How do y'all cope with salt water?

How do y'all cope with salt water?

Post by Mark H » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00


You never know how good ya got it 'till ya leave.

OK, probably most of you on this NG sail in salt water.  So, what's the
secret to liking it? Or, at least having detente with it?
I grew up on the shores of Lake Michigan and I have come to really
appreciate the Great Lakes, all of them.  As far as windsurfing goes, the
conditions vary to give you most anything one would desire - from glassy to
killer waves and all kinds of wind.  AND, fresh water!  (Ask Tom O'B - he's
in the catbird seat where he lives!)
Fresh water is a friendly environment.  You can be a couple miles offshore
in large breaking swells and not worry about breaking down - at least ya
won't dehydrate while waiting for the Coast Guard.  Hot winds dry ya out on
a screaming reach?  Got cotton mouth?  No problem.  Why lug a thermos?
Travel light.  Just fall in and REFRESH!  If you're afraid of microbes, just
don't drink the yellow water or simply don't swallow.  You can at least wash
your mouth out.  And your eyes, etc.
What's with this ocean stuff?  I grant you can fall in and cool off if you
overheat, but when you get back on your board your eyes burn and you feel
like spitting.  And sticky, slimy skin and matted hair!?
Being out on salt water feels isolating.  You have to carry a water jug,
right?, which bounces around and throws off your gybe attempt.  And ya have
to ration it like gold -  a few drops for your right eye, some for your
left, some for your glasses, a little to wash out your mouth and one gulp
only to drink, trying to stretch out your time on the water before coming
in.  Ocean distance racing?  Ya can't just lean back and dip your hand to
splash some water in your face/mouth - ya gotta juggle that jug.  I suppose
the discomfort gives one that home stretch fervor, but...
And what does it do to your equipment?  Yesterday at a Long Island swap I
sold 2 circa 1987 sails - go figure?!  Next to much of the other stuff, they
looked pristine.  They were fresh water babies!
So, please help me out here with your survival tips and product
endor***ts.  I've looked for a water backpack to wear while sailing (you
know, a bladder with a drinking tube that snakes around your head), but the
only ones I've seen look like they take on water externally if one "were" to
fall in.

Thank you.
Mark H
The Bronx

 
 
 

How do y'all cope with salt water?

Post by BDSincla » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00

......>What's with this ocean stuff?  I grant you can fall in and cool off if
you

Quote:
>overheat, but when you get back on your board your eyes burn and you feel
>like spitting.  And sticky, slimy skin and matted hair!?.....
>Thank you.
>Mark H
>The Bronx

Well, I've never been to the Bronx, but you might want to try clean sal***er
;-)
bs

 
 
 

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Post by Glenn Kolber » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00

If Lake Michigan stretched around the globe, I'd seen some inteligent
reasons in sailing on fresh water only. But unfortunately for you it don't.
Sailing on freshwater only, means missing out on what the world has to offer
windsurfers.
A fresh water lake feels pretty dead, compared to the oceans. Experiencing
the various conditions on different spots, dommestic and internationallly is
great fun. Also managing new hazards is a part of the total windsurfing
experience.
Pulling the gear out of fresh water is sometimes nice, knowing it's been
trough a good cleaning and ready for storage. Still it's only gear, and can
be replaced. Some replace their gear so often anyway that it hardly matters.
Drinking salt water is indeed not very pleasant. And dehydration should be
taken seriously even when windsurfing. Theere is though some variety in
water backpaks carried by mountainbike shops. And some offer great designs
if you aint going to do the most extreme manouvers.
I don't know the water quality of Lake Michigan first hand, but as far as I
know it's poluted by large wessels, industrial waste etc. So maybe when
emerging from the water both equipment and sailor is ready for a shower
anyway?

Best regards
Glenn Kolberg


Quote:
> You never know how good ya got it 'till ya leave.

