Hansen Sails Ordering

Hansen Sails Ordering

Post by barryxw.. » Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:59:17


If any of you missed the deadline for the initial Hansen Sails order,
the second opportunity to order runs thru March 14.

Info at:
http://www.hansensails.com

Order thru CalCup store at:
http://www.calcupevents.com/Stores/Hansen/Hansen_Store.shtml

-B

 
 
 

Hansen Sails Ordering

Post by Florian Feuse » Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:13:20


Quote:
> If any of you missed the deadline for the initial Hansen Sails order,
> the second opportunity to order runs thru March 14.

> Info at:
> http://www.hansensails.com

> Order thru CalCup store at:
> http://www.calcupevents.com/Stores/Hansen/Hansen_Store.shtml

> -B

How come the optional monofilm construction is $100 more for the wave sails?

Florian

 
 
 

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Post by barryxw.. » Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:48:04



Quote:

> How come the optional monofilm construction is $100 more for the wave sails?

> Florian

I'm just the geek messenger enthusiast. Good question to ask Bill on
the Hansen Sails forum**. Personally, I have grown to hate monofilm
and only have it in my race sails because I have no choice. However,
the surcharge for mono caught my eye too...
-Barry

** http://www.hansensails.com/Forum/

 
 
 

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Post by hanse » Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:17:23

Florian:
Good question.
Clearly it has nothing to do with the actual cost of the material. We
have the same extra charge for the Freerace in X-Ply vs Monofim. The
crux of the matter is that we have organized our production around
certain fabric combinations (many of which are specially formulated
and inventoried to our specs) which we see as appropriate to the use
intended. We know some sailors prefer specialized constructions other
than our intended norm so we are offering to make 'special' sails
according to their wishes. This comes with extra design and
administrative time, disruption of the production crew and in some
cases shipping costs. Rather than negotiate a special price, we have
made the decision to have a standard fee. This informs the customer
that we will make what they want, especially for them, if they agree
to properly fund it. We also offer to make custom sizes, aspect
ratios, boom openings, cam arrangements and other variations to our
basic sail line on a similar 'additional charge' basis. Perhaps it
doesn't make sense in a mass market ripe with last year's closeouts
and discounted sails but we aren't directing our efforts there. We are
giving dedicated, performance-oriented sailors the option to go
'custom' and so far, more than expected have. Kind of refreshing don't
you think?



Quote:
> How come the optional monofilm construction is $100 more for the wave sails?

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuse » Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:50:37


Quote:
> I'm just the geek messenger enthusiast. Good question to ask Bill on
> the Hansen Sails forum**. Personally, I have grown to hate monofilm
> and only have it in my race sails because I have no choice. However,
> the surcharge for mono caught my eye too...
> -Barry

Hi Barry,
I don't want to redirect a discussion to a manufacturer forum if it can
be had here. Otherwise all we have to talk about on rec dot is BFF or
FFF....

;-)

florian

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuse » Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:05


Quote:
> Rather than negotiate a special price, we have
> made the decision to have a standard fee. This informs the customer
> that we will make what they want, especially for them, if they agree
> to properly fund it. We also offer to make custom sizes, aspect
> ratios, boom openings, cam arrangements and other variations to our
> basic sail line on a similar 'additional charge' basis. Perhaps it
> doesn't make sense in a mass market ripe with last year's closeouts
> and discounted sails but we aren't directing our efforts there. We are
> giving dedicated, performance-oriented sailors the option to go
> 'custom' and so far, more than expected have. Kind of refreshing don't
> you think?

Very refreshing. I simply question the marketing sense of the offer. If
ou're able to offer a degree of customization of your sails at a
predictable cost, I would publicize that to sell your product. The
additional cost kinda suggests that the usually stigmatized monofilm
adds value over your standard x-ply material.

The sails look great, BTW. Best of luck!

Florian

 
 
 

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Post by hanse » Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:54:58

Florian:
Agreed.
Producing multiple lines of wave and recreational sails with slight
changes in design, graphics, materials, batten number or 'on shore,'
vs 'side shore' specialization also doesn't make sense unless the
intent is to flood the distribution channels with product. In the case
of monofilm as a stigmatized material, some sailors prefer the crisp,
light feeling it provides and are willing to pay extra to enhance
their time on the water. To them, it is a superior material. They get
what they want and the price is reasonable considering the quality of
construction and other unique features like HCL (compliant leech)
technology.

For those interested, our new sails and carbon masts have arrived.
Interested sailors can contact Mike Percey or Jane Morson to view them
and possibly try them out in the SF Bay area.



