extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by marco faill » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00


hi out there
i'm Marco
and above all my weight is a "bit" high
only 110Kg
does anyone knows what is the difference regarding sail area to plane at the
same way that normal people (75Kg) do?
do you think that a 9m2 race sail will do the job with 12Knots wind?
i have  F2 lightning 375, Mistral evolution 310,BIC Vivace 290, Mistral edge
268
i wanna plane like all other people
help me
regards
Marco Failla
 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Karabasz » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Marco Contact Peter at The New England Windsurfing Journal at

just this topic. It got some good reviews.

I'm sure you can get a copy from him

Let me know what you think of it

 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Marco Faill » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for advices
i am very happy there are people concerned with this "big" prolblem
here people thinks that if you don't plane earlier than someone else you
aren't good enough to speak of windsurf..........
Yes you can imagine how the place i live is a very low wind region in summer
but also in winter
i'm speakuing of the Ionian sea Sicily
however
what do you think about the advantages of a weight like mine in sttrong wind
sailing (Slalom high wind condition)?
Ciao
Marco Failla

 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by BDSincla » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>what do you think about the advantages of a weight like mine in sttrong wind
>sailing (Slalom high wind condition)?
>Ciao
>Marco Failla

Mixed bag.  Huge asset(I love a bad pun!) for speed sailing.  Need more sail
and board to make things work resulting in a relative disadvantage in terms of
control and manuverability  Quickness to plane and acceleration also suffer.
Still, it's nice to pass a more skilled sailor just cause we're bigger.  As we
say in the states 'paybacks are a ***'.
bs ( a relative light weight at 100kgs)
 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by sandri.. » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> hi out there
> i'm Marco
> and above all my weight is a "bit" high
> only 110Kg
> does anyone knows what is the difference regarding sail area to plane
at the
> same way that normal people (75Kg) do?

Hi Marco,
I weigh about 98Kg and have struggled with this issue for years.
Finally, mainly resulting from the PWA lowering wind minimums, board
and sail makers are producing equipment which is great for the big
guys.  Yes a 9+ meter (or better yet, a 10.0 or 10.5) sail will help
but even more helpful are the new wide boards.  You should sell your
two bigger boards and buy the biggest wide style board and biggest fin
you can find. (Seatrend Allstar 80, Starboard Go, F2 Thommen Course XL,
AHD 299 or 310).  In fact, wait 'til this years boards come out because
more companies are making bigger wider boards.  The new Formula Racing
rules (sailors allowed 1 board and 3 sails for course racing) is
dictating that board makers focus on expanding range, which is exactly
what heavy weights need.  Not only are the formula boards aimed at
planing in 8 knots of wind, they are meant to be fast and comfortable
in 20 knots as well.  Check out the neilpryde maui site.  V2 Max boards
are like bigger, newer verstions of the Thommen Course boards and
their "Free Race" line has been tweaked to give more control in chop
(translate: go faster easier) and turn easier.

I sail an Aerotech VMG 9.6 and Seatrend Allstar 80 in 10-20 mph of
wind.  I've sailed that board in 3-4 foot swell with a 7.0 as well and
had a great time.  I'm sure you could handle a 10.6 meter sail,
provided it is a race sail (Neil Pryde RX 1, Windwing Race, or Aerotech
Advantage VMG are a few that I would trust to be good.  You will also
need a 520 cm Carbon mast and a big Carbon boom).

Steve
Grand Rapids, Michigan

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extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Xtrspor » Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hi Marco,

Check out the Gear Wizard at
http://www.windsurfingclassifieds.com

I've tried to set it up so that it works for both very light and very heavy
people. Unfortunately the numbers are in pounds not KG. I'll try to have it in
both soon.

Simply input your weight, sailing ability, typical wind and water conditions
and it'll select the appropriate gear from our database.

I'm still tweaking the formulas a little so, please feel free to write back
with any comments.

Thanks.

Skip Dennis
US-SD77

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US Windsurfing Association (BOD)
Neilpryde/AHD/Finworks/Okespor (Tech Rep)
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WindsurfingClassifieds.com
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extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Elliot Froidevau » Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> hi out there
> i'm Marco
> and above all my weight is a "bit" high
> only 110Kg
> does anyone knows what is the difference regarding sail area to plane at the
> same way that normal people (75Kg) do?
> do you think that a 9m2 race sail will do the job with 12Knots wind?
> i have  F2 lightning 375, Mistral evolution 310,BIC Vivace 290, Mistral edge
> 268
> i wanna plane like all other people
> help me
> regards
> Marco Failla

