning planing jibes something inbetween does make sense: A 7.3 is
> already pretty big for learning to jibe for a small person, in fully
> powered 5.5 weather it's often already pretty choppy.

> The pyro certainly works on the flow although i don't think it's the
> ideal sail for that kind of board, with it's camber and the relatively
> long booms. For straight line sailing, something like the Tonic (again,
> if you want to stay with North, other brands certainly do have
> equivalent sails in their lineup) or, if you want cambers, the zoom
> would be OK, personally i'd prefer a more manouver oriented sail like
> the Volcano or Style even on flat water. Btw., don't get the Vodoo if
> you don't do real waveriding, these sails are good (although trim
> sensible) wave sails but no b&j sails. All said, i'd keep the 5.5 for
> the moment if money is anything to be considered.

> If you really sail in more than 25 knots of sustained winds (i see
> you're from France, so if you go to the meditarene coast it's almost
> certain to be that windy at times), you definitely need something
> smaller than 5.5. Something around 4.7 - 4.8 probabely is the best
> compromise between range and economy. 5.0 would give you a bit of
> overlap, 4.5 would probabely leave you with some gap, depending on the
> type of sail. For frequent sailing in 30 knots of sustained wind,
> something even smaller, say 4.2 and possibly 3.7 would also be the call.
> If you don't plan on frequently sailing these conditions, don't pay a
> lot of money for these sails, there should be good used deals available.
> I also suspect the around 4.5 is the smallest sail somebody of your
> weight can comfortably sail on the Flow but that again depends on where
> you sail / how choppy it is and how you sail.
> --
> Wolfgang


 
 
 

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Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
> lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
> intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
> Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
> the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay

Ultimately, a board in the 70 -75 l volume range will be desired, if you
keep on progressing and sailing in decent winds. I'd wait with that a
bit however untill you can at least do planing jibes and know a bit
better what you want. If you don't frequent really windy areas (Leucate
or the GOrge or something like that), a sail under 4.0 wouldn't be my
priority as well. I'd first get the gear which allows you to sail more
of the days which are still somehow managable and more frequent.
--
Wolfgang
 
 
 

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Post by Jakub Moscick » Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
> Hey, I just moved to France(Paris) and you should definitely go to
> Leucate. That is the best place that I know of.

Thanks! One more question. One the map I can see big, internal lake close
to the sea (Etang de Leucate). Is it also possible to surf in this lake in
case the wind is too strong on the sea (there are some beginners between
us) ?

Cheers.

kuba

-------------------------------------------------------------
      mow mi KUBA     call me KUBA     appelle-moi KUBA
-------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

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Post by Alspac » Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Thanks alot. I cant jibe worth beans so I will stick with the flow and vision
until I progress more. Talking about 70 liter boards, I saw the AHD Maui Force
baords and they look awesome. Have you heard or seen anything on them? Again,
Thanks for the advice, it has definitely helped me out a ton.  Talk to you later.
Jay
Quote:


> > Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
> > lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
> > intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
> > Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
> > the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay

> Ultimately, a board in the 70 -75 l volume range will be desired, if you
> keep on progressing and sailing in decent winds. I'd wait with that a
> bit however untill you can at least do planing jibes and know a bit
> better what you want. If you don't frequent really windy areas (Leucate
> or the GOrge or something like that), a sail under 4.0 wouldn't be my
> priority as well. I'd first get the gear which allows you to sail more
> of the days which are still somehow managable and more frequent.
> --
> Wolfgang

 
 
 

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Post by Tom - Chicag » Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Alspach:

If in Vermont, you definitely will NOT be sailing on the Great Lakes.  I dono't
know the winds in Vermont, but I suspect that they rarely use 70 L boards and
3.5 - 4.0 sails.

