I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Joemgrah » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00


I find it very very difficult to get the sail unstuck from the water, when
preparing for a water start.  I end up dragging the boom across the board
to help me, but that can exhaust me quickly, as I am trying to swim up
wind to stop the non-mast end of the sail sinking into the water.

Any advice would be really welcome

Thanks

Joe

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by NLW TFW » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Ya push or or pull the mast and board tail together so the boom head meets
the tail. Then ya push the board tail down with one hand and the boom up
with the other as ya scissor the boom onto the tail. That part's almost
effortless. Then let physics -- gravity, Boyle's Law, etc. -- do the rest
of the work. Voila! Up pops the sail.

If your boom is too high to rest on the tail, lower it. Once you get more
accustomed to waterstarting, that becomes less necessary. But when I'm
using larger sails, say 5.2 or larger, my booms are set to rest on the
tail, whatever that takes. I crash enough that waterstarting ease is
critical to me, more important than perfect geometry or radically
wide-point-back boards.  If I'm not crashing often enough,  I'm sailing
too conservatively. And I don't think you'll ever see me trying to
waterstart a big-sleeved sail that I can't rest on the tail.  This is
supposed to be fun, not torture.

Mike \m/
Never Leave Wind To Find Wind

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by WNDSRFRS » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

I find it very very difficult to get the sail unstuck from the water, when
preparing for a water start.  I end up dragging the boom across the board
to help me, but that can exhaust me quickly, as I am trying to swim up
wind to stop the non-mast end of the sail sinking into the water.

Any advice would be really welcome

Thanks

Joe

What you are probably doing while trying to waterstart is grabbing the
boom. You need to grab the mast and form an X with your arms. Suppose you
are on a starboard tack,  use your left arm to stablize your board and
your right arm to grab the mast above the boom. Just pull the sail to
windward and it will glide out of the water enabling you to prepare for
your waterstart. Good luck!

Jeff
http://members.aol.com/wndsrfrsfc1
(F2 Boards, North Rigs)

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Jay Run » Sun, 15 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Move further up the mast about 3 feet.  Clear the top of the sail,
the bottom will clear, then move down.

Jay

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by TomBuckO » Sun, 15 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Sometimes I swim out to the very tip of the sail and "fly" it from there,
then "walk" down the mast (to the booms) until the whole thing is out of
the water.  That way you have some leverage on your side.  

Also, I wear a PFD - the greatest benefit of which is that it is lots
easier to get the sail out of the water without self-dunking.

Tom O'Brien - Chicago
AHD 297 Free, HI-PER Tech 9' 0", Mistral Competition
NEALPRYDE, Gaastra, MultiSail, Powerex, WH, etc.
(as they say in the UK - a real dog's breakfast)

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Niclas Ingfeld » Sun, 15 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I find it very very difficult to get the sail unstuck from the water, when
> preparing for a water start.  I end up dragging the boom across the board
> to help me, but that can exhaust me quickly, as I am trying to swim up
> wind to stop the non-mast end of the sail sinking into the water.

> Any advice would be really welcome

> Thanks

> Joe

Hi Joe!

I have two tricks i use to help me get the sail up. The first i try to
do, if the sail is much under the water, is to push the back of the
board under the boom, that will help the sail to get above the water.
The other trick is to swim up to the mast-top and simply push it up from
the water. As the wind now starts blowing into the sail you should work
your way back to the boom, all the time holding the mast.

Niclas


 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Kent Brownin » Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I find it very very difficult to get the sail unstuck from the water, when
> preparing for a water start.  I end up dragging the boom across the board
> to help me, but that can exhaust me quickly, as I am trying to swim up
> wind to stop the non-mast end of the sail sinking into the water.

