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Serge
>>2. When heading downwind, instead of only flipping the sail,
>> the sailor rotates with the sail, rounding the mast on the
>instead of flipping the sail, the sailor rotates around the mast
>(the opposite of a duck jibe).
>You start the jibe as usually, then you sheet out a little and
>you start "walking" around the mast. Kind of tricky because while
>doing all this you have to keep the pressure on the inside so
>that the board turns.
>Saw it done (perfectly !) at the Gorge, tried a few times but
>never finished 100%. Maybe this evening if the Bise picks up a little.
>(I forgot the name of this move.)
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>Serge
Carl Meinburg of Mosier, Oregon, is credited with developing
this maneuver. Carl does it perfectly every time!
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Blane Sawyer
New Jersey USA
While having lunch, looking down on the sunny, breezy (not
really windy luckily) Lake Geneva, i just had the thought
of a new (?? maybe only for me) type of jibe, which has some
similarity to the helicopter tack:
1. On a nice swell face, bear off and begin the jibe as ussual.
2. When heading downwind, instead of only flipping the sail,
the sailor rotates with the sail, rounding the mast on the
nose side of the board. Do not let go the sail and keep on carving
3. You now should exit the jibe, while holding the sail
backwinded. Either ride the wave backwinded now or
change somehow the side, for example in the manner you do
a duck tack. (this could be the hard part)
Anybody done this ? What's the name for this move (heli jibe ?) ?
I'll try it as soon as i get on the water but i don't give myself
much chances in completing one. You'll probabely need a floaty
convertible / waveboard with not too narrow nose and some swell,
otherwise the risk of nose pearling with a real nice crash
would be large (while backwinded walking around on the nose...)
Looking foreward to hear from you,
hang loose and try it !
Wolfgang
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Wolfgang Soergel, M.S. (C.U.)
Chemin Benjamin-Dumur 6 Pirckheimerstrasse 4
1008 Prilly D-91207 Lauf
Switzerland Germany
Exactly as you described it, no.
But:
You start the jibe as usually, then you sheet out a little and
you start "walking" around the mast. Kind of tricky because while
doing all this you have to keep the pressure on the inside so
that the board turns.
Saw it done (perfectly !) at the Gorge, tried a few times but
never finished 100%. Maybe this evening if the Bise picks up a little.
(I forgot the name of this move.)
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Serge
writes:
Someone described this as a Monkey Jibe ? I thought that the sail was
not flipped in a Monkey jibe ? Is this a "Flipping Monkey Jibe"
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I nthe monkey gybe, the sail is not flipped so much as it is tugged
around the mast with the sailor when the sailor "walks" around the nose
of the board. It's a tough move.
You exit the gybe clew first and flip the sail, that's the theory, and
the only time when the sail is flipped. I've never done one yet dry and
seem to get stalled on the clew-first part, since I'll "walk" around the
board and end-up clew-first with very little speed and power and then
fall-in. However, its then pretty easy to waterstart and sail-away.
When I get to try it again, I'd like to try on a swell, as the original
poster related, so that i can keep my speed up.
I've seen variants where the sailor begins the gybe as if to do a carve
360 and just as the sail begins backwinding, the sailor leaps around the
nose of the board, as if to tack, and then sails away. it's apparently
easier to plane out of that variant but since I've never tried it and
since i cannot do "regular" dry monkey-gybes, i really couldn't say which
monkey-gybe is easier to plane out off.
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> >instead of only flipping the sail, the sailor rotates with the sail,
> rounding the mast on the nose side of the board.
> Someone described this as a Monkey Jibe ? I thought that the sail was
> not flipped in a Monkey jibe ? Is this a "Flipping Monkey Jibe"
> DTWayve windsurfing log USMA5 Dennis Windsurf Association
> 1986 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96
> days 112 133 135 100 132 117 79 81 94 75 16
The Monkey Jibe!
Yes Carl Mienberg(SP?) is credited with this move. Carl takes the boom
with him around the front of the board and sails clew first out of the
turn, then flips the sail.
