Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by CMM Jenkin » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 04:02:56


Having just broken the nose of my Techno after I catapulted myself off it
last weekend I was thinking I would fit a mast deflector or jez's knob to
the mast track (like the one on
http://www.surfstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surf_Store_UK_Hardwear_19.html ) to
protect the nose after I get it repaired.

However the bloke repairing the board has a plausible argument against using
these. He says the momentum of the mast moving forwards against a deflector
can lead to a lever action on the mast foot. This lever action can result in
the mast track being pulled out of the board.

Has anyone experienced this happening on a Techno?

Also, has anyone had a broken nose despite using a deflector?

Thanks in advance, Matthew

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Mike » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:47:19

Pad the board nose and pad the mast where it strikes the nose. When I
switched to that several years ago my broken nose incidence dropped from 2-3
times per month to zero times in five years.

Slap a clip-on mast base pad onto the mast where it strikes the nose, and
cut and glue some deck pad material (see www.nsipadz.com ) onto the nose. I
usually cut a pair of 2" strips to run from the nose back along the top of
the rails. Carefully cut and beveled and blended, they look factory
installed. I've never had one come loose even after three years of extended
use.

Mike \m/


Quote:
> Having just broken the nose of my Techno after I catapulted myself off it
> last weekend I was thinking I would fit a mast deflector or jez's knob to
> the mast track (like the one on
> http://www.surfstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surf_Store_UK_Hardwear_19.html ) to
> protect the nose after I get it repaired.

> However the bloke repairing the board has a plausible argument against
using
> these. He says the momentum of the mast moving forwards against a
deflector
> can lead to a lever action on the mast foot. This lever action can result
in
> the mast track being pulled out of the board.

> Has anyone experienced this happening on a Techno?

> Also, has anyone had a broken nose despite using a deflector?

> Thanks in advance, Matthew


 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by ken » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 06:22:01

Even with a Deflector installed, I managed to put a ding in a rental Techno last
year. The Deflector made the difference between a ding, and a broken nose.
Quote:

> Having just broken the nose of my Techno after I catapulted myself off it
> last weekend I was thinking I would fit a mast deflector or jez's knob to
> the mast track (like the one on
> http://www.surfstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surf_Store_UK_Hardwear_19.html ) to
> protect the nose after I get it repaired.

> However the bloke repairing the board has a plausible argument against using
> these. He says the momentum of the mast moving forwards against a deflector
> can lead to a lever action on the mast foot. This lever action can result in
> the mast track being pulled out of the board.

> Has anyone experienced this happening on a Techno?


 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Endo » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:06:27

I had bought a deviator. I then decide one day that is was a nuisance
and took it off. As luck would have it, that same day I look backwards
to check on a friend and get catapulted during my momentary lapse and
break the nose.

I sent my board to the shop to get the nose repaired (the board was
only 1 month old).

I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about the
mast track getting ripped out.

Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

Endo

Quote:

>Even with a Deflector installed, I managed to put a ding in a rental Techno last
>year. The Deflector made the difference between a ding, and a broken nose.


>> Having just broken the nose of my Techno after I catapulted myself off it
>> last weekend I was thinking I would fit a mast deflector or jez's knob to
>> the mast track (like the one on
>> http://www.surfstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surf_Store_UK_Hardwear_19.html ) to
>> protect the nose after I get it repaired.

>> However the bloke repairing the board has a plausible argument against using
>> these. He says the momentum of the mast moving forwards against a deflector
>> can lead to a lever action on the mast foot. This lever action can result in
>> the mast track being pulled out of the board.

>> Has anyone experienced this happening on a Techno?

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Friar Tuc » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:34:28

I have been using them for years, I have also sold a lot to other shops and
sailors..

   Never had one single report of a mast track being damaged,  let alone one
being pulled out of a board.

  It cut my nose repairs [i repair boards, too] by about 99% after I started
selling Deviators.

The only nose repairs that I get now are from those sailors NOT using a
deviator.

   R.


Websites:
http://www.cableusers.com.au/2hot4u/
http://www.botanybay.cjb.net


Quote:
> I had bought a deviator. I then decide one day that is was a nuisance
> and took it off. As luck would have it, that same day I look backwards
> to check on a friend and get catapulted during my momentary lapse and
> break the nose.

> I sent my board to the shop to get the nose repaired (the board was
> only 1 month old).

> I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about the
> mast track getting ripped out.

> Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

> Endo


> >Even with a Deflector installed, I managed to put a ding in a rental
Techno last
> >year. The Deflector made the difference between a ding, and a broken
nose.


> >> Having just broken the nose of my Techno after I catapulted myself off
it
> >> last weekend I was thinking I would fit a mast deflector or jez's knob
to
> >> the mast track (like the one on
> >> http://www.surfstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surf_Store_UK_Hardwear_19.html ) to
> >> protect the nose after I get it repaired.

> >> However the bloke repairing the board has a plausible argument against
using
> >> these. He says the momentum of the mast moving forwards against a
deflector
> >> can lead to a lever action on the mast foot. This lever action can
result in
> >> the mast track being pulled out of the board.

> >> Has anyone experienced this happening on a Techno?

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Exkra » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:47:11

Quote:
>Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

yes, lots
seems to me we have a choice: bang up the noses, which don't really have a
structural function other than keeping water out; or bang up mast boxes, which
are right where the highest stresses occurr in a board. Seems like a no-brainer
to me. As is the application of good nose padding, which might look a little
hokey, but works (unless is is the undersized variety as supplied for Technos
by Bic, which leaves the edges exposed, which is where the mast hits - like,
duh).
Eva
 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Roy Tansil » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:58:44

I just did an article on a nose pad that works for Technos or any wider
tailed board that thins out the nose to save weight.  It should be online
(with photos) within 48 hours at:
                        http:/members.nbci.com/CCWA
The deviator makers recommend using a 2 bolt base to spread the load on the
mast track- I guess they've seen some failures with the single bolt bases.
The masts take a beating with a direct hit on a Deviator.  Check out my
solution
 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Carlo » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:18:45

I worked at a rental center for over two years, and never seen a deviator
pull out a mast track. I know you can break your base like that, rather that
than a having to repair a nose. A problem that dispappeared by 99.9 %
As for the mast track on a techno pulling out, could be Bic specific.


Quote:
> I just did an article on a nose pad that works for Technos or any wider
> tailed board that thins out the nose to save weight.  It should be online
> (with photos) within 48 hours at:
>                         http:/members.nbci.com/CCWA
> The deviator makers recommend using a 2 bolt base to spread the load on
the
> mast track- I guess they've seen some failures with the single bolt bases.
> The masts take a beating with a direct hit on a Deviator.  Check out my
> solution

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Wal » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:24:00

Yes, out of a Techno (not mine), after lots of dropped masts.
The foam supporting the mast track sheared and pulled
away from the bottom.

A better solution is padding. A very effective pad suggested
on this forum a small while ago was to use a swimming pool
noodle cut in halves along its long axis and glued around the
nose of the board.

Wal

Quote:
> I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about the
> mast track getting ripped out.

> Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

> Endo

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Endo » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:02:55

Maybe someone can think of an uglier setup? Like perhaps leaving the
shipping bubble pack on the nose.

I'd like to ride the thing without people laughing and pointing.

Endo



Quote:
>Yes, out of a Techno (not mine), after lots of dropped masts.
>The foam supporting the mast track sheared and pulled
>away from the bottom.

>A better solution is padding. A very effective pad suggested
>on this forum a small while ago was to use a swimming pool
>noodle cut in halves along its long axis and glued around the
>nose of the board.

>Wal

>> I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about the
>> mast track getting ripped out.

>> Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

>> Endo

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Mike » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:45:09

That's why the deck pad and mast pad idea work so well. The only comment I
get on that combination is, "Jeez, that's so simple. Does it work?" and even
"Did that nose pad come on the board?"

Mike \m/

Quote:
> Maybe someone can think of an uglier setup? Like perhaps leaving the
> shipping bubble pack on the nose.

> I'd like to ride the thing without people laughing and pointing.

> Endo



> >Yes, out of a Techno (not mine), after lots of dropped masts.
> >The foam supporting the mast track sheared and pulled
> >away from the bottom.

> >A better solution is padding. A very effective pad suggested
> >on this forum a small while ago was to use a swimming pool
> >noodle cut in halves along its long axis and glued around the
> >nose of the board.

> >Wal

> >> I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about the
> >> mast track getting ripped out.

> >> Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

> >> Endo

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by WaterTouc » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:03:11

What's it made of? Same material as the footpads?

/O.


Quote:


> >Maybe someone can think of an uglier setup? Like perhaps leaving the
> >shipping bubble pack on the nose.

