Beginning intermediate South SF Bay sites?

Beginning intermediate South SF Bay sites?

Post by Chris Schefle » Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
beginning/intermediate?

I have sailed quite a bit in the Gorge this summer, but I live in Santa
Cruz, and have never sailed there, but want to start.  I can waterstart
pretty well in adequate wind and can sail o.k. but I am still working on
harness and footstraps, and haven't even started on jibing.  I am farily
versed in what sail to rig for what conditions and have learned the
importance of talking to sailors at the site about what to rig.  My
quiver is 3.8, 4.2, 4.6, 5.0, 5.4, 7.0.  I have a wide 130L 9'2" board
(AHD FD 70), and a 103L 9' board (HiFly 275FX).

What Bay Area and South Bay Area spots are most forgiving of people at
my skill level?  What I want to avoid, of course, is finding myself
unable to sail back to shore, either because of too much wind or too
little, strong currents, and get stranded off-shore or in front of
marine traffic.

I am an intermediate surfer and boogie boarder, and an avid surf
watcher, so I am pretty competent and judging surf and knowing what to
stay away from as far as surf goes, rip tides, etc.  I know how to get
outside on a surfboard, but not a sailboard.  I guess the technique is
the same except instead of finding the right spot and the right moment
and paddling like mad for the next shoulder, you do all the same things
except sail like mad.  In any case, of course I prefer to avoid surf and
have no intention of attempting to wave sail, I just mean to say that I
can probably get out past small surf and know better than to try to get
out past anything I can't handle, know about sets, going over the falls,
holdowns, etc.  (been there done that plenty of times).

Any advice on where to sail in Santa Cruz, South Bay, and/or SF Bay area
would be greatly appreciated, esp. in Sept.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

 
 
 

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Post by John Lechmani » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:10:46


Quote:
> Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
> beginning/intermediate?

> I have sailed quite a bit in the Gorge this summer, but I live in Santa
> Cruz, and have never sailed there, but want to start.  I can waterstart
> pretty well in adequate wind and can sail o.k. but I am still working on
> harness and footstraps, and haven't even started on jibing.  I am farily
> versed in what sail to rig for what conditions and have learned the
> importance of talking to sailors at the site about what to rig.  My
> quiver is 3.8, 4.2, 4.6, 5.0, 5.4, 7.0.  I have a wide 130L 9'2" board
> (AHD FD 70), and a 103L 9' board (HiFly 275FX).

> What Bay Area and South Bay Area spots are most forgiving of people at
> my skill level?  What I want to avoid, of course, is finding myself
> unable to sail back to shore, either because of too much wind or too
> little, strong currents, and get stranded off-shore or in front of
> marine traffic.

Geeze Chris, you aren't asking much :-)

Almost any Bay Area windsurfing site would work (check www.Iwinsurf.com  or
something like that for listings).  I live in the east bay so I'm partial to
Pt. Isabel, Berkeley, or if it's blowing my preference is the Delta (more
like a low key gorge) at Sherman Island.  Berkeley and Pt. Isabel blow on
shore or close to it.  Berkeley has a large range of sailors from beginners
to advanced.  You can sail within your means there.  I prefer Pt. Isabel
because it has long reaches (not good for practicing turns) and there is no
wind shadow.  If it's blowing, Sherman Island (or Windy Cove) is great.
It's located on a river channel and you tend to sail in the morning or late
in the afternoon.  Many camp along the river here.  The water is warmer
(i.e. 1/2 shortie), the air is warmer,  and if it's an ebb tide, it will
resemble the gorge.

I've also sailed Rod and Gun (Marin county) and Candlestick.  Candlestick ge
ts a large following (closer to you also), but it does blow off shore.  That
should not be a problem if your pointing skills are decent.

My experience is that Crissy requires more skill and/or confidence.

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Post by Chris Schefle » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:15:33

John,

Thanks those two sites sound perfect.  Low key gorge with a 1/2 shortie in the
Bay Area!  YES!!!!
What more could I ask for?  Thanks alot for the advice.  I love Bezerkely
anyway.  Yeah, I read
some descriptions of Crissy Field and it sounded intimidating.  I don't want to
sail anywhere that
blows offshore so Candlestick is out for now.

Of course Wadell Creek is only 20 minutes from my house.  I think it blows side
shore there.  I wonder if I could handle that on small (surf) days?

