What's the best Carbon boom going now?

What's the best Carbon boom going now?

Post by AD. » Thu, 26 May 2005 13:15:54


Quote:

> I always rinse all my gear after I am done sailing.  The way I do it is
> really simple.  After I'm done sailing, I derig and pack everything into
> the van.  Then, a few days later, I drive somewhere where there is water
> (and wind), rig everything back up, and put it in the water. This has
> worked really well for me.  ;-)

That does seem an easier than rinsing everything individually, but how
does the van cope with being put in the water?

 ;)

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Cheers
Anton

 
 
 

What's the best Carbon boom going now?

Post by sailbri.. » Thu, 26 May 2005 22:22:04

We have used FS for years, but we have had to replace the twist locks
on a regular basis, and the grip has come unglued along the seams.
That happened when they were still failry new, and we have tried every
adhesive known to man to try to reglue them.  Anyone have a glue
recommendation?

On the other hand, I really like our HPL, including the way it adjusts.
 Since I just donated one of our FS booms, plus a brand new sail to
Neptune (broken mast 3 miles offshore on Friday the 13th) I will
probably be replacing the FS with HPL unless someone can convince me
otherwise.

Lois

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:46

Quote:

> Hey Wardog, I brought FS into this...I haven't had the chance to try a
> Chinook carbon boom, but  my experience and Dan's compare right down
> the line.  Particularly with not overtightening, the booms are durable,
> stiff, light, fast to rig, etc etc.   Love them.

Hi Michael,
I haven't said one word about FS quality or construction, warranty or
customer service...I think you guys hit those bullet points...;-)
I also don't have a problem with anyone representing their product...or
any product, as long as there is full disclosure of any industry
connection...undercover profiles have become way to prevalent (and
obvious) on WS forums...

I know (and you do , too) that Dan is not just John Q. posting about his
experiences with the FS brand...and Gaastra and AHD and
Tinho/Calema...and US Windsurfing...etc...that comes through loud and
clear in his posts...they are well written and very helpful, I'm sure to
many people...but, "kiterboy" only turned up in this NG a couple of
weeks ago posting about Vela...he obviously likes, and has a propensity
to use, the keyword "best"...;-)

Quote:

> I've been many times at Vela Cabarete and for sure I think it is the
> best place with the best attiude and most helpful staff off the reef
> and on the reef!!

> Vela is the place to be . Best gear and service and best Happy Hour,

Golly shucks...I thought Green Acres was the place to be...;-)

I guess it's purely coincidental that Vela Cabarete just happens to also
promote NP...who kiterboy emphatically supports when he declares in a
single sentence:
"The best Carbon Boom on the market is the X9 from Neilpryde."

I'm not trying to grind "kiterboy" about his posted proclamation...
Just a sniff test issue...who knows...maybe it was just his screen
name...maybe if he used "poleboarder" he would have garnered more street
cred...;-)

In all fairness, the Subject line question was loaded...
"What's the best Carbon boom going now?"...pretty subjective...
Every boom, (FTM, any product) has a +/- grid...

Our toll free line hasn't been ringing off the hook by customers
demanding the NP X9...because it is categorically, "The best Carbon Boom
on the market"...however, we did sell several Chinooks and HPL's based
on the info that I provided about those products yesterday...and like
you pointed out...

Quote:

>> competition

I'm still waiting to be convinced and have my warranty questions
answered from previous post...afterall, I want to stoke my customers
with "the best Carbon boom going now"...

WARDOG (Purveyor of the "best" windsurfing gear on the market)
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:

> Cliff, re << I found  [fiberspar booms] too fidgety and prone to
> problems (I am a klutz). I've never
> had a single problem with the double-pin system on HPL other than
> discoloration
> of the pins--which turns out to be a non-problem. (Not having numbers
> marked on the boom is a moderate PITA with the HPL, though.)    >>
> I guess it's 'to each his own'...I had repeated trouble with sand in
> the HPL's, and the lack of markings is a waste of the sailor's time
> when rigging, IMHO.

> I have no idea what one gets for the Neil Pryde money in booms...I know
> their sails require NP masts (which for me is a reason not to by NP

> competition?


 
 
 

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Post by ratho.. » Fri, 27 May 2005 01:33:34

Well, everybody has affiliations/preferences when it comes to
windsurfing brands whether we're talking about carbon booms or uphaul
lines.  I work for NP, so it figures that I would like the booms!!
duh!!  However, I can say that before I worked for NP I used to manage
a windsurfing retail store, and I used the NP X7 boom (precursor to the
X9) over other brands in the store (Fiberspar, Gulftech, and HPL).  I
was not given this boom...  I bought it w/ my own hard-earned money at
a price which was higher than the other booms available (some were
offered to me free on an extended loan program).  I just bought it
because I had seen everything else, and I thought it was the best damn
boom on the market.

