Windsurfing Hangover

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Barry Pa » Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:13:30


Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
morning after a long days blasting?

I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
hence the similarity to a hangover. I try to bring liquids to the beach with me
but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to
return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this
problem other than increased self-discipline?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Protect me from what I want" - Jenny Holzer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Joel Gringort » Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:28:21

|>
|> Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
|> morning after a long days blasting?

Only if it didn't blow...

:-)  joel

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by George Skillman x29 » Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:06:13

Quote:

>... I try to bring liquids to the beach with me
>but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to
>return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this
>problem other than increased self-discipline?

My windsurfing buddy has a neat waist harness that holds a can***.
I'm not talking about a regular pie-shaped can***; it's shaped like
a half-moon and is integrally built into the harness.  I think hikers
use it but he really likes it for when he's way off shore and is thirsty.
I'm thinking about getting one myself.
--
=============================================================
George Skillman (408) 433-2921

NEC America

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Kirk Lindstr » Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:27:49

Quote:
>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?

>I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
>hence the similarity to a hangover. I try to bring liquids to the beach with me
>but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to
>return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this
>problem other than increased self-discipline?
>--


----------
I weigh myself after each session and try to make sure I'm NEVER less than
4 lbs less than I should be (about 210-212 at the end of a day).  If I'm less,
I switch to a cooler wetsuit and that seems to do the trick.  Plus, I try NOT
top sail over 2 hours without comming in for some water and a soda.  With a
15-20 minute break, I find I sail much better and it is worth the slog to and
from the wind at Coyote or whereever I'm sailing - even the Powerlines on a
weekend where you might have to wait 15 minutes in line to get out.

Kirk

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Will Est » Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:54:37

Quote:
>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?

This is something I was going to look into soon as well.  I
don't have the headaches or dizziness, but I definitely have
lethargy the day after sailing, and my muscles don't seem to
have any glycogen stored in them because even a simple weight
workout is almost impossible for me.  The muscle tiredness
that I experience after windsurfing is much, much
different than what I experience after a heavy weight workout.
The weight workout creates a very localized soreness in just
those muscles that were exercised, and I only feel pain in the
muscle when I use it.  To contrast, windsurfing creates a
generalized weakness in nearly every muscle in my body and a
sensation that I lack the energy to do any exercise the following
day.

One theory I'm toying with is that lactic acid builds up in the
muscles while windsurfing, and it might be that some of us are
not very efficient at removing all traces of the lactic acid
buildup.  Maybe someone who runs marathons would have some idea
as to whether the feeling that I describe has anything to do
with lactic acid?  Is there anything that you can take to
accelerate the removal of lactic acid?

Thanks,

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Richard Engelbrecht-Wigga » Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:05:29


Quote:

>>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>>morning after a long days blasting?

>This is something I was going to look into soon as well.  I
>don't have the headaches or dizziness, but I definitely have
>lethargy the day after sailing, and my muscles don't seem to
>have any glycogen stored in them because even a simple weight
>workout is almost impossible for me.  The muscle tiredness
>that I experience after windsurfing is much, much
>different than what I experience after a heavy weight workout.
>The weight workout creates a very localized soreness in just
>those muscles that were exercised, and I only feel pain in the
>muscle when I use it.  To contrast, windsurfing creates a
>generalized weakness in nearly every muscle in my body and a
>sensation that I lack the energy to do any exercise the following
>day.

>One theory I'm toying with is that lactic acid builds up in the
>muscles while windsurfing, and it might be that some of us are
>not very efficient at removing all traces of the lactic acid
>buildup.  Maybe someone who runs marathons would have some idea
>as to whether the feeling that I describe has anything to do
>with lactic acid?  Is there anything that you can take to
>accelerate the removal of lactic acid?