How's it blowing down there lately?  Becalmed in the Gorge for 4 days straight
now and I'm about 1 inch from cutting my vacation a few days short, hopping in
my van, and pointing home!

Chris

Quote:



> > Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
> > beginning/intermediate?

> > I have sailed quite a bit in the Gorge this summer, but I live in Santa
> > Cruz, and have never sailed there, but want to start.  I can waterstart
> > pretty well in adequate wind and can sail o.k. but I am still working on
> > harness and footstraps, and haven't even started on jibing.  I am farily
> > versed in what sail to rig for what conditions and have learned the
> > importance of talking to sailors at the site about what to rig.  My
> > quiver is 3.8, 4.2, 4.6, 5.0, 5.4, 7.0.  I have a wide 130L 9'2" board
> > (AHD FD 70), and a 103L 9' board (HiFly 275FX).

> > What Bay Area and South Bay Area spots are most forgiving of people at
> > my skill level?  What I want to avoid, of course, is finding myself
> > unable to sail back to shore, either because of too much wind or too
> > little, strong currents, and get stranded off-shore or in front of
> > marine traffic.

> Geeze Chris, you aren't asking much :-)

> Almost any Bay Area windsurfing site would work (check www.Iwinsurf.com  or
> something like that for listings).  I live in the east bay so I'm partial to
> Pt. Isabel, Berkeley, or if it's blowing my preference is the Delta (more
> like a low key gorge) at Sherman Island.  Berkeley and Pt. Isabel blow on
> shore or close to it.  Berkeley has a large range of sailors from beginners
> to advanced.  You can sail within your means there.  I prefer Pt. Isabel
> because it has long reaches (not good for practicing turns) and there is no
> wind shadow.  If it's blowing, Sherman Island (or Windy Cove) is great.
> It's located on a river channel and you tend to sail in the morning or late
> in the afternoon.  Many camp along the river here.  The water is warmer
> (i.e. 1/2 shortie), the air is warmer,  and if it's an ebb tide, it will
> resemble the gorge.

> I've also sailed Rod and Gun (Marin county) and Candlestick.  Candlestick ge
> ts a large following (closer to you also), but it does blow off shore.  That
> should not be a problem if your pointing skills are decent.

> My experience is that Crissy requires more skill and/or confidence.

> --
> John Lechmanik
> http://members.home.net/johnhl

> To Reply directly put "johnhl" where it belongs


 
 
 

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Post by Pete » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:10:46 GMT, "John Lechmanik"

< If it's blowing, Sherman Island (or Windy Cove) is great.

Quote:
>It's located on a river channel and you tend to sail in the morning or late
>in the afternoon.  Many camp along the river here.  The water is warmer
>(i.e. 1/2 shortie), the air is warmer,  and if it's an ebb tide, it will
>resemble the gorge.

I sailed the Sandbar with ABK clinics.  For Chris, Windy Cove would be
fine because he can waterstart quickly (?) but with the strong
currents there, uphauling is not a very good option.

Peter

p.s.  John - it's interesting that we're both into scuba (Monterey
style), this and climbing....  you don't collect antique radios too?

 
 
 

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Post by Benjamin Kaufma » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Chris,

Congratulations. You have one of the few posts, looking for a sailing site,
where the Lakes Bay man hasn't tried to steer you to his place in New Jersey. I
can't figure it out. After all, it's only 2,950 miles out of the way.  

Ben
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:22:25 GMT, Chris Schefler

Quote:

>Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
>beginning/intermediate?

SNIP
 
 
 

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Post by Chris Schefle » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Hey Peter,

Yeah, I hope to see you there.  I'm sure I could give you some waterstarting
tips.  Actually it sounds like you are ahead of me!  I have never even attempted
to tack since I've been using shortboards, let alone jibe!!!  I envy that you can
tack AND sometimes even jibe!  And if you are in the harness and working
on the foot strap then you're only a few sessions behind me on that because
I found that progressed fairly quickly, and I still haven't quite nailed it (but
I haven't sailed in almost 2 weeks for various reasons, not the least of which
has been lack of wind).  The only thing I'm ahead of you on is waterstarting,
I've got than down cold.

I think you definitely got the right idea about working on steering the board
with the sail in shallow water.  That is the crucial first step. I don't know how
I missed your post on waterstarting, I would have responded if I'd seen it.