NP carbon booms are the best because:

-we design our booms from scratch.  we are not selling OEM booms.  If
you look at a lot of other booms on the market, they're all made by the
same company w/ the same common fittings, which in my opinion are not
as nice (i.e.  adjustment clips, front ends, outhaul systems)  Lay all
the booms out side by side, and you'll be able to tell the difference.
I especially like our loop & go outhaul assemblies.  I love the back
end on my X9 180 boom.  As is, I can use the three integrated pulleys
for an adjustable outhaul, or I can bypass them and still have the
convenience of a loop & go system...  all in the same outhaul assembly.

-stiff:  our monocoque concoque construction yields a very stiff and
durable boom.  The boom arms through the front end is a single
continuous piece.  So is the tailpiece.  That means the boom is made up
of two main parts w/ no glue joints, instead of six pieces like many
other carbon booms.  This translates into stiffness and reliability.  I
have not had to warranty an X9 boom yet in two years (aside from the
first run of adjustment clips...  easy retrofit/fix)

-X9 front end:  makes the boom to mast connection super solid, while
still being light and easy to adjust.  Also, it does not slip.  I
talked to Mike Zajicek (of Mike's Lab), and he absolutely loves the
front end for its stiffness and for the fact that it's the only front
end he's used that doesn't slip.  (and he's tried everything).  This
front end comes standard on all our X9 Wave and Race booms.

-X9 Wave & Crossover booms have a nice small grip w/ NO TAPER.  If you
pick up our X9 Wave boom, the first thing you'll notice is how small
and comfortable the grip diameter is.  The second thing you'll notice
is that the grip does not get bigger as you reach back on the boom.
For me this is a huge plus.  Reaching back on the boom for jibes or
tricks is very comfortable and the small diameter gives you great grip
on the boom.

-X9 Race booms have oversized diameter arm tube sections to increase
stiffness.  We do this on our bigger booms (180+) to make them as stiff
as possible.  These booms have a tapered grip.  We still keep a smaller
diameter in the grip area for comfort.

All in all, NP X9 booms are stiff, light, durable, and have the best
fittings.  They are the best (in my humble, unbiased opinion ;-)

kev

 
 
 

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Post by ratho.. » Fri, 27 May 2005 02:59:13

Sorry, been out of town, and have not had regular access to rec.  I saw
this thread for the first time this morning.

I'm still using my X9 booms and universal joints from last year (w/
about 200+ days on them), and everything's fine and dandy.  I'm only
160lbs, but I sail a lot... some in the waves, and I'm doing a lot of
freestyle stuff.  I'm not that great so, I'm crashing a lot, but it
basically means I spend a lot of time pumping, jumping, and crashing.
I think it's a pretty good test.  Furthermore, two of my team rideres,
Tyson and Whit Poor, have used the same booms for two years without
breaking them, and they're doing shit that really puts high stress on
booms... double loops, shakas, etc...  Finally, a local windsurf store
manager, Ben, is 200 lbs+ and has been using the same X7 boom for
Formula racing for the last four seasons.  The X7 and X9 have the same
boom bodies, just different fittings.  So, suffice it to say,I have a
lot of confidence in our booms.

Anyway, w/ respect to the written warranty, that's just legalese.  We
fully warrant our booms and universal joints for a full year.  When we
have had problems w/ certain products in the past that had higher than
average warranty rates, I've replaced certain items even after the
one-year warranty period.  Of course, these were all handled on a case
by case basis.

The X6 boom is the only "hybrid" boom that we make.  The front arms are
a single piece of T-8 aluminum w/ an extra piece of aluminum
reinforcement inside the boom front.  The tailpiece is a single piece
of continuous carbon.  I can't speak personally to the galvanic
corrosion or electrolysis as I'm no scientist nor have I done any
longterm testing.  Sorry :-(

kev

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:47

Thanks Kev,
Excellent info...zackly what I was after...you done good...
WRT legalese...understood...just was curious as to the "120 hour"
clause...hidden chips with timers?...;-)
Anyways...you've closed some (not all) of the $200 differential
premium...value has more parameters than just price...

p.s. Thanks for the new marketing slogan...;-)

WARDOG (Purveyor of the "best" DAMN windsurfing gear on the market)
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:

> Sorry, been out of town, and have not had regular access to rec.  I saw
> this thread for the first time this morning.

> I'm still using my X9 booms and universal joints from last year (w/
> about 200+ days on them), and everything's fine and dandy.  I'm only
> 160lbs, but I sail a lot... some in the waves, and I'm doing a lot of
> freestyle stuff.  I'm not that great so, I'm crashing a lot, but it
> basically means I spend a lot of time pumping, jumping, and crashing.
> I think it's a pretty good test.  Furthermore, two of my team rideres,
> Tyson and Whit Poor, have used the same booms for two years without
> breaking them, and they're doing shit that really puts high stress on
> booms... double loops, shakas, etc...  Finally, a local windsurf store
> manager, Ben, is 200 lbs+ and has been using the same X7 boom for
> Formula racing for the last four seasons.  The X7 and X9 have the same
> boom bodies, just different fittings.  So, suffice it to say,I have a
> lot of confidence in our booms.