Tom - Chicago

Quote:

> Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
> lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
> intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
> Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
> the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay



> > > I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
> > > would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
> > > 10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
> > > Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
> > > sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
> > > the Flow board? Thanks

> > Where do you sail and what kind of sailing? At your weight the Vision
> > and a 7.3 sail already seem mighty big (120 pounds is 55 kg i think?) so
> > i wouldn't think anything bigger would be needed.
> > Imho the Flow can easily carry something up to 6.5 at your weight, maybe
> > a Volcano or Tonic,if you want to stay with North. Otoh, it's certainly
> > possible to hold on to the 7.3 untill the 5.5 works. Whether it makes
> > sense is the next question: Imho it's OK for flat water blasting if you
> > already can jibe. For bump&jump style sailing, tricks and also for
> > learning planing jibes something inbetween does make sense: A 7.3 is
> > already pretty big for learning to jibe for a small person, in fully
> > powered 5.5 weather it's often already pretty choppy.

> > The pyro certainly works on the flow although i don't think it's the
> > ideal sail for that kind of board, with it's camber and the relatively
> > long booms. For straight line sailing, something like the Tonic (again,
> > if you want to stay with North, other brands certainly do have
> > equivalent sails in their lineup) or, if you want cambers, the zoom
> > would be OK, personally i'd prefer a more manouver oriented sail like
> > the Volcano or Style even on flat water. Btw., don't get the Vodoo if
> > you don't do real waveriding, these sails are good (although trim
> > sensible) wave sails but no b&j sails. All said, i'd keep the 5.5 for
> > the moment if money is anything to be considered.

> > If you really sail in more than 25 knots of sustained winds (i see
> > you're from France, so if you go to the meditarene coast it's almost
> > certain to be that windy at times), you definitely need something
> > smaller than 5.5. Something around 4.7 - 4.8 probabely is the best
> > compromise between range and economy. 5.0 would give you a bit of
> > overlap, 4.5 would probabely leave you with some gap, depending on the
> > type of sail. For frequent sailing in 30 knots of sustained wind,
> > something even smaller, say 4.2 and possibly 3.7 would also be the call.
> > If you don't plan on frequently sailing these conditions, don't pay a
> > lot of money for these sails, there should be good used deals available.
> > I also suspect the around 4.5 is the smallest sail somebody of your
> > weight can comfortably sail on the Flow but that again depends on where
> > you sail / how choppy it is and how you sail.
> > --
> > Wolfgang

 
 
 

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Post by Alspac » Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Tom,
        I used to live in Rochester and sailed on Ontario and they used 60 liter
boards and 3.0-3.5 sails every weekend. There is very good wind there. Why would I
not be sailing in the Great Lakes? I learned in the great lakes and sail 50% of
the time there. Not in those conditions but in 5.5. The waves get to 10-12 foot
swells and there is sometimes so much wind that nobody goes out. There is a broad
spectrum of conditions there but they do use tiny gear.
Quote:

> Alspach:

> If in Vermont, you definitely will NOT be sailing on the Great Lakes.  I dono't
> know the winds in Vermont, but I suspect that they rarely use 70 L boards and
> 3.5 - 4.0 sails.

> Tom - Chicago


> > Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
> > lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
> > intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
> > Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
> > the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay



> > > > I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
> > > > would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
> > > > 10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
> > > > Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
> > > > sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
> > > > the Flow board? Thanks

> > > Where do you sail and what kind of sailing? At your weight the Vision
> > > and a 7.3 sail already seem mighty big (120 pounds is 55 kg i think?) so
> > > i wouldn't think anything bigger would be needed.
> > > Imho the Flow can easily carry something up to 6.5 at your weight, maybe
> > > a Volcano or Tonic,if you want to stay with North. Otoh, it's certainly
> > > possible to hold on to the 7.3 untill the 5.5 works. Whether it makes
> > > sense is the next question: Imho it's OK for flat water blasting if you
> > > already can jibe. For bump&jump style sailing, tricks and also for
> > > learning planing jibes something inbetween does make sense: A 7.3 is
> > > already pretty big for learning to jibe for a small person, in fully
> > > powered 5.5 weather it's often already pretty choppy.

> > > The pyro certainly works on the flow although i don't think it's the
> > > ideal sail for that kind of board, with it's camber and the relatively
> > > long booms. For straight line sailing, something like the Tonic (again,
> > > if you want to stay with North, other brands certainly do have
> > > equivalent sails in their lineup) or, if you want cambers, the zoom
> > > would be OK, personally i'd prefer a more manouver oriented sail like
> > > the Volcano or Style even on flat water. Btw., don't get the Vodoo if
> > > you don't do real waveriding, these sails are good (although trim
> > > sensible) wave sails but no b&j sails. All said, i'd keep the 5.5 for
> > > the moment if money is anything to be considered.