The problem I first had when waterstarting was whenever I'd fly the sail
the board would round up into the wind.  This was solved by pulling the
sail further forward into the wind quickly.  So let's say the wind is from
your left, so you're on the left side of the board and the sail is as always
leeward with the mast towards the wind, with the boom resting on the
tail.  Your right hand should be grasping the rear footstrap, your left
hand grasping the mast just above the boom.  In one quick motion
pull the mast towards the wind and up a little bit so it catches the wind.
I had to learn to pull it so far forward that my left arm was comletely
extended and locked at the elbow and shoulder, and that stopped the
rounding up problem.  Later I refined this into steering, the more you pull
the mast into the wind, the more the board will steer downwind, the more
you push it back towards the board, the more the board will steer upwind.
(You can also steer the board in this position by applying and releasing
mast foot pressure, i.e. pushing the mast towards the foot or the
opposite, but this is much more difficult than steering with moving the
mast windward and leeward, and a more advanced technique that it
seems to me is only useful once in a while).

After I got to where I could steer the board with the sail while preparing
to waterstart, the next step was putting my foot (or feet) onto the board.
My first instructor was really bad, he taught us to put both feet on the
board.  That only works in the highest winds.  I have since learned that
it is much better to put only the rear foot on the board until you are
standing.  It works MUCH better in lighter winds and even works in
high winds too, it just takes a little less energy to put up both legs
in high winds and let the sail pull you up more, but for learning you
want to be using just the rear leg.

Imagine you are lying on the ground with one foot up on a bench and
you want to stand up on the bench, somebody is standing on the bench
reaching down to give you a hand.  It's going to be much easier for you
to stand  up on the bench with one leg first (and easier for them to pull
you up) than if you put both feet up and then they try to pull you up.

The other advantage of standing with only the rear foot first is it puts
alot of pressure on the tail as you stand helping to prevent the board
from rounding up which is the hardest thing to overcome when water
starting.

So you got the sail flying, the board is across the wind, rear foot
is on the tail in front of the rear strap.  Next get both hands on the
boom.  Work on being able to hold this position for a long time
before trying to waterstart.  You need to be totally stable in this
position before even attempting the start.  That is, sail flying,
one foot on the board, both hands on the boom, and maintaining
the proper orientation of the board to the wind.  Once you can
hold that position for 30 seconds or more you're ready to try to
start.

Another problem I had early on was thinking the sail was supposed to
pull me up by my arms, via the boom.  I finally learned that the sail
is not supposed to pull me up (except it can when you are advanced
and in very high winds) but while learning it was a big mistake for me
trying to get the sail to pull me up.  What I learned is you have to
get the sail upright on the board, then pull YOURSELF up by
using the boom like a chin up bar once the mast is vertical.

So from the stabilized position just described, the next step is
to tilt the mast forward to try to get it as vertical as possible
while you are still in the water.  The more vertical you get the
mast, the more you can pull yourself straight up like a chin up
bar, standing on your rear foot.   To get the mast vertical, you
must fully extend both arms as they hang on to the boom, and tilt
the mast as forward as you can.  Also in order to get the mast vertical
you need to move closer to the board.  This is why people (including I
think Peter Hart) tell you to try to imagine you are going to try to stick
your head between the boom and the sail, and stick your head forward
between your two extended arms.

Getting the mast vertical mostly involves tilting it up and then forward,
swinging the boom in a rorward arc, but also tilting it up off the water
by getting your upper
body close to the board as just described.  Once the mast is almost
vertical and catching the wind you can pull DOWN on the boom,
exerting mast foot pressure, at the same time pulling the board towards
you with your rear foot and extending your rear leg as you stand.
There are four important things going on at this point: you are getting
up on the board by two means: pulling up on the boom with the mast
as veritcal as possible, and extending your rear leg, at the same time
you are preventing the board from rounding up by the same two means
exerting all that pressure on the mast foot, and pulling the board towards
you and pushing down on the tail all with the rear foot.  The mast foot
pressure is important for two reasons: it teaches you the proper way
to pull yourself up: by tilting the mast vertical then pulling straight down
on the boom, secondly to prevent the board from rounding up.
This is why Peter Hart tells you to imagine you are trying to
"head ***the mast foot".  That gets you to get your head, and
thus your whole upper body, close to the board and sail, and
also gets you to focus on that all important mast foot pressure
while starting, and the swinging of he mast and your upper body
FORWARD.