Quote:

> Very refreshing. I simply question the marketing sense of the offer. If
> ou're able to offer a degree of customization of your sails at a
> predictable cost, I would publicize that to sell your product. The
> additional cost kinda suggests that the usually stigmatized monofilm
> adds value over your standard x-ply material.
> The sails look great, BTW. Best of luck!

 
 
 

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Post by barryxw.. » Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:08:13

Florian,

My intention was to move the discussion over to a location where [I
thought] you would get an answer sooner. But Bill responded a lot
faster than the IRS mails out those refund checks...
BTW, I pull the trigger BFF [especially when powered to overpowered]
and I'm proud of it. Let the games begin...

B^)



Quote:

> > I'm just the geek messenger enthusiast. Good question to ask Bill on
> > the Hansen Sails forum...
> > -Barry

> Hi Barry,
> I don't want to redirect a discussion to a manufacturer forum if it can
> be had here. Otherwise all we have to talk about on rec dot is BFF or
> FFF....

> ;-)

> florian

 
 
 

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Post by Craig Goudi » Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:21

Quote:
> BTW, I pull the trigger BFF [especially when powered to overpowered]
> and I'm proud of it. Let the games begin...

Something you learned from Mike, eh Barry  8^O

-Craig


Quote:
> Florian,

> My intention was to move the discussion over to a location where [I
> thought] you would get an answer sooner. But Bill responded a lot
> faster than the IRS mails out those refund checks...
> BTW, I pull the trigger BFF [especially when powered to overpowered]
> and I'm proud of it. Let the games begin...

> B^)




> > > I'm just the geek messenger enthusiast. Good question to ask Bill on
> > > the Hansen Sails forum...
> > > -Barry

> > Hi Barry,
> > I don't want to redirect a discussion to a manufacturer forum if it can
> > be had here. Otherwise all we have to talk about on rec dot is BFF or
> > FFF....

> > ;-)

> > florian- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Weis » Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:08:55



Quote:

> > Rather than negotiate a special price, we have
> > made the decision to have a standard fee. This informs the customer
> > that we will make what they want, especially for them, if they agree
> > to properly fund it. We also offer to make custom sizes, aspect
> > ratios, boom openings, cam arrangements and other variations to our
> > basic sail line on a similar 'additional charge' basis. Perhaps it
> > doesn't make sense in a mass market ripe with last year's closeouts
> > and discounted sails but we aren't directing our efforts there. We are
> > giving dedicated, performance-oriented sailors the option to go
> > 'custom' and so far, more than expected have. Kind of refreshing don't
> > you think?

> Very refreshing. I simply question the marketing sense of the offer. If
> ou're able to offer a degree of customization of your sails at a
> predictable cost, I would publicize that to sell your product. The
> additional cost kinda suggests that the usually stigmatized monofilm
> adds value over your standard x-ply material.

> The sails look great, BTW. Best of luck!

> Florian

Bill offered this customization for years under the Windwing brand.
I'm not aware that many people knew about it but I ordered quivers in
the most oddball color combinations.  The visual impact was more
significant before the *** use of clear film, but even his race
sails benefitted from a bit of customizing.  Customizing aspect ratios
is quite another can of worms!

-Dan

 
 
 

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Post by barryxw.. » Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:38:24

Gawd, I hope not. More of a survival technique to get something
connected to the board ASAP in our gusty as hell NM wind. With
sufficient mastfoot pressure, it works like charm... Gawd-II, you
sucked me in...
B^)


Quote:
> > BTW, I pull the trigger BFF [especially when powered to overpowered]
> > and I'm proud of it. Let the games begin...

> Something you learned from Mxxx, eh Barry  8^O

> -Craig

 
 
 

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Post by hanse » Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:26:36

Dan:
So, you're the guy! Funny how questions unanswered for years
eventually out themselves...
We actually declined one bizarre color combo we decided were just too
hideous for a well known Santa Cruz sailor years ago.
Custom AR and sizes are basically new designs so all new patterns must
be generated. As an example, we are presently doing a higher AR 6.5
wide-sleeve multi-cam Slalom HCL for a couple SF Bay drag racers and a
guy in Hawaii. We also are doing some custom Wave HCL's for minimal
quiverists. One special size costs less than 2 sails and the what-to-
rig choices are much simpler.
L8r,
 - Bill


Quote:
> Bill offered this customization for years under the Windwing brand.
> I'm not aware that many people knew about it but I ordered quivers in
> the most oddball color combinations.  The visual impact was more
> significant before the *** use of clear film, but even his race
> sails benefitted from a bit of customizing.  Customizing aspect ratios
> is quite another can of worms!