> > > If you really sail in more than 25 knots of sustained winds (i see
> > > you're from France, so if you go to the meditarene coast it's almost
> > > certain to be that windy at times), you definitely need something
> > > smaller than 5.5. Something around 4.7 - 4.8 probabely is the best
> > > compromise between range and economy. 5.0 would give you a bit of
> > > overlap, 4.5 would probabely leave you with some gap, depending on the
> > > type of sail. For frequent sailing in 30 knots of sustained wind,
> > > something even smaller, say 4.2 and possibly 3.7 would also be the call.
> > > If you don't plan on frequently sailing these conditions, don't pay a
> > > lot of money for these sails, there should be good used deals available.
> > > I also suspect the around 4.5 is the smallest sail somebody of your
> > > weight can comfortably sail on the Flow but that again depends on where
> > > you sail / how choppy it is and how you sail.
> > > --
> > > Wolfgang

 
 
 

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Post by swurfd » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Sorry,
I live in Rochester, 60 liter boards and 3.5 sails are the exception not the
norm here.   Wind has been nearly non-existent this summer except for this past
week  (I've gotten out twice on a 110 L board and a 6.3).      
        We do see some heavy days in the fall, but it is really not fair to suggest
that we see 40 knots on a regular basis.   Most people have a wide range of
boards but favor 90-100 L sleds w/ 5.7 to 7.0 sails on the average windy day in
these parts.
Just wanted to set the record straight before everybody on the NG moved to
Rochester 8^)
        -swurfdog
<<     I used to live in Rochester and sailed on Ontario and they used 60 liter
boards and 3.0-3.5 sails every weekend.  >>
 
 
 

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Post by Mark H » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Alspach,

There's two ws shops in VT:

Inland Sea Windsurf Co. in Burlington, telephone# 888-inlandc,
www.inlandsea.com

New England Sailboard Co. in Jamaica, telephone# 802-874-4178,

Perhaps they might have some information that may be helpful to you about
local conditions.

Best wishes,
Mark H.
The Bronx

 
 
 

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Post by Alspac » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I was reffering to my bodyweight with the winds. 120 Lbs. I am small and young.  I
heard that the summer overall has been rotten up there. Sorry for the mix up, I use
the _ liter boards sizes and _ meter sail sizes to describe wind.
Quote:

> Sorry,
> I live in Rochester, 60 liter boards and 3.5 sails are the exception not the
> norm here.   Wind has been nearly non-existent this summer except for this past
> week  (I've gotten out twice on a 110 L board and a 6.3).
>         We do see some heavy days in the fall, but it is really not fair to suggest
> that we see 40 knots on a regular basis.   Most people have a wide range of
> boards but favor 90-100 L sleds w/ 5.7 to 7.0 sails on the average windy day in
> these parts.
> Just wanted to set the record straight before everybody on the NG moved to
> Rochester 8^)
>         -swurfdog
> <<     I used to live in Rochester and sailed on Ontario and they used 60 liter
> boards and 3.0-3.5 sails every weekend.  >>

 
 
 

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Post by Tom - Chicag » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Alspach:

What a coincidence - I used to live in Rochester too.  But not during my sailing days.

If they sail on 60L boards and 3.0 - 3.5 sails every weekend, then Rochester NY must
be the wind capitol of the USA.

My home launch is on Lake Michigan, so I am quite familiar with Great lakes
conditions, and I gotta tell you that it is RARE indeed to see people on 3.5's on the
lake.

I use my 9.5 and 7.5 more than any other sails.  6.0 somewhat and 5.0 infrequently.

Tom - Chicago

Quote:

> Tom,
>         I used to live in Rochester and sailed on Ontario and they used 60 liter
> boards and 3.0-3.5 sails every weekend. There is very good wind there. Why would I
> not be sailing in the Great Lakes? I learned in the great lakes and sail 50% of
> the time there. Not in those conditions but in 5.5. The waves get to 10-12 foot
> swells and there is sometimes so much wind that nobody goes out. There is a broad
> spectrum of conditions there but they do use tiny gear.