> OK, probably most of you on this NG sail in salt water.  So, what's the
> secret to liking it? Or, at least having detente with it?
> I grew up on the shores of Lake Michigan and I have come to really
> appreciate the Great Lakes, all of them.  As far as windsurfing goes, the
> conditions vary to give you most anything one would desire - from glassy
to
> killer waves and all kinds of wind.  AND, fresh water!  (Ask Tom O'B -
he's
> in the catbird seat where he lives!)
> Fresh water is a friendly environment.  You can be a couple miles offshore
> in large breaking swells and not worry about breaking down - at least ya
> won't dehydrate while waiting for the Coast Guard.  Hot winds dry ya out
on
> a screaming reach?  Got cotton mouth?  No problem.  Why lug a thermos?
> Travel light.  Just fall in and REFRESH!  If you're afraid of microbes,
just
> don't drink the yellow water or simply don't swallow.  You can at least
wash
> your mouth out.  And your eyes, etc.
> What's with this ocean stuff?  I grant you can fall in and cool off if you
> overheat, but when you get back on your board your eyes burn and you feel
> like spitting.  And sticky, slimy skin and matted hair!?
> Being out on salt water feels isolating.  You have to carry a water jug,
> right?, which bounces around and throws off your gybe attempt.  And ya
have
> to ration it like gold -  a few drops for your right eye, some for your
> left, some for your glasses, a little to wash out your mouth and one gulp
> only to drink, trying to stretch out your time on the water before coming
> in.  Ocean distance racing?  Ya can't just lean back and dip your hand to
> splash some water in your face/mouth - ya gotta juggle that jug.  I
suppose
> the discomfort gives one that home stretch fervor, but...
> And what does it do to your equipment?  Yesterday at a Long Island swap I
> sold 2 circa 1987 sails - go figure?!  Next to much of the other stuff,
they
> looked pristine.  They were fresh water babies!
> So, please help me out here with your survival tips and product
> endor***ts.  I've looked for a water backpack to wear while sailing (you
> know, a bladder with a drinking tube that snakes around your head), but
the
> only ones I've seen look like they take on water externally if one "were"
to
> fall in.

> Thank you.
> Mark H
> The Bronx


 
 
 

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Post by Jonatha » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 15 May 2000 04:58:38 GMT, "Mark H."

Quote:

>You never know how good ya got it 'till ya leave.

>OK, probably most of you on this NG sail in salt water.  So, what's the
>secret to liking it? Or, at least having detente with it?
>I grew up on the shores of Lake Michigan and I have come to really
>appreciate the Great Lakes, all of them.  As far as windsurfing goes, the
>conditions vary to give you most anything one would desire - from glassy to
>killer waves and all kinds of wind.  AND, fresh water!  (Ask Tom O'B - he's
>in the catbird seat where he lives!)
>Fresh water is a friendly environment.  You can be a couple miles offshore
>in large breaking swells and not worry about breaking down - at least ya
>won't dehydrate while waiting for the Coast Guard.  Hot winds dry ya out on
>a screaming reach?  Got cotton mouth?  No problem.  Why lug a thermos?
>Travel light.  Just fall in and REFRESH!  If you're afraid of microbes, just
>don't drink the yellow water or simply don't swallow.  You can at least wash
>your mouth out.  And your eyes, etc.
>What's with this ocean stuff?  I grant you can fall in and cool off if you
>overheat, but when you get back on your board your eyes burn and you feel
>like spitting.  And sticky, slimy skin and matted hair!?
>Being out on salt water feels isolating.  You have to carry a water jug,
>right?, which bounces around and throws off your gybe attempt.  And ya have
>to ration it like gold -  a few drops for your right eye, some for your
>left, some for your glasses, a little to wash out your mouth and one gulp
>only to drink, trying to stretch out your time on the water before coming
>in.  Ocean distance racing?  Ya can't just lean back and dip your hand to
>splash some water in your face/mouth - ya gotta juggle that jug.  I suppose
>the discomfort gives one that home stretch fervor, but...
>And what does it do to your equipment?  Yesterday at a Long Island swap I
>sold 2 circa 1987 sails - go figure?!  Next to much of the other stuff, they
>looked pristine.  They were fresh water babies!
>So, please help me out here with your survival tips and product
>endor***ts.  I've looked for a water backpack to wear while sailing (you
>know, a bladder with a drinking tube that snakes around your head), but the
>only ones I've seen look like they take on water externally if one "were" to
>fall in.

>Thank you.
>Mark H
>The Bronx

For one thing,  we can roll up our sails wet and not worry about
mildew - a big plus in south Florida!

Theoretically you could get away with a smaller board because of the
extra bouyancy in salt water.

And when's the last time you were out sailing in the lake with
dolphins swimming out in front of you?  (or sharks swimming under
you...)

Salt water makes things a lot more interesting if you ask me!

Jon

 
 
 

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Post by Mike » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00

"Mark H." wrote >Y'all.

How dare a guy from da Bronx use that kind of language? Ya gotta EARN the
right to use that! 8<)

But as for salt water ... ya just ignore it. Within a few minutes ya forget
it. But it DOES matter which salt water ye talking about. Its salt content
ranges from <4% to >25%, and the difference is amazin'. The ocean or the
Gulf of Mexico burns my eyes for a few minutes, after which I don't notice
it any more, whether sailing or innit. Sticky? In Maui or the Gulf of Mexico
the sweat replaces the sea salt so fast I don't notice the salt; the only
time I'm NOT sticky  in those places is while in the water or in the shower.
On the chilly Oregon coast, I dump soap down my dry suit, stick a hose down
the neck, inflate the suit with fresh water, do the twist, and I and my gear
are Ivory fresh until my next sesh. Salt on my gear? I wrinse it next time I
use it in fresh water. The salt impedes mildew.

