iWindsurf: Anybody Else Bugged By Flashing Ads?

iWindsurf: Anybody Else Bugged By Flashing Ads?

Post by (PeteCresswell » Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:44:27


Am I the only one that's bothered by the new flashing adverti***ts on the
iWindsurf pages?   Above a certain size,  I find them *really* annoying and this
year they've certainly gone above that size.

I mean... it's not like it's some kind of freebie thing where you like it or
lump it....
--
PeteCresswell

 
 
 

iWindsurf: Anybody Else Bugged By Flashing Ads?

Post by Florian /FFF » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:38:30


Quote:
> Am I the only one that's bothered by the new flashing adverti***ts on the
> iWindsurf pages?   Above a certain size,  I find them *really* annoying and this
> year they've certainly gone above that size.

> I mean... it's not like it's some kind of freebie thing where you like it or
> lump it....
> --
> PeteCresswell

I also find that they've totally gone overboard.
I don't mind banners for the free service, but at $100/year it kind of
pisses me off.
Two heavy banner ads and another three smaller ads weigh down the
pages so much that the site is virtually unusable with my wireless
service.

Florian

 
 
 

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Post by therm » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:45:44


Quote:

> > Am I the only one that's bothered by the new flashing adverti***ts on the
> > iWindsurf pages?   Above a certain size,  I find them *really* annoying and this
> > year they've certainly gone above that size.

> > I mean... it's not like it's some kind of freebie thing where you like it or
> > lump it....
> > --
> > PeteCresswell

> I also find that they've totally gone overboard.
> I don't mind banners for the free service, but at $100/year it kind of
> pisses me off.
> Two heavy banner ads and another three smaller ads weigh down the
> pages so much that the site is virtually unusable with my wireless
> service.

> Florian

It's kind alike cable TV in the beginning,fist a few commercial free
channels and then nothing but 1000 shitty ones.
BTW tomorrow looking good for Gilgo, Side shore!!!
Pete

 
 
 

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Post by Florian /FFF » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:35:02


Quote:


> > > Am I the only one that's bothered by the new flashing adverti***ts on the
> > > iWindsurf pages?   Above a certain size,  I find them *really* annoying and this
> > > year they've certainly gone above that size.

> > > I mean... it's not like it's some kind of freebie thing where you like it or
> > > lump it....
> > > --
> > > PeteCresswell

> > I also find that they've totally gone overboard.
> > I don't mind banners for the free service, but at $100/year it kind of
> > pisses me off.
> > Two heavy banner ads and another three smaller ads weigh down the
> > pages so much that the site is virtually unusable with my wireless
> > service.

> > Florian

> It's kind alike cable TV in the beginning,fist a few commercial free
> channels and then nothing but 1000 shitty ones.
> BTW tomorrow looking good for Gilgo, Side shore!!!

Yep, see you there.

Florian

 
 
 

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Post by josh.sampi.. » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:27:19

I'll add in my two cents.

Yes, the banners tick me off - especially since most seem to be for
kiteboarding!

BUT

the new wind graphs are cool - and, have you tried the wind station/
google maps overlay? SWEET!

Also, I use iwindsurf on my cell phone, and it's all text based - no
ads or anything.

Florian, are you pointing your phone's browser to
www_dot_iwindsurf_dot_com    or  wap_dot_iwindsurf_dot_com?

I use the second one, which seems to be almost entirely text based,
and smaller, condensed graphs ....

And to preempt any questions, yes, they do advertise with the mag, and
no, that's not the reason I'm telling you this. I've been an avid user
since before my time w/ the mag, and I've find it absolutely
indispensable in the Gorge, Cape Cod, or Bay area.

Here in FL, i don't get the benefit of the real-person forecasting,
which makes it not as worth it.

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuse » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:48:35


Quote:

> Yes, the banners tick me off - especially since most seem to be for
> kiteboarding!

You'd think that they would at least get the target-specific marketing right...

Quote:

> BUT

> the new wind graphs are cool - and, have you tried the wind station/
> google maps overlay? SWEET!

Not sure what that has to do with ads other than it must have cost them
a bit of money.
The google maps overlay doesnt do anything for me. It's just another
way to look at the same thing (data). What we need around here instead
are human forcasts in those months it actually blows.