> > Alspach:

> > If in Vermont, you definitely will NOT be sailing on the Great Lakes.  I dono't
> > know the winds in Vermont, but I suspect that they rarely use 70 L boards and
> > 3.5 - 4.0 sails.

> > Tom - Chicago


> > > Thanks for the feedabck: I usually sail in Normandy, Le Dossen and local
> > > lakes. 120 LBS is 55 kg. I usually sail in a straight line and at the
> > > intermediate level. I might move to Vermont due to business and be on the
> > > Great Lakes. Would a 70 Liter board and A really tiny sail like a 3.5-4.0 be
> > > the call? Again, thanks for all the feedback. Jay



> > > > > I weigh 120 pounds and have a Mistral flow 266 and A vision 130. What
> > > > > would be the ideal sail quiver for these boards. I sail in winds from
> > > > > 10-30 Knots. I have a 5.5 North Pyro for the Flow. I also have a 7.3
> > > > > Trans-Am for the vision. If someone could help me and list out the other
> > > > > sails I need that would be great. Also, is the Pyro a good choice for
> > > > > the Flow board? Thanks

> > > > Where do you sail and what kind of sailing? At your weight the Vision
> > > > and a 7.3 sail already seem mighty big (120 pounds is 55 kg i think?) so
> > > > i wouldn't think anything bigger would be needed.
> > > > Imho the Flow can easily carry something up to 6.5 at your weight, maybe
> > > > a Volcano or Tonic,if you want to stay with North. Otoh, it's certainly
> > > > possible to hold on to the 7.3 untill the 5.5 works. Whether it makes
> > > > sense is the next question: Imho it's OK for flat water blasting if you
> > > > already can jibe. For bump&jump style sailing, tricks and also for
> > > > learning planing jibes something inbetween does make sense: A 7.3 is
> > > > already pretty big for learning to jibe for a small person, in fully
> > > > powered 5.5 weather it's often already pretty choppy.

> > > > The pyro certainly works on the flow although i don't think it's the
> > > > ideal sail for that kind of board, with it's camber and the relatively
> > > > long booms. For straight line sailing, something like the Tonic (again,
> > > > if you want to stay with North, other brands certainly do have
> > > > equivalent sails in their lineup) or, if you want cambers, the zoom
> > > > would be OK, personally i'd prefer a more manouver oriented sail like
> > > > the Volcano or Style even on flat water. Btw., don't get the Vodoo if
> > > > you don't do real waveriding, these sails are good (although trim
> > > > sensible) wave sails but no b&j sails. All said, i'd keep the 5.5 for
> > > > the moment if money is anything to be considered.

> > > > If you really sail in more than 25 knots of sustained winds (i see
> > > > you're from France, so if you go to the meditarene coast it's almost
> > > > certain to be that windy at times), you definitely need something
> > > > smaller than 5.5. Something around 4.7 - 4.8 probabely is the best
> > > > compromise between range and economy. 5.0 would give you a bit of
> > > > overlap, 4.5 would probabely leave you with some gap, depending on the
> > > > type of sail. For frequent sailing in 30 knots of sustained wind,
> > > > something even smaller, say 4.2 and possibly 3.7 would also be the call.
> > > > If you don't plan on frequently sailing these conditions, don't pay a
> > > > lot of money for these sails, there should be good used deals available.
> > > > I also suspect the around 4.5 is the smallest sail somebody of your
> > > > weight can comfortably sail on the Flow but that again depends on where
> > > > you sail / how choppy it is and how you sail.
> > > > --
> > > > Wolfgang

 
 
 

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Post by yuri_novozhe.. » Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:00

One of the ways to figure out balanced sail quiver is by using percent
increments not the meters.  Start with the sail size you use the most
then add 20%(for example) for next size up and subtract 20% for the
next size down.  Go to the next size up, you've just figured out,
calculate 20% of that and add to get even larger sail.  Work your way
both ways from your favorite sail size.  You can go to 25% spread or
15% spread whatever makes sense to you or your pocket.  I actually have
a little Excell program that would let you play with this idea.  If you
want it drop me a line.  Use it wisely, and remember, no program can
replace real experience of your local sailors.

Yuri.
Rochester, NY.

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