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by **Michael Lapsl** » Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:00:00

What is this keen com that so many of you folks are so
keen on? Is it some sort of cooperative venture?

Michael

by **Roger Jacks** » Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:00:00

A number of us have started to use Remarq.com as a way of
getting around ISP's that don't support newsgroups,
certain firewalls that need to be gotten around,
things like that.
In the past week nearly everything that gets posted thru
the RemarQ server somehow ends up with the Keen.com logo
and little blurb at the bottom.
It seems keen.com is a new advertiser or new service for
RemarQ.com and when they added the Keen.com stuff to the
newsgroup page, somehow it just started appearing on individual
posts to the newsgroups.
I don't think many of us realized this is happening.
Hope this clears up where "Keen.com" is coming from.
Now to figure a way to make it go away. :-)
later, Roger

Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
Up to 100 minutes free!
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by **Michael Lapsl** » Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hmmmm...

seems indistingishable from spam to me!

Why not post thru deja?

Michael

On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:08:03 -0700,

Quote:

>It seems keen.com is a new advertiser or new service for
>RemarQ.com and when they added the Keen.com stuff to the
>newsgroup page, somehow it just started appearing on individual
>posts to the newsgroups.

by **sailqui** » Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Randy,

Quote:

> >In the past week nearly everything that gets posted thru
> >the RemarQ server somehow ends up with the Keen.com logo
> >and little blurb at the bottom.

> Glad to hear that Roger - I thought you were starting an advice hot line > and charging 99cents a minute for it, or something like that.

Hmmmmm.... Sounds like a good idea to me, but since I always try to give
the questions I answer here as complete and honest an answer as I can,
I doubt that anyone could afford my advice. Besides, if it's free
advice, everyone is also free to believe it, consider it complete
BS, or filter out the good stuff, and disregard the rest.
I do get wordy, but mostly because of my training as an instructor.
I try to cover each subject from several different angles so whether
the requester is a rank beginner, or someone more advanced trying to
understand why alot of the technical and technique aspects of WS are
counter- intuitive my posts will be understandable.
I was taught that to provide useful information, it's to explain what I
will be going to cover, cover it thoroughly, and then review what I've
had to say.

To answer Michael's question about Deja.com, I used to use them and the
had a pretty quick and user friendly interface. Then they changed the
interface, and now it's huge, slow, and very cumbersome.
I like the format at RemarQ much better, but this keen.com thing
may divert me elsewhere.
Regards, Roger

--
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
Sailworks/Starboard/F2/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

by **sailqui** » Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Mark,
Thanks again for the help packing up from the L.I. demo last Saturday.

Quote:

> I was a little surprised as well. I thought maybe you had taken > advantage of some free ISP or email service and knew of the advert.

No, I have a "pay for service" ISP in both So. MD and Hatteras, but
the folks I work for have this huge firewall that there's no way around
except to use an open internet service like Deja.com or RemarQ.com.
I like to keep up with what's going on between all the traveling I do
while at work..

Quote:

> Deceptive, instead, on Remarq's part.
> I hope having an advert banner on your posts doesn't compromise your > credibility when people who don't know you read your advice.

I have already taken steps to see if I can use the service without the
spam. We will see.

But I've been suffering from the most major *** on my credibility
ever since Monday morning.
I guess alot of people think I get paid somehow to post here, and
recommend certain products.
Nothing could be further from the truth!

I don't get paid, but I do get the use of some really great gear, that I
really believe is about the best on the market because I've sailed
it extensively and tested it head to head against other similar gear.
The manufacturers own it, I take it around, rig it up properly, and it
works the way it was designed to. This gives the WS public the
opportunity to try out the gear, see if they like it, with the gear
rigged
right for the conditions, and on boards that really perform in those
conditions.
When the gear is set up right, for the conditions. and used on boards
that are appropriate for the conditions, the gear sells itself.
I'm just the facilitator who brings the gear to the beach so all
of you will have an opportunity to try it out.
If the sails I recommend sell very well, or if they only sell a few,
my paycheck is the same. Nothing; $0.00; zip; nada).
Same thing with the boards!
The manufacturer's get it all back at the end of the year, and if I've
done a good job of representing their products, maybe they will
give me some of next year's gear to do the same thing with.
The products in my truck are there because I think they offer the best
performance and value for the $ spent. If the gear didn't perform, it
wouldn't be in my truck.

Enough said, let the flames begin.
Roger

--
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
Sailworks/Starboard/F2/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

by **Randa** » Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>In the past week nearly everything that gets posted thru
>the RemarQ server somehow ends up with the Keen.com logo
>and little blurb at the bottom.

Glad to hear that Roger - I thought you were starting an advice hot line and
charging 99cents a minute for it, or something like that.