As for water -- I don't get thirsty sailing. I may get dehydrated, but I'm
too busy to perceive the thirst. Besides, in a dry suit, thirst is a GOOD
thing unless one likes taking frequent potty breaks.

Y'all Come!
(Born and raised in south Alabama)
Mike \m/

 
 
 

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Post by ECavan60 » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>"Mark H." wrote >Y'all.

>How dare a guy from da Bronx use that kind of language? Ya gotta EARN the
>right to use that! 8<)

Or at least be grandfathered in by marrying a gal from the south.

Go Knicks, y'all.
Dave (grew up in da Bronx) in C***te.

 
 
 

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Post by Susan M. Simmon » Tue, 16 May 2000 04:00:00

7 windsurfers did an ocean downwinder together yesterday (Sunday) in the
Outer Banks from Avon to the Lighthouse. We stopped at Ego
Beach/Canadian Hole for a watermelon refresher, but I didn't really need
it because my 32oz. Camelbak was on my back with gatorade to refresh me
while sailing. It's a very handy product for keeping you hydated while
sailing. I saw 2 big sea turtles and a dolphin while doing this
downwinder in the nice swells brought on by the north wind we had. It
was a beautiful Mother's Day indeed.
Get a Camelbak. (Put water in it instead of juice if you want to rinse
your glasses though.)
Susan in Ct.
P.S. I've been told that putting sails away wet from fresh water can
result in mildew. Doesn't seem to happen with salt water.

 So, please help me out here with your survival tips and product

Quote:
> endor***ts.  I've looked for a water backpack to wear while sailing (you
> know, a bladder with a drinking tube that snakes around your head), but the
> only ones I've seen look like they take on water externally if one "were" to
> fall in.
> Mark H
> The Bronx

 
 
 

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Post by (Pete Cresswell » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

RE/

Quote:
>And what does it do to your equipment?  Yesterday at a Long Island swap I
>sold 2 circa 1987 sails - go figure?!  Next to much of the other stuff, they
>looked pristine.

My theory is that the salt keeps mildew from forming.  

This may or may not be true, but it's the basis for my rationalization against
ever taking the trouble to dry out a sail.
-----------------------
Pete Cresswell

 
 
 

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Post by Mark H » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Mike F. righteously questioned...
> >How dare a guy from da Bronx use that kind of language? Ya gotta EARN the
> >right to use that! 8<)

I'll have you know, Mr. Mike, that, as a younger man, I spent some few years
living in the great Commonwealth of Kentucky.  That may not be enough
justification for me to use certain coded language in the eyes of a true,
deep Alabamian, granted, but my old Kentuckian buddies, who sure don't think
they're Northerners, anointed me a friend of the South!
Btw, my springtime whitewater rafting experiences back then on the
Cumberland River in the Eastern Highlands left me with a strange, eerie
feeling about the locals that had never returned until I visited the Gorge.
:-o

Quote:
>ECavan6070 wrote ...
> Or at least be grandfathered in by marrying a gal from the south.

My wife grew up in Canada, so I guess that makes me also a friend of the
Canucks, eh?!

Quote:
> Go Knicks, y'all.
> Dave (grew up in da Bronx) in C***te.

Here's the litmus test.  What will it take to become a friend of the Knicks?
I'm originally from Chicago, Dave.  It's not right, it's not fair to ask
anyone to try and change that quick!  Give me a couple decades, at least.
:-)
 
 
 

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Post by Mike » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

"Mark H." wrote >> Btw, my springtime whitewater rafting experiences back
then on the

Quote:
> Cumberland River in the Eastern Highlands left me with a strange, eerie
> feeling about the locals that had never returned until I visited the
Gorge.
> :-o

Now that "strange, eerie feeling" sounds downright suspicious, considering
how recently we were discussing "Deliverance".

(Lest anyone take this seriously, realize that Mark and I are
***-paisanos, and this is all  a J O K E).

Mike \m/

 
 
 

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Post by Tonehoun » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

The idea behind windsurfing is to stay with your feet on top of the board
and not in the water.  It doesnt matter at all if it is salt water or fresh
water.  If you are in the water... You are not windsurfing.  I have lived
next to the ocean all of my life.  If you take the time to understand the
ocean it is also friendly.  You need to spend more time appreciating
windsurfing instead of crying about the water.  You really sound like you
are scared of the ocean...