> Anyway, w/ respect to the written warranty, that's just legalese.  We
> fully warrant our booms and universal joints for a full year.  When we
> have had problems w/ certain products in the past that had higher than
> average warranty rates, I've replaced certain items even after the
> one-year warranty period.  Of course, these were all handled on a case
> by case basis.

> The X6 boom is the only "hybrid" boom that we make.  The front arms are
> a single piece of T-8 aluminum w/ an extra piece of aluminum
> reinforcement inside the boom front.  The tailpiece is a single piece
> of continuous carbon.  I can't speak personally to the galvanic
> corrosion or electrolysis as I'm no scientist nor have I done any
> longterm testing.  Sorry :-(

> kev

 
 
 

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Post by ratho.. » Fri, 27 May 2005 14:47:50

actually, our X9 Wave and Crossover booms start at $559, which is very
competitive w/ the likes of Chinook, HPL, and Fiberspar...  especiallly
given our construction and features.  The slalom sizes are more
expensive but still start at $659...  which is not cheap, but I believe
for many customers, they are worth every penny.

Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
Yugos.  They're all capable of driving you to the beach.  Some are just
much nicer to drive.

kev

 
 
 

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Post by WARDO » Fri, 27 May 2005 15:23:36

Quote:

>> Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
>> Yugos.  They're all capable of driving you to the beach.  Some are just
>> much nicer to drive.

Hi Kev,
I don't have a problem with quality and paying a little more for a
better product, as long as it's value added...and can pay itself out
over time...

So one of the previous poster's quoted price is a little off base?

"Neil Pryde X-9 180-230  $729"...

hmmmmmm...you're right...I poked around a bit and they seem right in
line with the going MSRP's...sorry for echoing the bigger price
differential...
Have you put a micrometer on the grip?
27mm?
Seems the monocoque construction would save weight...
I see that you have published weights online...
I'll try to check some new, dry, booms tomorrow for comparison...
You got better pics of the front end?
Are the wave booms able to go on an RDM without shim?
I really wish that boom stiffness ratings would be standardized and
published...just like masts...it would alleviate some of the BS...

WARDOG (Always on the hunt for the best damn WS gear on the market)
http://surfingsports.com

Quote:
> actually, our X9 Wave and Crossover booms start at $559, which is very
> competitive w/ the likes of Chinook, HPL, and Fiberspar...  especiallly
> given our construction and features.  The slalom sizes are more
> expensive but still start at $659...  which is not cheap, but I believe
> for many customers, they are worth every penny.

> Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
> Yugos.  They're all capable of driving you to the beach.  Some are just
> much nicer to drive.

> kev

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Weis » Sat, 28 May 2005 04:24:04

Hi Wardog and Kevin:  That pricing info came from Neil Pryde Maui. Perhaps
other retailers charge a different price.

Here's that link: http://www.neilprydemaui.com/itemDetails.php?id=218
You'll need to scroll the menu to find the specific boom.

-Dan

Quote:

>>> Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
>>> Yugos.  They're all capable of driving you to the beach.  Some are just
>>> much nicer to drive.

> Hi Kev,
> I don't have a problem with quality and paying a little more for a better
> product, as long as it's value added...and can pay itself out over time...

> So one of the previous poster's quoted price is a little off base?

> "Neil Pryde X-9 180-230  $729"...

> hmmmmmm...you're right...I poked around a bit and they seem right in line
> with the going MSRP's...sorry for echoing the bigger price differential...
> Have you put a micrometer on the grip?
> 27mm?
> Seems the monocoque construction would save weight...
> I see that you have published weights online...
> I'll try to check some new, dry, booms tomorrow for comparison...
> You got better pics of the front end?
> Are the wave booms able to go on an RDM without shim?
> I really wish that boom stiffness ratings would be standardized and
> published...just like masts...it would alleviate some of the BS...

> WARDOG (Always on the hunt for the best damn WS gear on the market)
> http://surfingsports.com

>> actually, our X9 Wave and Crossover booms start at $559, which is very
>> competitive w/ the likes of Chinook, HPL, and Fiberspar...  especiallly
>> given our construction and features.  The slalom sizes are more
>> expensive but still start at $659...  which is not cheap, but I believe
>> for many customers, they are worth every penny.

>> Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
>> Yugos.  They're all capable of driving you to the beach.  Some are just
>> much nicer to drive.

>> kev

 
 
 

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Post by AD. » Sat, 28 May 2005 06:33:05

Quote:

> I don't have a problem with quality and paying a little more for a better
> product, as long as it's value added...and can pay itself out over time...

I recently picked up a close out deal on an X9 wave boom. And I'm very
happy with it - it's a great boom. I liked it even more when the callouses
on my hands readjusted themselves to the smaller diameter :)

But as to how it compares with other carbon booms - I wouldn't really know.

--
Cheers
Anton