We have developed a similiar jibe Ice sailing on a Freeskate where the
sailor walks around the mast in one step. The sail stays stationary and
when the sailor is on the new side, they grab the new boom side and
rotate the sail.
Looks cool, but is very dangerous as your back is faced to your point of
sailing direction for a brief moment. This is in FACT a faster way to
pass others at the jibe marks who are doing wider conventional jibes.
I have only pulled off several of these "Ice/monkey jibes" on the water
and only at very high speeds on an 8'0" wave board. The real trick is to
be outrunning the true wind with board speed so the transition is smooth.
It is very easy to get backwinded as the board speed drops. The turn is
like going into a 360, then just jump around.
Good luck! Anything is possible these days.
Jeff Brown
It Sounds like a monkey jibe. Easy to initiate difficult to finish. A
real challange go for it! Like a sail 360 enter the jibe way oversheeted
then push with your forward hand to backwind the sail. Now fall! No, at
this point grab the mast and get aroung the front of the rig to the
other side fast. Grap the boom, sheet in and sail away!! an excellent
goal to have, have fun!
Philipo
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>You exit the gybe clew first and flip the sail, that's the theory, and
>the only time when the sail is flipped. I've never done one yet dry and
>seem to get stalled on the clew-first part, since I'll "walk" around the
>board and end-up clew-first with very little speed and power and then
>fall-in. However, its then pretty easy to waterstart and sail-away.
>When I get to try it again, I'd like to try on a swell, as the original
>poster related, so that i can keep my speed up.
Hm, thanks for the good explanation how to do a monkey jibe - i never quite
understood this move (let alone did one for real, only in low wind).
However, my idea seems to be a bit different (in theory at least):
You are not sailing clew first at any point but you end up backwinded
when exiting the jibe
(The idea was to simply hold on to the boom all the time and walk around
the mast while flipping, still holding to the "old" side of the boom)
Hang loose !
Wolfgang
As a variation, continue carving, rounding up through the wind
clew first. Switch your feet and pull the sail around normal
for a clew-first tack. Result is a 360. (Not that I've ever
done it! :-)
Paul -- US366 (Maui)
> Hm, thanks for the good explanation how to do a monkey jibe - i never quite
> understood this move (let alone did one for real, only in low wind).
> However, my idea seems to be a bit different (in theory at least):
> You are not sailing clew first at any point but you end up backwinded
> when exiting the jibe
> (The idea was to simply hold on to the boom all the time and walk around
> the mast while flipping, still holding to the "old" side of the boom)
> Hang loose !
> Wolfgang
> >------------------------
At that point, I usually either
1. Try to jump around the mast while holding onto the "ol" side of the
boom. If I do this right, I will then be sailing on the opposite tack
from which i entered, as if I'd done a normal gybe but i will be
clew-first. I have a hard time keeping power in my sail at this time and
usually fall in. i then have to waterstart clew-first hopefully and sail
away; or
2. Keep carving by forcing the backwinded sail to power the board around
the rest of your turn. this is a carve 360, right?
The first move is what i think of as a monkey-gybe. An old Ian boyd
video and "Wind Obsession", another Gorge video showed slow-motion of
this move and lots of other neat transitions.
I could be wrong, but if you flip the sail the way you described, is that
not maybe just a really delayed lay-down or something. The only time
sailing clew-first is when you "leap" around the mast just before you get
back-winded.
A neat move involving a deliberate clew-first gybe is to flip the sail and
ride clew-first without changing tacks and then enter the gybe.
You can then try a sail-body 360 when in the middle of the gybe and really
crash hard. This looks like a monkey gybe yet it isn't. I saw Tom VanDell,
a really good Victoria sailor try this move and plane out of it. Blew me
away! It's easier than a monkey-gybe since all you have to do is go into
a duck-gybe and***up by ducking the sail too early, which is
how I learned it. Since you don't have to jump around the board's nose,
you don't lose so much speed. Going into the gybe clew-first
gives you lots of opportunity for spectacular yet creative crashes!
Maybe a picture is worth a thousand bytes, Cheers
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