> note that the new exocet wave boards (manga) come with a nose pad (they
> call it a "noz'pad"

> http://exocet-original.com/home.htm
> go to "gamme", then "manga"

> --


 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Endo » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:18:35



Quote:


>>Maybe someone can think of an uglier setup? Like perhaps leaving the
>>shipping bubble pack on the nose.

>note that the new exocet wave boards (manga) come with a nose pad (they
>call it a "noz'pad"

>http://exocet-original.com/home.htm
>go to "gamme", then "manga"

Hard to tell what it looks like since it is only a cheesy cartoon
sketch.

Endo

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Endo » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:19:26

Got a photo online somewhere? I'd like to see what it looks like.

Endo



Quote:
>That's why the deck pad and mast pad idea work so well. The only comment I
>get on that combination is, "Jeez, that's so simple. Does it work?" and even
>"Did that nose pad come on the board?"

>Mike \m/


>> Maybe someone can think of an uglier setup? Like perhaps leaving the
>> shipping bubble pack on the nose.

>> I'd like to ride the thing without people laughing and pointing.

>> Endo



>> >Yes, out of a Techno (not mine), after lots of dropped masts.
>> >The foam supporting the mast track sheared and pulled
>> >away from the bottom.

>> >A better solution is padding. A very effective pad suggested
>> >on this forum a small while ago was to use a swimming pool
>> >noodle cut in halves along its long axis and glued around the
>> >nose of the board.

>> >Wal

>> >> I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about the
>> >> mast track getting ripped out.

>> >> Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

>> >> Endo

 
 
 

Techno - broken nose vs broken mast track....

Post by Mike » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:21:15

Sorry -- haven't seen my camera in many years and don't trust this PC POS
enough to hook up my scanner again any time soon. This PC is highly
challenged, fails very often, and devours WAY too many of my waking hours,
just keeping it running well enough to keep up with this newsgroup and
generate Word documents.

But making factory-looking nose and tail pads is as easy as cutting out
paper dolls. The finished nose pad starts right on the tip of the nose, then
runs down the rails 6-8" on each side like an inverted V with 1-2" wide
"wings". I make them in two mirror-image pieces, symmetrical about the board
centerline, bevel the edges (except where they meet on the centerline),
sculpt their planform aesthetically, apply contact cement to pads and deck
everywhere they touch (including the pad union on the centerline), and glue
them down. Even with dragging sails across the nose all day long in
waterstarting, they never come loose. Chosen to match some color on the
board, and trimmed with an eye to hull flow, they look fine.

That alone seems to greatly reduce the nose crush problem. That, and
slapping an off-the-shelf, clip-on, eva foam mast base pad on the mast where
the mast meets the nose (and a boom bra if on a board long enough for the
boom to hit the board; none of my board noses are that long), has 100%
stopped my nose ding incidence for over 5 years now. Now I can concentrate
100% on sailing, and never give any thought to how I crash.

The tail pad is a simple, aesthetically-trimmed and beveled hand-sized
triangle right at the tail to prevent the deck tail from being softened
(i.e., ruined) by the boom beating or crashing onto the tail when
waterstarting in rough conditions. I've seen far too many decks there,
especially on one Gorge brand,  go soft and spongy and leaky at that spot
from boom damage. That spot is also a real thumb-crusher, and the pad
lessens that problem.

Mike \m/


Quote:
> Got a photo online somewhere? I'd like to see what it looks like.

> Endo



> >That's why the deck pad and mast pad idea work so well. The only comment
I
> >get on that combination is, "Jeez, that's so simple. Does it work?" and
even
> >"Did that nose pad come on the board?"

> >Mike \m/


> >> Maybe someone can think of an uglier setup? Like perhaps leaving the
> >> shipping bubble pack on the nose.

> >> I'd like to ride the thing without people laughing and pointing.

> >> Endo



> >> >Yes, out of a Techno (not mine), after lots of dropped masts.
> >> >The foam supporting the mast track sheared and pulled
> >> >away from the bottom.

> >> >A better solution is padding. A very effective pad suggested
> >> >on this forum a small while ago was to use a swimming pool
> >> >noodle cut in halves along its long axis and glued around the
> >> >nose of the board.

> >> >Wal

> >> >> I now use my deviator despite what a local shop guy tells me about
the
> >> >> mast track getting ripped out.

> >> >> Has anyone every seen a ripped out mast track from a deviator?

> >> >> Endo