One you extend your rear leg and pull yourself up, it's all over,
the rest is easy.  Step the other foot on and sail.

The things I would emphasize are first getting in the pre-start
position with both hands on the boom and one foot on the tail
and being able to hold this position for as long as you like while
maintaining the proper board and sail orientation.  Secondly the
idea of tilting the mast forward, fully extending the arms, applying
as much mast foot pressure as you can, and
pulling up once the mast is vertical, not trying to get the sail to
pull you up, while simultaneously pushing down on the tail and pulling
the tail into the wind by extending the rear leg and pulling your heal
towards you.

Hope that helps!

Shoreline sounds perfect because its closer to me than any
of the other sites.  Look for me there starting next week.  I
have a light blue AHD Free Diamond 70 (big wide board), a
bright yellow Retro 7.0 or a blue Revolution 5.4, a red and black
shorty wetsuit, and a white VW Eurovan camper with Gorge racks
on top (the kind that can stack multiple boards).

Chris

Quote:

> Chris

> I have been following your posts for a few weeks now, watching you
> progress as I too get better each time I go out.  You're ahead of me I
> reckon, but I can't sail as much as you :-(  At least I get out in the
> Bay area every weekend and a few times at lunchtime to Shoreline in
> Mountain View.. don't telll my boss :-)

> I started in July and I too got hooked - now have my own board (Techno
> 283) and a few sails (Retro 5.5 and Z1 6.6).  I usually sail at the
> beginner friendly spots of Shoreline (lake), Alemeda and Berkeley, but
> on Sunday I went to Candlestick.... wow!   The people there were
> incredibly friendly and helpful, especially when I told them it was my
> first time there.  The wind went from 0 to 20 in about 10 minutes and
> I was zipping along at high speed in the harness and flirting with the
> front foot strap.  However I also took some spectacular falls for
> which I could have gotten some frequent flier miles :-)  My gybes work
> sometimes but my shortboard tacks are getting quite good thanks to the
> ABK clinic (you should take one or more of these for sure).  The wind
> is a bit gusty at Candlestick, but the water is much flatter than
> places like 3rd Avenue I've been told.

> However my waterstart is nearly non-existant, so I ended up being the
> only person uphauling in gusts of probably 25mph+ with my 5.5 sail.
> My success rate was about 1 in 3, so I spent a lot of time in the
> water and finally called it a day after about 2.5 hours due to being
> freezing cold in my 3/2 wetsuit and not being able to waterstart.  By
> the way, even though the breeze is offshore, just follow the direction
> of everyone else and you won't go wrong - they go up wind just a
> little.  The place felt pretty safe to me - my arms felt pretty tired!

> Rather than give up I headed down to Shoreline to work on the
> waterstart.  I know the theory, read the articles and books, watched
> my Peter Hart videos - but the practise is eluding me :-(  I know that
> to get out n the Bay and have fun it is essential unless I never fall,
> which is about 20 years or more away :-)

> This is part of an article I posted yesterday (under plumeria) about
> my waterstartig problems :
> The thing I have been trying so hard to learn for the past few weeks
> is the waterstart. I got up maybe once in twenty or thirty attempts
> and that was where I could just touch the bottom.

...

read more »

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Schefle » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

LOL. :-)

I haven't seen that but I guess he really loves his site, eh?

Actually I'm thinking about one of those ABK windsurfing camps
in Hatteras if they have one this October, so maybe I will be out
that way.

Quote:

> Chris,

> Congratulations. You have one of the few posts, looking for a sailing site,
> where the Lakes Bay man hasn't tried to steer you to his place in New Jersey. I
> can't figure it out. After all, it's only 2,950 miles out of the way.

> Ben
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:22:25 GMT, Chris Schefler

> >Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
> >beginning/intermediate?

> SNIP

 
 
 

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Post by Ellen Falle » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Lakes Bay is a great site to sail, and the shop is in an excellent spot
with nice facilities. This is not as common as one would like on the
East Coast!!
There will be an ABK clinic in Nag's Head in October 13-15, and you can
contact them via their website http://www.abksports.com. The following
week is Hatteras Race week I think so you could find lots to do.
  Ellen
Quote:

> LOL. :-)

> I haven't seen that but I guess he really loves his site, eh?