> Any advice would be really welcome

> Thanks

> Joe

I didn't see anyone mention to pull the sail out of the water like you
are throwing the mast forward.  It is the only way to overcome the
weight
of the water laying on top of the sail.  Think of it as sliding the sail
thru the water the same way it 'slides' thru the wind, only with a
little
more lift to clear the water in your arm length.  The easiest way is to
get the booms onto the tail of the board.  If the clew (non-mast end) is
sinking, make sure the boom plugs are still in and sealed.  

Good Luck,

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Gil Woolle » Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I find it very very difficult to get the sail unstuck from the water, when
> preparing for a water start.  I end up dragging the boom across the board
> to help me, but that can exhaust me quickly, as I am trying to swim up
> wind to stop the non-mast end of the sail sinking into the water.

> Any advice would be really welcome

> Thanks

> Joe

Joe,

Wear some extra flotation. I always wear a lifejacket intended to hold
me up and to not interfere with my hook for my harness. If I had to tred
water to hold up the mastand sail, I'd get exhausted, too.

Don't try to clear the sail until you have the mast end of the sail
about 45 to 90 degrees to the wind. You want to get help from the wind
shedding the water and lifting the mast and sail.

Pop the cams upward. That helps shed the water faster. Then draw the
mast and sail toward the wind. Water on top of the sail should tend to
flow backwards off the leech of the sail. As the wind gets underneath,
the rest of the water should flow off quickly.

Make sure that the bungs are in the mast and are not letting water seep
past them. If you are trying to raise a mast full of water, you are
fighting a losing battle.

Finally, be aware that some race sails with enormous luff sleeves hold a
lot of water. More recreationally oriented sails have smaller luff
sleeves to make it easier to water start.

If you are stuck with a sail with too large a luff sleeve, it is
probably permissible (you have my permission :) ) to use a hot soldering
iron to burn/melt some small drain holes in the luff sleeve to permit it
to drain faster.

Gil Woolley

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Glesh » Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:00:00

My $.02:

Since I'm lazy, I do the following for water starts:
1.  I always wear a life jacket to save energy.
2. Whenever the sail is leeward of the board with the tail and the mast
and tail  pointing the same way, I just push the board under the boom to
lift the sail.

This will work for yo,also.

Luck,

Bob

 
 
 

I need help getting sail unstuck on waterstarts

Post by Neau » Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:00:00

I'd like to second Gil's idea about making drain holes in the luff sleeve.
 I use a 7.4 Windwing race sail with a large sleeve.  It fills up
immediately with water when immersed, and this sail has a 17 foot luff
length.  It had gotten a hole in the luff sleeve near batten 2, and I
watched the water pour out of the hole whenever I set the boom on the tail
of the board to prepare to waterstart.  Finally, I took a soldering iron
and made a series of drain holes on both sides of the luff sleeve in the
loose cloth behind the mast above batten 2 (your sail probably has some
non-loadbearing cloth there as well).  The water in the top part of the
luff sleeve, where it has the most leverage when you're trying to fly the
sail, now drains much more rapidly.  I don't try to fly the sail until I
see that water's no longer draining out.  If you're not using a brand new
sail, give this a try.

You should also consider mast foot position.  In my case (AHD Omega, 9.4),
the board sails well with the foot in the back three inches of the track
(59 to 62" from the tail), but not well with the foot  62 to 68" from the
tail, so I have to use the rear part of the track, but you may be able to
move the mast foot forward and get more flotation under the boom when
you're preparing to start.  

Here's one more idea.  When you set the boom on the tail of the board,
water will drain faster from the sleeve if the cambers are down.  I had a
1994 Prisma 6.5 that I had to camber down to get the sleeve to empty, then
camber up to make it fly.  With the cambers up, the top part of the mast
stayed down in the water and  it would never drain.  This idea applies to
uphauling also.  Most sails will float with the mast on the surface and
little water in the sleeve with the cambers down.  If they're up, the
sleeve may be full of water and almost impossible to uphaul  without back
strain.  I don't have any intention of buying sails with more than two
cambers or a large sleeve in the future.  

Good luck.