Quote:

> Also, I use iwindsurf on my cell phone, and it's all text based - no
> ads or anything.

> Florian, are you pointing your phone's browser to
> www_dot_iwindsurf_dot_com    or  wap_dot_iwindsurf_dot_com?

I am using a regular browser with the phone in "tethered" (bluetooth)
mode as a modem.

--
florian - NY22

http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/team/florianfeuser.html

 
 
 

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Post by josh.sampi.. » Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:24:31

Quote:
> You'd think that they would at least get the target-specific marketing right...

I guess  they assume there's crossover appeal ... I'm not so sure...

Quote:
> I am using a regular browser with the phone in "tethered" (bluetooth)
> mode as a modem.

Errrrr.... blue-huh?  just kidding. Haven't tried it w/ bluetooth,
sorry I can't offer any help. I'm using the browser native to my
Sprint RAZR phone - works fine, and no ads, banners - one iWindsurfing
logo and the wind graphs.
Too bad the phone is piece of S***....
 
 
 

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Post by a_ma.. » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:09:51


Quote:
> the new wind graphs are cool - and, have you tried the wind station/
> google maps overlay? SWEET!

> Also, I use iwindsurf on my cell phone, and it's all text based - no
> ads or anything.

> Florian, are you pointing your phone's browser to
> www_dot_iwindsurf_dot_com    or  wap_dot_iwindsurf_dot_com?

> I use the second one, which seems to be almost entirely text based,
> and smaller, condensed graphs ....

If you're using their wap service, you're getting a lightweight
version of the site, w/o the ads, and with lower graphics content.
That's a good thing if you're coming in over a wireless connection -
but it costs extra (wireless web membership, as opposed to FX
membership). If you're using a regular web browser on a wireless
device such as a Blackberry (like the Blackberry or Opera browsers),
you'll run into two issues. One is speed - all that flashing stuff and
all the eye candy will severely slow you down. The other is usability
- the new overlay maps simply don't display right in the Blackberry
browser, and they don't fully work in Opera either.

So to get the streamlined version free of eye-candy and advertising,
you'll have to pay extra. Which just gives you one more option, and
ensures that people who value it generate extra revenue for iWindsurf.
Economists call that price discrimination - charging a different price
for different options/flavors of a product based on demand for those
differentiated products, not based on cost (since the WAP page, if
anything, should cost less to produce than the graphics and gizmo
heavy standard interface). The software world is full of examples -
products where there's a regular and a pro version - the only
difference being what features are unlocked and thus usable based on
your license code (since the code included in the different versions
is the same - you just can't use some of it - so one product costs the
mfg exactly the same as the other - the price differential is due to
the demand differential).

One thing iW could do is to offer an ad-free site for a premium
(similar to how you can use Eudora in free/ad-supported mode, or in
premium/ad-free mode for a small fee). How many users would pony up
for that, I wonder? Probably not enough to justify the additional web
development.

-Andreas
http://g-42.blogspot.com

 
 
 

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Post by windmtn_p.. » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:39:41

To tell you the truth, I can count on one hand (perhaps one finger)
how many flashing ads I've clicked on in the last 50 years (and I'm
only 47).  Just doesn't grab my attention -- trick ads just don't work
on me -- just like TV ads, I've developed a sharp ability to 'tune
them out'.  OTOH, these ads do irritate me... that's one of the
reasons I have no desire to resume my long standing relationship with
iWindsurf.
 
 
 

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Post by (PeteCresswell » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:42:59


Quote:
>One thing iW could do is to offer an ad-free site for a premium
>(similar to how you can use Eudora in free/ad-supported mode, or in
>premium/ad-free mode for a small fee). How many users would pony up
>for that, I wonder? Probably not enough to justify the additional web
>development.

For me it's not ads vs ad-free.  It's the flashing/moving ads that interfere
with the basic functionality (from the user's perspective) of the page.

When something flashes, the eye wants to zero in on it - and it's stressful to
have to keep fighting that reflex in order to read the page.
--
PeteCresswell

 
 
 

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Post by Glenn Woodel » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:57:30


Quote:
>> You'd think that they would at least get the target-specific marketing right...