> Actually I'm thinking about one of those ABK windsurfing camps
> in Hatteras if they have one this October, so maybe I will be out
> that way.


> > Chris,

> > Congratulations. You have one of the few posts, looking for a sailing site,
> > where the Lakes Bay man hasn't tried to steer you to his place in New Jersey. I
> > can't figure it out. After all, it's only 2,950 miles out of the way.

> > Ben
> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:22:25 GMT, Chris Schefler

> > >Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
> > >beginning/intermediate?

> > SNIP

 
 
 

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Post by brad.. » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Chris-
yes it blows sideshore at Waddell, but it sounds to me like you're not
ready...  You should really have your jibes pretty much down before
sailing there, even in small surf.

If I were you I'd look at hitting San Luis Reservior when it looks good
on iwindsurf.com.  In terms of Bay Area places, I know that people
occasionally sail Lexington reservior right on highway 17 when the fog
is right.  Probably the best bet is to go up 1 to HMB, then take 92
over to Coyote - great spot to work on jibes.

Brad

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Post by John Lechmani » Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:35:48


Quote:
> I sailed the Sandbar with ABK clinics.  For Chris, Windy Cove would be
> fine because he can waterstart quickly (?) but with the strong
> currents there, uphauling is not a very good option.

I must have lost track of Chris's sailing ability.  I thought he was doing
most of his waterstarts :-(

Quote:

> Peter

> p.s.  John - it's interesting that we're both into scuba (Monterey
> style), this and climbing....  you don't collect antique radios too?

Nope, never did the radios.  And I haven't climbed in over 10 years.  I
think I have a couple of ropes, shoes, and a harness now.  Not much
considering how much stuff I used to have :-)  Funny I was driving around UC
Berkeley today and the rec club had a portable climbing wall :-)  If I had
the time I think I would have been tempted to give it a go....

As to SCUBA in Monterey, that's because of necessity.  I prefer the tropic
or Hawaii...

--
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Post by John Lechmani » Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:38:46


Quote:
> John,

> Thanks those two sites sound perfect.  Low key gorge with a 1/2 shortie in
the
> Bay Area!  YES!!!!

Well according to the webpage, Rio Vista (Sherman Island) RAGED all day long
today.  Of course I had to work.  So don't bother going sailing there
tomorrow, cause I'm going.  So as usual the wind will most likely die.  But
what the heck, I'll give it a go anyway....

--
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Post by Pete » Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Thanks a lot Chris fo rthe mega posting.  I'll digest it in the
morning if I have time.. working too hard :-(  then work on it at the
weekend for sure.

The wind at Shoreline has been blowing pretty strongly recently but it
is not always that reliable.  I was out for an hour today just trying
to figure out the sail/board/wind stuff in shallow water... learning a
little bit more each day.  It is a great little lake for
learning/practising everything.

Hey, why not drop me an email when you think you'll be out there and
I'll try and make it if at all possible.  Sounds like you
waterstarting hands-on clinic could be invaluable :-)

ciao

Peter

p.s. the wind has generally been howling in the Bay area the past few
weeks!  Maybe you should have come back sooner rather than later :-)

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:44:38 GMT, Chris Schefler

Quote:

>Hey Peter,

>Yeah, I hope to see you there.  I'm sure I could give you some waterstarting
>tips.  Actually it sounds like you are ahead of me!  I have never even attempted
>to tack since I've been using shortboards, let alone jibe!!!  I envy that you can
>tack AND sometimes even jibe!  And if you are in the harness and working
>on the foot strap then you're only a few sessions behind me on that because
>I found that progressed fairly quickly, and I still haven't quite nailed it (but
>I haven't sailed in almost 2 weeks for various reasons, not the least of which
>has been lack of wind).  The only thing I'm ahead of you on is waterstarting,
>I've got than down cold.

>I think you definitely got the right idea about working on steering the board
>with the sail in shallow water.  That is the crucial first step. I don't know how
>I missed your post on waterstarting, I would have responded if I'd seen it.