Randy

by **Mark H** » Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>...Glad to hear that Roger - I thought you were starting an advice hot
>line and charging 99cents a minute for it, or something like that....
>Randy

I was a little surprised as well. I thought maybe you had taken advantage
of some free ISP or email service and knew of the advert. Deceptive,
instead, on Remarq's part. I hope having an advert banner on your posts
doesn't compromise your credibility when people who don't know you read your
advice.

Mark H.
The Bronx

by **JDS** » Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi ALL

If you are at all interested the Cabarete Race week results are being
updated daily at
http://SportToday.org/
Jimmy Diaz is out front followed by Sergio and Eli

In passing I have to say that this is one of the best events I have ever
competed in anywhere in the world - give it a try sometime.

Would be racing for my 4th time this year but snapped my ankle in 7 places
landing badly from a jump. Really bummed not to be there

Regards,
Danny Steyn

Quote:

> Hi Mark,
> Thanks again for the help packing up from the L.I. demo last Saturday.

> > I was a little surprised as well. I thought maybe you had taken >

advantage of some free ISP or email service and knew of the advert.

Quote:

> No, I have a "pay for service" ISP in both So. MD and Hatteras, but
> the folks I work for have this huge firewall that there's no way around
> except to use an open internet service like Deja.com or RemarQ.com.
> I like to keep up with what's going on between all the traveling I do
> while at work..

> > Deceptive, instead, on Remarq's part.

> > I hope having an advert banner on your posts doesn't compromise your >

credibility when people who don't know you read your advice.

Quote:

> I have already taken steps to see if I can use the service without the
> spam. We will see.

> But I've been suffering from the most major *** on my credibility
> ever since Monday morning.
> I guess alot of people think I get paid somehow to post here, and
> recommend certain products.
> Nothing could be further from the truth!

> I don't get paid, but I do get the use of some really great gear, that I
> really believe is about the best on the market because I've sailed
> it extensively and tested it head to head against other similar gear.
> The manufacturers own it, I take it around, rig it up properly, and it
> works the way it was designed to. This gives the WS public the
> opportunity to try out the gear, see if they like it, with the gear
> rigged
> right for the conditions, and on boards that really perform in those
> conditions.
> When the gear is set up right, for the conditions. and used on boards
> that are appropriate for the conditions, the gear sells itself.
> I'm just the facilitator who brings the gear to the beach so all
> of you will have an opportunity to try it out.
> If the sails I recommend sell very well, or if they only sell a few,
> my paycheck is the same. Nothing; $0.00; zip; nada).
> Same thing with the boards!
> The manufacturer's get it all back at the end of the year, and if I've
> done a good job of representing their products, maybe they will
> give me some of next year's gear to do the same thing with.
> The products in my truck are there because I think they offer the best
> performance and value for the $ spent. If the gear didn't perform, it
> wouldn't be in my truck.

> Enough said, let the flames begin.
> Roger

> --
> sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
> Sailworks/Starboard/F2/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

by **sailqui** » Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Good Morning Group,
I posted this to the keen.com thread, as Mark's question about
credibility seemed to open a door to expressing an opinion to
the group.
In retrospect, since that thread was "off topic" and this thread
is the one that seems to challenge my credibility I decided to
post it one more time. If you've already seen it, I apologize.
If you haven't, take a look!
If you are in Southern Central Canada, or anywhere near upstate New York
(Lake George) come on over to the Adirondak Boardsailing Club Hague
Regatta and give the gear a try.
Thanks for your patience.
Roger

I've been suffering from the most major *** on my credibility
ever.
I guess alot of people think I get paid somehow to post here, and
recommend certain products.
Nothing could be further from the truth!

I don't get paid, but I do get the use of some really great gear, that I
really believe is about the best on the market because I've sailed
it extensively and tested it head to head against other similar gear.

The manufacturers own it, I take it around, rig it up properly, and it
works the way it was designed to. This gives the WS public the
opportunity to try out the gear, see if they like it, with the gear
rigged right for the conditions, and on boards that really perform in
those conditions.
When the gear is set up right, and used on boards that are appropriate
for the conditions, the gear sells itself.

I'm just the facilitator who brings the gear to the beach so all
of you will have an opportunity to try it out.
If the sails I recommend sell very well, or if they only sell a few,
my paycheck is the same. Nothing; $0.00; zip; nada.
Same thing with the boards!
The manufacturer's get it all back at the end of the year, and if I've
done a good job of showing and explaining their products, maybe they
will
give me some of next year's gear to do the same thing with.
The products in my truck are there because I think they offer the best
performance and value for the $ spent. If the gear didn't perform, it
wouldn't be in my truck.

Enough said, let the flames begin.
Roger

--
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
Sailworks/Starboard/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

by **Mark H** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I hope I was clear enough in my previous post on this topic that I was NOT
calling Roger's credibility into question. Rather, I was opining that it
would be a shame if readers who weren't familiar with him might conclude he
had commercial interest in giving advice from observing the advert banner
that his ISP had placed on his posts without his prior knowledge or consent.