>I guess  they assume there's crossover appeal ... I'm not so sure...

That and there are very few windsurfing companies buying ads. Whether
we like it or not, kiting is where the money is right now. See if you
can come up with a list of windsurfers who are "cheap". You'll
probably find a lot. Not so with kiters in general. This is just the
reality of the market now. The kiters are generally younger and not
necessarily so wise with their money and wanting to be on the latest
gear. It's much more about image than windsurfing is to us.

Look at so many shops struggling to stay in business. Many are
dedicated to windsurfing but being forced to cater to kiting in order
to stay alive. Many shops make their money on lessons and not the
gear. And now kiting lessons far outnumber windsurfing ones around
here.

iWindsurf in particular is dedicated to windsurfing. But in order to
finance the windsurfing end of it, they must seek out sources of
revenue outside of windsurfing. That includes kiting for sure but
there is a lot of money being found in the military and other genres.
From what I can tell it takes a lot of money to keep everything
operating. The weather stations and telemetry systems are very
expensive and they are having to be replaced/repaired about as fast as
they go up.

I'm partial to the iW crew because I know they are dedicated while
their resources are limited. Anyone want to give up their high paying
job and their ability to windsurf whenever they want to go do
equipment installations all the time or do programming? Not me for
sure.

I have my frustrations with the service but there's nothing out there
that can even come close, at least for my area. If you enjoy reading
isobar maps then go for it. I don't.

As far as the ads go, I despise ads on websites but for whatever
reason I have gotten used to them and hadn't really noticed them after
being so numb to them already from other sites. And right now I'm not
seeing any.

This is all inside information and not conjecture by the way. Kite ads
are the market right now. They'd gladly post windsurfing ones but the
market is just not there for them right now.

Glenn

 
 
 

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Post by Juan » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:57:37

Quote:


>> One thing iW could do is to offer an ad-free site for a premium
>> (similar to how you can use Eudora in free/ad-supported mode, or in
>> premium/ad-free mode for a small fee). How many users would pony up
>> for that, I wonder? Probably not enough to justify the additional web
>> development.

> For me it's not ads vs ad-free.  It's the flashing/moving ads that interfere
> with the basic functionality (from the user's perspective) of the page.

> When something flashes, the eye wants to zero in on it - and it's stressful to
> have to keep fighting that reflex in order to read the page.

Firefox + adblock = not a single ad in iwindsurf.com.

++*Juan-- (who owes his salary to ads, but the relevant, non-flashy,
non-intrusive ones).

 
 
 

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Post by Glenn Woodel » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:01:28



Quote:
>One thing iW could do is to offer an ad-free site for a premium
>(similar to how you can use Eudora in free/ad-supported mode, or in
>premium/ad-free mode for a small fee). How many users would pony up
>for that, I wonder? Probably not enough to justify the additional web
>development.

>-Andreas
>http://g-42.blogspot.com

I bet you're right on that.

Glenn

 
 
 

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Post by Glenn Woodel » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:09:25

Quote:



>>> One thing iW could do is to offer an ad-free site for a premium
>>> (similar to how you can use Eudora in free/ad-supported mode, or in
>>> premium/ad-free mode for a small fee). How many users would pony up
>>> for that, I wonder? Probably not enough to justify the additional web
>>> development.

>> For me it's not ads vs ad-free.  It's the flashing/moving ads that interfere
>> with the basic functionality (from the user's perspective) of the page.

>> When something flashes, the eye wants to zero in on it - and it's stressful to
>> have to keep fighting that reflex in order to read the page.

>Firefox + adblock = not a single ad in iwindsurf.com.

>++*Juan-- (who owes his salary to ads, but the relevant, non-flashy,
>non-intrusive ones).

Maybe that's why I'm not seeing them. I use Firefox almost
exclusively. Is there anything else?  :)

Glenn

 
 
 

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Post by Juan » Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:25:57

Quote:

> Maybe that's why I'm not seeing them. I use Firefox almost
> exclusively. Is there anything else?  :)

Not that I know of :-)

++*Juan--