The feeling you describe approximates what I feel after a long day sailing, or
a long day rowing, or completing in a triathalon, or....  My (inexpert) theory
is that--in addition to the dehydration problems mentioned earlier--sailing
uses so many different muscles that you can really run yourself down before any
single muscle gives out.  Weight lifting may be more specific to particular
muscles, and the individual muscles may give out before they can take much of a
toll on your energy reserves.  In a similar vein, a middle distance track race
will really kill a few specific muscles for several days, but hardly affect my
ability to participate in other sports.

Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;


 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Benjamin Hol » Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:52:25

Personally, I kinda love that sensation.....  it feels incredibly
relaxing and when  your hitting on the babes back on shore over some
beers you feel like king of the world....... the symptoms you guys
describe to me is more along the lines of sunstroke which I have
experienced on those horrible looks-like-wind-but-isn't days.......


Just my two cents. Don't flame me please. I've died in many a flame war.

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Juri Munk » Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:08:35

Quote:

>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?

It now takes two consecutive days of high wind windsurfing for me to
get these symptoms, but it happens to me quite regularly. I also call
it a windsurfing hangover or "dagen efter surfen" (Swedish).

I also get depression and rapid mood changes if I don't cure the hangover
with more windsurfing (lighter conditions are ok).

I guess I'm ***ed to windsurfing.

Quote:
>I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
>hence the similarity to a hangover. I try to bring liquids to the beach with me
>but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to
>return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this
>problem other than increased self-discipline?

Drinking doesn't seem to help. I always have plenty of soft drinks at the
beach and I usually return to shore every two hours or more often.

My guess is that the hangover is just a result from the physical exertion.

--
  Juri Munkki                                          Windsurf: fast sailing

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Charles H. Buchhol » Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:53:37

Quote:

>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness,
>and headaches the morning after a long days blasting?

>Drinking doesn't seem to help. I always have plenty of soft drinks at the
>beach and I usually return to shore every two hours or more often.

I've noticed similar symptoms just from spending a day in the sun.
I'm a mouth breather (due to chronic, mild alergies), and I also sweat
enough to form puddles if I stand still.  The combination of these two
traits make me very susceptible to dehydration.

I've found that drinking soft drinks may not help.  Some soft drinks
contain enough diarhetics (sp?), such as caffiene, that they do more
harm than good.  Suger and salt also affect the way your cells absorb
water.  

For me, straight water does the trick.  Sometimes I mix a little
gatoraid or fruit juice with the water, maybe one part juice to 3
parts water.

I used to come home from a day in the sun feeling very tired, and I'd
immediatly take a nap.  I discovered that I'd wake up in about an hour
feeling like a truck had run over me.

Now, I've learned to resist the urge to lie down, because I don't need
rest, I need *water*.  Six*** ounces of water, and a cool or luke
warm shower completely removes the symptoms.  A friend of mine heard
from his doctor that cold or hot showers dehydrate the skin, but that
your skin will absorb luke warm or room temperature water.  I've
discovered that drinking alone doesn't work nearly as well as drinking
and a shower.

Hope this info helps someone!

-------------------------------------
                                   /
                                  ----------------------------> Chip

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Richard Beaudo » Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:54:53

Quote:
>but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to
>return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this
>problem other than increased self-discipline?

Would be nice to have someone waiting in chest high water with a cup of
water (or whatever) and hand you the drink as you jibe by (one handed jibe).
Like in a marathon.
 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Bobd D » Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:42:19

Quote:


>>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>>morning after a long days blasting?

I agree that "windsurfing hangover" exists.  Last year somebody
suggested the same thing, but he called it "windsurfing depression."  I
started participating in master's swimming a few years ago, but since I
got into windsurfing I find it hard to make the monday swimming workout
because of being so lethargic and depleted from the weekend sailing.  A
4,000 meter swimming workout in the morning will definitely make you
easy going and relaxed the rest of the day, but the next day you feel
like being active, as opposed to a big windsurfing session.

I think the wetsuit has something to do with it, either through dehydration
or some other effect that is probably best discussed on alt.sex.***.
At any rate, last summer I tried to pay attention to how I felt after
sailing in Maui with no wetsuit, and I definitely felt better the next
day.