Marco, go big!
I live in Hong Kong, and I weigh 200 pounds, 190 pounds on good hard
earned days. Most of the windsurfers in HK are flyweights. (45 to 65kgs)
I was always facing the same problem, as the winds are usually 10 to 15
knots.
I bought a 8.8m2 RX1 and a W75L Starboard (155liters - 54cm fin). Now,
early planning is no longer an issue.
Guys plane with their 280 boards and 6.5m2 in 12 knots, but I am flying
with my gear.
And when I sail on my 7.0m2 in 20 knots, I am holding over 1.5 to 2.0m2
more than they are, and that makes a big difference in speed.
In other words, weight is not a disadvantage as long as you understand
that you have to use larger equipment suiting your weight for the
conditions of sailing.

Elliot

 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Marco Faill » Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Marco, go big!
> I live in Hong Kong, and I weigh 200 pounds, 190 pounds on good hard
> earned days. Most of the windsurfers in HK are flyweights. (45 to 65kgs)
> I was always facing the same problem, as the winds are usually 10 to 15
> knots.
> I bought a 8.8m2 RX1 and a W75L Starboard (155liters - 54cm fin). Now,
> early planning is no longer an issue.
> Guys plane with their 280 boards and 6.5m2 in 12 knots, but I am flying
> with my gear.
> And when I sail on my 7.0m2 in 20 knots, I am holding over 1.5 to 2.0m2
> more than they are, and that makes a big difference in speed.
> In other words, weight is not a disadvantage as long as you understand
> that you have to use larger equipment suiting your weight for the
> conditions of sailing.

> Elliot

thanks a lot to yuo and to other very kind people that answered to my help
request.
Now i know that for sure there is a solution even for us extreme overpowered
people.
I am considering to buy a 9-10 m2 race sail and its boom (P.S. i have broken
a lot of booms, did you?)
for the mast i would like to continue using mine 75% carbon 490 rece spar
but i am not sure at all that is the correct choice.
Thanks a lot again
Marco Failla
 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Kinsley Won » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Here is a solution for lighter day:
Go Ksurfing!  I weight 155lbs/70KG and was able to ride in 6 mph wind on a Concept
Air Wave 9m and F-One kiteboard 7ft.
Cheers,
Kinsley.
Play hard, Go Big, Live Xtreme
http://XtremeBigAir.com
 
 
 

extreme weight and light wind: always the same history?

Post by Elliot Froidevau » Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> > Marco, go big!
> > I live in Hong Kong, and I weigh 200 pounds, 190 pounds on good hard
> > earned days. Most of the windsurfers in HK are flyweights. (45 to 65kgs)
> > I was always facing the same problem, as the winds are usually 10 to 15
> > knots.
> > I bought a 8.8m2 RX1 and a W75L Starboard (155liters - 54cm fin). Now,
> > early planning is no longer an issue.
> > Guys plane with their 280 boards and 6.5m2 in 12 knots, but I am flying
> > with my gear.
> > And when I sail on my 7.0m2 in 20 knots, I am holding over 1.5 to 2.0m2
> > more than they are, and that makes a big difference in speed.
> > In other words, weight is not a disadvantage as long as you understand
> > that you have to use larger equipment suiting your weight for the
> > conditions of sailing.

> > Elliot

> thanks a lot to yuo and to other very kind people that answered to my help
> request.
> Now i know that for sure there is a solution even for us extreme overpowered
> people.
> I am considering to buy a 9-10 m2 race sail and its boom (P.S. i have broken
> a lot of booms, did you?)
> for the mast i would like to continue using mine 75% carbon 490 rece spar
> but i am not sure at all that is the correct choice.
> Thanks a lot again
> Marco Failla

Once you get to 9.5m2, you most likely have to start using a 520 mast. I
don't recommend you getting an extension that is so long, as after a
while (plus stiffness of mast is different), it may just snap.

For a 490, stick to a 9.0m2. This should get you going in 12 knots.
As for a boom, I strongly recommend you stick to alloy boom. Do not go
carbon. People will probably fry me with this remark, but just call me
old fashioned.
As for the fin, go big again. If your board can sustain such a fin, I
recommend you use a 50cm2 or bigger for light wind, and you may consider
a 44-46cm for stronger winds using the same sail. However, for such fin
sizes, a full carbon race fin would be a good purchase. Fiberglass with
thin carbon strips or G-10 epoxy fin are just too flexible for such
equipment and for such weight.

I forgot what board you are using, if Xantos 300, just be careful with
the fin size. I would cut a couple of cm on the figures I mentioned for
safety's sake.

Anyway, good luck and go big!

Elliot