>The problem I first had when waterstarting was whenever I'd fly the sail
>the board would round up into the wind.  This was solved by pulling the
>sail further forward into the wind quickly.  So let's say the wind is from
>your left, so you're on the left side of the board and the sail is as always
>leeward with the mast towards the wind, with the boom resting on the
>tail.  Your right hand should be grasping the rear footstrap, your left
>hand grasping the mast just above the boom.  In one quick motion
>pull the mast towards the wind and up a little bit so it catches the wind.
>I had to learn to pull it so far forward that my left arm was comletely
>extended and locked at the elbow and shoulder, and that stopped the
>rounding up problem.  Later I refined this into steering, the more you pull
>the mast into the wind, the more the board will steer downwind, the more
>you push it back towards the board, the more the board will steer upwind.
>(You can also steer the board in this position by applying and releasing
>mast foot pressure, i.e. pushing the mast towards the foot or the
>opposite, but this is much more difficult than steering with moving the
>mast windward and leeward, and a more advanced technique that it
>seems to me is only useful once in a while).

>After I got to where I could steer the board with the sail while preparing
>to waterstart, the next step was putting my foot (or feet) onto the board.
>My first instructor was really bad, he taught us to put both feet on the
>board.  That only works in the highest winds.  I have since learned that
>it is much better to put only the rear foot on the board until you are
>standing.  It works MUCH better in lighter winds and even works in
>high winds too, it just takes a little less energy to put up both legs
>in high winds and let the sail pull you up more, but for learning you
>want to be using just the rear leg.

>Imagine you are lying on the ground with one foot up on a bench and
>you want to stand up on the bench, somebody is standing on the bench
>reaching down to give you a hand.  It's going to be much easier for you
>to stand  up on the bench with one leg first (and easier for them to pull
>you up) than if you put both feet up and then they try to pull you up.

>The other advantage of standing with only the rear foot first is it puts
>alot of pressure on the tail as you stand helping to prevent the board
>from rounding up which is the hardest thing to overcome when water
>starting.

>So you got the sail flying, the board is across the wind, rear foot
>is on the tail in front of the rear strap.  Next get both hands on the
>boom.  Work on being able to hold this position for a long time
>before trying to waterstart.  You need to be totally stable in this
>position before even attempting the start.  That is, sail flying,
>one foot on the board, both hands on the boom, and maintaining
>the proper orientation of the board to the wind.  Once you can
>hold that position for 30 seconds or more you're ready to try to
>start.

>Another problem I had early on was thinking the sail was supposed to
>pull me up by my arms, via the boom.  I finally learned that the sail
>is not supposed to pull me up (except it can when you are advanced
>and in very high winds) but while learning it was a big mistake for me
>trying to get the sail to pull me up.  What I learned is you have to
>get the sail upright on the board, then pull YOURSELF up by
>using the boom like a chin up bar once the mast is vertical.

>So from the stabilized position just described, the next step is
>to tilt the mast forward to try to get it as vertical as possible
>while you are still in the water.  The more vertical you get the
>mast, the more you can pull yourself straight up like a chin up
>bar, standing on your rear foot.   To get the mast vertical, you
>must fully extend both arms as they hang on to the boom, and tilt
>the mast as forward as you can.  Also in order to get the mast vertical
>you need to move closer to the board.  This is why people (including I
>think Peter Hart) tell you to try to imagine you are going to try to stick
>your head between the boom and the sail, and stick your head forward
>between your two extended arms.

>Getting the mast vertical mostly involves tilting it up and then forward,
>swinging the boom in a rorward arc, but also tilting it up off the water
>by getting your upper
>body close to the board as just described.  Once the mast is almost
>vertical and catching the wind you can pull DOWN on the boom,
>exerting mast foot pressure, at the same time pulling the board towards
>you with your rear foot and extending your rear leg as you stand.
>There are four important things going on at this point: you are getting
>up on the board by two means: pulling up on the boom with the mast
>as veritcal as possible, and extending your rear leg, at the same time
>you are preventing the board from rounding up by the same two means
>exerting all that pressure on the mast foot, and pulling the board towards
>you and pushing down on the tail all with the rear foot.  The mast foot
>pressure is important for two reasons: it teaches you the proper way
>to pull yourself up: by tilting the mast vertical then pulling straight down
>on the boom, secondly to prevent the board from rounding up.
>This is why Peter Hart tells you to imagine you are trying to
>"head ***the mast foot".  That gets you to get your head, and
>thus your whole upper body, close to the board and sail, and
>also gets you to focus on that all important mast foot pressure
>while starting, and the swinging of he mast and your upper body
>FORWARD.

