Duck Jibe Help!

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by CCSMIK » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Hi,
I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.
I am a wave sailor heading to Aruba for a week and figured this would be a goal
for the week.
Thanks,
Mike
San Diego
 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Alan Whit » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>Hi,
>I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.
>I am a wave sailor heading to Aruba for a week and figured this would be a goal
>for the week.
>Thanks,
>Mike
>San Diego

 Keep up your speed!!

Alan

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Duck Jibe Help!

Post by ECavan60 » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hi,
>I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.
>I am a wave sailor heading to Aruba for a week and figured this would be a
>goal
>for the week.

Hey Mike.

With a little practice, I bet you'll be making some on the first or second day.
 A few tips:

1.  Flip earlier than you do for a carve jibe.  Reach way back.

2.  Keep a steady carve going.  

3.  It's easier to clear the sail - without whacking yourself in the head with
the clew - if you lower the mast towards the water a little as you flip.

4.  Don't sheet in or switch your feet until you're comfortable off in the new
direction.

If you want to speed up your progress - take a lesson from Dasher, Armando or
Eddie at Vela.  One lesson or two should suffice.

Have fun!
Jealous in hot, sticky, windless C***te,
Dave.

 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi,
> I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.
> I am a wave sailor heading to Aruba for a week and figured this would be a goal
> for the week.

Generally a duck jibe should be pretty easy for anybody who can pull off
planing jibes consistently. Some hints to consider:
+ You need speed. Being slightly overpowered helps. Enter the thing like
a race / laydown jibe: Sheet in (back hand back a bit), lean sail into
the turn.
+ Don't yank the sail around. It's more like you are carving the board
around while the sail stands still while you automatically dive through.
+ Practice the sail flip on land a few times. With larger rigs (>5.5 for
me) you may need to change hands again on the new side (new front hand
first grabs the boom near the tail on new side, then the new back hand,
then the front hand goes forward to the boom head).
+ While the sail flip is very early, the feet are switched late, like
when doing a carve jibe. When powered up i prefer switching feet
directly into the straps for maximally smooth turns.
+ I learned the duck jibe with a 270 slalom board and a 6.5 sail and
still find it easier with relatively large boards and sails around
5.5-6.5 compared to a very squirelly waveboard and a 4.5 (although i
think i've done it with any sail between 3.5 and 7.5).

--
Wolfgang

 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by CCSMIK » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for the tips!
 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by CCSMIK » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for the tips!
 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by MTVNewsG » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I'd like to second one of Wolfgang's tips:  Don't yank the sail around.  A duck
jibe done correctly is a smooth move without a lot of body motion...I focus on
keeping the carve smooth and my torso still while smoothly throwing the rig
forward, pausing for a millisecond, and then throwing it back past my ear.

Practice the sail flip on land, and then hit the water, and focus on the carve.
 And take a lesson from Dasher or Armando (I think Eddie's at the Gorge now).
Michael
US5613

 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Loco4wi » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

another easy way to learn this is on a landsailor if you have access to one;
you will find that doing it in light air on stable pavement will help you get
the motion down
 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Mewindsu » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Hi,
>I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.
>I am a wave sailor heading to Aruba for a week and figured this would be a
>goal
>for the week.
>Thanks,
>Mike
>San Diego

It's an easy maneuver.  just make sure you do it on every turn, no matter how
frustrated you get.  If you stick with it I know you will get one.  Once you
make one, You start making a bunch of them.  Two major things to keep in mind.
One is flip the sail much earlier.  If you get launched by the mast hitting the
water and stopping the board you flipped it too early.  If you have trouble
bringing the clew over your head and grabbing the new side, then you've waited
too long.  
   The second thing to remember is to grab the boom in front of the harness
lines on your new tack.  This is VERY important, and most people fail to
mention it.  If you don't reach far enough forward, the sail will end up in the
water to the outside of the jibe every time.

Good luck

Mike

 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> >I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.

> I had a terrible time with this jibe at first. I was learning with my 6.9, not
> recommended.  I would make the sail change and then the sail would get ripped
> out of my hands.

> What solved the problem was for me to let the air release from the sail after
> the change.

While using something smaller than 6.9 and opening up the sail may help
you to stay on board neither of both is imho necessary or even called
for for a good duck jibe. I had similar problems years ago and the
reason always was a bad carve / stance on the board, not some error with
sail handling. With enough speed and proper knee bending / rail
weighting DURING the sail shift, it should not be necessary to sheet out
at all. In my case i did the foot change too early, i.e. while switching
sail sides (as i knew from laydown jibes) instead of after the sail
flip.

--
Wolfgang

 
 
 

Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Hoppe » Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Twen,

I was curious about what technique you use to release the
pressure from the sail once it is on its new side.  How do you
do that?   I have noticed that the duck jibe is very different
from the usual jibe in that the pressure of the sail at the mast
base controls the attitude of the board quite a bit, in ways
that you would with your feet etc in the other jibe. This
control is great, it seems that once you get used to controlling
the carve with the sail by duck-flipping it nice and early, the
carve can be made very nice and stable.

To spill wind when exiting the jibe, do you tilt the sail in a
certain way while finishing up the carve?

Cheers,

Dave

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Duck Jibe Help!

Post by Caldwell W. Smi » Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> Hi,
> I would like some helpful hints, maybe steps to complete a duck jibe.
> I am a wave sailor heading to Aruba for a week and figured this would be
a goal
> for the week.
> Thanks,
> Mike
> San Diego

Here is some advice given to me that I've found helpful.  The key is to
keep your weight on your inside leg.  That is, keep leaning into the turn
and do not lean back to duck under the sail.  When you have placed the
sail into the turn and are depowered clue first, use this position as a
time to make sure everything is in balance.  It is equivalent to coming up
clue first in a regular jibe in that it is an opportunity to take a
fraction of a second to rebalance yourself.  After you throw the sail and
grab the boom on the other side, make sure you grab it in front of the
center of effort - that is in front of the haress lines.  Otherwise the
mast pivots away from you and falls to the outside of the turn.  If you
get launched over the board's nose, you are tossing the sail too early,
and if the sail falls to the outside of your turn, the sail release is too
late.  Compared to learning a regular jibe, ducking is a snap.  Have fun.

Caldwell