My experience meeting him at a recent event was that he was very much "above
board" in his facilitation of the gear he espouses and the advice he
proffers. It was nothing like any event I ever attended where gear was
promoted, instead more like a clinic. I had a great time and think anyone
else meeting up with him would find it equally as fun and valuable.

Mark H.
The Bronx

Quote:

sailquik wrote...
> Good Morning Group,
> I posted this...as Mark's question about
> credibility seemed to open a door to expressing an opinion to
> the group...
> ...If you are in Southern Central Canada, or anywhere near upstate New
York
> (Lake George) come on over to the Adirondak Boardsailing Club Hague
> Regatta and give the gear a try.
> Thanks for your patience.
> Roger

> I've been suffering from the most major *** on my credibility
> ever.
> I guess alot of people think I get paid somehow to post here, and
> recommend certain products.
> Nothing could be further from the truth!

> I don't get paid, but I do get the use of some really great gear, that I
> really believe is about the best on the market because I've sailed
> it extensively and tested it head to head against other similar gear.

> The manufacturers own it, I take it around, rig it up properly, and it
> works the way it was designed to. This gives the WS public the
> opportunity to try out the gear, see if they like it, with the gear
> rigged right for the conditions, and on boards that really perform in
> those conditions.
> When the gear is set up right, and used on boards that are appropriate
> for the conditions, the gear sells itself.

> I'm just the facilitator who brings the gear to the beach so all
> of you will have an opportunity to try it out.
> If the sails I recommend sell very well, or if they only sell a few,
> my paycheck is the same. Nothing; $0.00; zip; nada.
> Same thing with the boards!
> The manufacturer's get it all back at the end of the year, and if I've
> done a good job of showing and explaining their products, maybe they
> will
> give me some of next year's gear to do the same thing with.
> The products in my truck are there because I think they offer the best
> performance and value for the $ spent. If the gear didn't perform, it
> wouldn't be in my truck.

> Enough said, let the flames begin.
> Roger

> --
> sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
> Sailworks/Starboard/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

by **Loui** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Roger, keep up the good work. You promote your product when there is a
specific question about it (and there are many questions WRT GO boards
these days), but you also hand out solid advice on a wide range of
topics. Your intentions are genuine and any "promos" are driven by your
enthusiasm for your product and the sport in general.

To any other sponsored racers and competitors: If you gave back to the
sport and encouraged its newest members as much as Roger, I would gladly
buy those raffle tickets you're selling or fork over that donation.
However, most of you are invisible to me. The only time I see you is
when I'm asked for a contribution. I hope the manufacturers and shops
smarten up one day and discover that sponsoring someone only because
they can loop is a poor way to promote this sport.

Imagine how many more windsurfers there'd be if all the faces we see in
the magazines and everyone proudly displaying the fact that their gear
was practically given to them would be out there running clinics part of
the time. I know that some do, but this seems to be a very small
percentage. What have the rest done for you lately?

Cheers,
Louis

Quote:

> Good Morning Group,
> I posted this to the keen.com thread, as Mark's question about
> credibility seemed to open a door to expressing an opinion to
> the group.
> In retrospect, since that thread was "off topic" and this thread
> is the one that seems to challenge my credibility I decided to
> post it one more time. If you've already seen it, I apologize.
> If you haven't, take a look!
> If you are in Southern Central Canada, or anywhere near upstate New York
> (Lake George) come on over to the Adirondak Boardsailing Club Hague
> Regatta and give the gear a try.
> Thanks for your patience.
> Roger

> I've been suffering from the most major *** on my credibility
> ever.
> I guess alot of people think I get paid somehow to post here, and
> recommend certain products.
> Nothing could be further from the truth!

> I don't get paid, but I do get the use of some really great gear, that I
> really believe is about the best on the market because I've sailed
> it extensively and tested it head to head against other similar gear.

> The manufacturers own it, I take it around, rig it up properly, and it
> works the way it was designed to. This gives the WS public the
> opportunity to try out the gear, see if they like it, with the gear
> rigged right for the conditions, and on boards that really perform in
> those conditions.
> When the gear is set up right, and used on boards that are appropriate
> for the conditions, the gear sells itself.

> I'm just the facilitator who brings the gear to the beach so all
> of you will have an opportunity to try it out.
> If the sails I recommend sell very well, or if they only sell a few,
> my paycheck is the same. Nothing; $0.00; zip; nada.
> Same thing with the boards!
> The manufacturer's get it all back at the end of the year, and if I've
> done a good job of showing and explaining their products, maybe they
> will
> give me some of next year's gear to do the same thing with.
> The products in my truck are there because I think they offer the best
> performance and value for the $ spent. If the gear didn't perform, it
> wouldn't be in my truck.

> Enough said, let the flames begin.
> Roger

> --
> sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
> Sailworks/Starboard/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

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