>One you extend your rear leg and pull yourself up, it's all over,
>the rest is easy.  Step the other foot on and sail.

>The things I would emphasize are first getting in the pre-start
>position with both hands on the boom and one foot on the tail
>and being able to hold this position for as long as you like while
>maintaining the proper board and sail orientation.  Secondly the
>idea of tilting the mast forward, fully extending the arms, applying
>as much mast foot pressure as you can, and
>pulling up once the mast is vertical, not trying to get the sail to
>pull you up, while simultaneously pushing down on the tail and pulling
>the tail into the wind by extending the rear leg and pulling your heal
>towards you.

>Hope that helps!

>Shoreline sounds perfect because its closer to me than any
>of the other sites.  Look for me there starting next week.  I
>have a light blue AHD Free Diamond 70 (big wide board), a
>bright yellow Retro 7.0 or a blue Revolution 5.4, a red and black
>shorty wetsuit, and a white VW Eurovan camper with Gorge racks
>on top (the kind that can stack multiple boards).

>Chris


>> Chris

>> I have been following your posts for a few weeks now, watching you
>> progress as I too get better each time I go out.  You're ahead of me I
>> reckon, but I can't sail as much as you :-(  At least I get out in the
>> Bay area every weekend and a few times at lunchtime to Shoreline in
>> Mountain View.. don't telll my boss :-)

>> I started in July and I too got hooked - now have my own board (Techno
>> 283) and a few sails (Retro 5.5 and Z1 6.6).  I usually sail at the
>> beginner friendly spots of Shoreline (lake), Alemeda and Berkeley, but
>> on Sunday I went to Candlestick.... wow!   The people there were
>> incredibly friendly and helpful, especially when I told them it was my
>> first time there.  The wind went from 0 to 20 in about 10 minutes and
>> I was zipping along at high speed in the harness and flirting with the
>> front foot strap.  However I also took some spectacular falls for
>> which I could have gotten some frequent flier miles :-)  My gybes work
>> sometimes but my shortboard tacks are getting quite good thanks to the
>> ABK clinic (you should take one or more of these for sure).  The wind
>> is a bit gusty at Candlestick, but the water is much flatter than
>> places like 3rd Avenue I've been told.

>> However my waterstart is nearly non-existant, so I ended up being the
>> only person uphauling in gusts of probably 25mph+ with my 5.5 sail.

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Beginning intermediate South SF Bay sites?

Post by Chri » Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:14:25

great!  thanks alot for the advice brad!  didn't know about coyote!
will take your advice re. wadell

chris

Quote:

> Chris-
> yes it blows sideshore at Waddell, but it sounds to me like you're not
> ready...  You should really have your jibes pretty much down before
> sailing there, even in small surf.

> If I were you I'd look at hitting San Luis Reservior when it looks good
> on iwindsurf.com.  In terms of Bay Area places, I know that people
> occasionally sail Lexington reservior right on highway 17 when the fog
> is right.  Probably the best bet is to go up 1 to HMB, then take 92
> over to Coyote - great spot to work on jibes.

> Brad

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> Before you buy.

 
 
 

Beginning intermediate South SF Bay sites?

Post by Chri » Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:15:36

thanks ellen!  i'm seriously considering attending.
Quote:

> Lakes Bay is a great site to sail, and the shop is in an excellent spot
> with nice facilities. This is not as common as one would like on the
> East Coast!!
> There will be an ABK clinic in Nag's Head in October 13-15, and you can
> contact them via their website http://www.abksports.com. The following
> week is Hatteras Race week I think so you could find lots to do.
>   Ellen


> > LOL. :-)

> > I haven't seen that but I guess he really loves his site, eh?

> > Actually I'm thinking about one of those ABK windsurfing camps
> > in Hatteras if they have one this October, so maybe I will be out
> > that way.


> > > Chris,

> > > Congratulations. You have one of the few posts, looking for a sailing site,
> > > where the Lakes Bay man hasn't tried to steer you to his place in New Jersey. I
> > > can't figure it out. After all, it's only 2,950 miles out of the way.

> > > Ben
> > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:22:25 GMT, Chris Schefler

> > > >Can anybody recommend the best SF Bay South sites for
> > > >beginning/intermediate?

> > > SNIP