Doug Haut (famous local shaper) tells me that he limits himself to 2
hours a day max because he's just learned over the years that that's
what his limit is.  This year I'm making a point of getting to the
beach later so I sail less but in the best winds -- that seems to help
too.

Diet -- my suggestion is to watch what you eat for the first few
hours after a Sunday sail-- a bag of macaroons is good and provides fiber.
Then eat continuously until Tuesday.

Best solution of course would be to retire so you could sail every day
and either build yourself up or wipe yourself out completely, which
solves the problem either way.

Come to think of it, when I was learning and was down in the water all
the time, staying cool and getting plenty of electrolytes and
heavy metals administered nasally, this problem of next day lethargy
wasn't nearly so bad.  It really coincided with starting to make a
few jibes.  So it must be dehydration.

Any other tips on maintaining the proper water level?

******************************************************************************
Bob Dow

8'8" Haut Chophopper, and many Neil Pryde sails that have given me much
pleasure.

 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Chatzigianis To » Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:51:18

|>
|> >but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to
|> >return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this
|> >problem other than increased self-discipline?
|>  
|> Would be nice to have someone waiting in chest high water with a cup of
|> water (or whatever) and hand you the drink as you jibe by (one handed jibe).
|> Like in a marathon.
|>
|>
        I have a better idea. Why can't someone install a cup holder on the boom
        or mast an carry his/her own drink(s) ? After all sailboats have that
        That will force you to do smooth jibes as well.

--
*********************************************************
An eye for an eye                 Tony Chatzi
will make the world go blind      ASD Video x3418
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Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Richard Engelbrecht-Wigga » Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:14:13


Quote:


>Any other tips on maintaining the proper water level?

There is an old saying in endurance sports that "once you are thirsty,
you are already "too" far down the road of dehydration." This agrees
exactly with my experience.  To reduce the problem, I am constantly
concerned about rehydration.  At a minimum, I drink 2 liters of water
an hour or two before starting sailing.  If it is hot, I drink another
liter or so just before starting.  (Everything here is measured in
liters because I carry my water in two-liter soft drink bottles.)

Next, I drink a lot while sailing.  In hot weather, it may come to two
liters every two hours; that is about the same as my wife and I each
used to consume back in our long distance bicycling days.

Finally, I try to watch out for dehydration by monitering my weight.
I weigh myself first thing in the morning each day, and interprete a
weight drop of more than 1-2 pounds as a warning; a drop that big is
almost certainly water loss.   Until my weight is back up to "normal,"
I continue to drink large amounts of water...up to a liter with each
meal.  I have also noticed, that my weight sometimes rebounds very
quickly (6-12 hours) after a good sweat, and then drops again; I suspect
that this is because because my body didn't actually absord enough water
yet.

Drinking this much water doesn't eliminate the "hangover," but it does
make a big difference, both in the harshness of the hangover and its
duration...or is this just my imagination (any sports physiologists out
there?)

Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;


 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Will Est » Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:29:07

Quote:

>Finally, I try to watch out for dehydration by monitering my weight.
>I weigh myself first thing in the morning each day, and interprete a
>weight drop of more than 1-2 pounds as a warning; a drop that big is
>almost certainly water loss.   Until my weight is back up to "normal,"
>I continue to drink large amounts of water...up to a liter with each
>meal.  

That sounds like great advice.  I notice that my weight can change as
much as 5 pounds in just two days, so it's probably good to take watch
of such changes and act swiftly when they happen.


 
 
 

Windsurfing Hangover

Post by Robert Rivie » Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:36:49

IMHO, certainly dehydratation is an important  factor.

But there is a thing which nobody said about, that's the fact that
sailing is in a certain manner a _static_ effort. ( In comparison to
other long-during sports like marathon, swimming, etc...)

I've read in a magazin to stretch yourself after a session. I try to
do it, and it's *true* it makes quite a lot of goodness.

Any advice or medical explanation ????

-
Robert Riviere
Custom,Tiga,Art,Neil Pryde,North. No more Gaastra !