Quote:
> You never know how good ya got it 'till ya leave.

> OK, probably most of you on this NG sail in salt water.  So, what's the
> secret to liking it? Or, at least having detente with it?
> I grew up on the shores of Lake Michigan and I have come to really
> appreciate the Great Lakes, all of them.  As far as windsurfing goes, the
> conditions vary to give you most anything one would desire - from glassy
to
> killer waves and all kinds of wind.  AND, fresh water!  (Ask Tom O'B -
he's
> in the catbird seat where he lives!)
> Fresh water is a friendly environment.  You can be a couple miles offshore
> in large breaking swells and not worry about breaking down - at least ya
> won't dehydrate while waiting for the Coast Guard.  Hot winds dry ya out
on
> a screaming reach?  Got cotton mouth?  No problem.  Why lug a thermos?
> Travel light.  Just fall in and REFRESH!  If you're afraid of microbes,
just
> don't drink the yellow water or simply don't swallow.  You can at least
wash
> your mouth out.  And your eyes, etc.
> What's with this ocean stuff?  I grant you can fall in and cool off if you
> overheat, but when you get back on your board your eyes burn and you feel
> like spitting.  And sticky, slimy skin and matted hair!?
> Being out on salt water feels isolating.  You have to carry a water jug,
> right?, which bounces around and throws off your gybe attempt.  And ya
have
> to ration it like gold -  a few drops for your right eye, some for your
> left, some for your glasses, a little to wash out your mouth and one gulp
> only to drink, trying to stretch out your time on the water before coming
> in.  Ocean distance racing?  Ya can't just lean back and dip your hand to
> splash some water in your face/mouth - ya gotta juggle that jug.  I
suppose
> the discomfort gives one that home stretch fervor, but...
> And what does it do to your equipment?  Yesterday at a Long Island swap I
> sold 2 circa 1987 sails - go figure?!  Next to much of the other stuff,
they
> looked pristine.  They were fresh water babies!
> So, please help me out here with your survival tips and product
> endor***ts.  I've looked for a water backpack to wear while sailing (you
> know, a bladder with a drinking tube that snakes around your head), but
the
> only ones I've seen look like they take on water externally if one "were"
to
> fall in.

> Thank you.
> Mark H
> The Bronx

 
 
 

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Post by NLW TFW » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Tonehound sneered to Mark ...  > The idea behind windsurfing is to stay with
your feet on top of the board and not in the water.  It doesnt matter at all if
it is salt water or fresh water.  If you are in the water... You are not
windsurfing. .... You really sound like you are scared of the ocean.

To which I ask, "What fun is sailing to stay dry?" Staying dry is among the
least of my concerns, and for me is a slow path to learning anything new. When
I'm IN the water, it's often because, a second ago, I was having even more fun
than usual. And, with any luck, I learned something on the way in. If my hair
is dry, it just means I've been sailing too far from the edges of my envleope,
and that's boring.

Mike \m/

 
 
 

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Post by MTVNewsG » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I'd just like to put in a note about Mark's aforementioned pristine gear,
whether it was in freshwater or cold cream or whatever.  This was Fanatic gear
from the year of the flood that looked better than demo-rigged stuff for the
inside of a store!  Everyone remember those pink booms?  A man from Da Bronx
bearing pink booms and so-clean sails...what does it all mean?
Michael
US5613
 
 
 

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Post by ECavan60 » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Here's the litmus test.  What will it take to become a friend of the Knicks?
>I'm originally from Chicago, Dave.  It's not right, it's not fair to ask
>anyone to try and change that quick!  Give me a couple decades, at least.
>:-)

I can relate, Mark. Feel the exact same way about the Hornets, Panthers, et al.
 It's actually pretty fun to root against them, especially when it annoys the
heck out of local friends and family.  It's fun to see the depths the Bulls
have sunk post-Michael.  Maybe after a few more lottery years you guys will
have a team.  Ha!

Just to keep this post on-topic:  I live on a large, clean lake with pretty
good bump and jump sailing.  I'd still rather drive 4 plus hours each way for a
day trip to the coast to be in the salt water & waves with various sea
creatures, then sail in my backyard where the only strange creatures are
straddling jetskis.

Dave (nee of Riverdale, da Bronx).

 
 
 

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Post by Ellen Falle » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

In a sideways gesture to Mark, classic gear and all, he has excellent
taste in brews. I finally tasted the ones he recommended that take to
Texas for The Dog, and by golly, they were great IMHO (which is pretty H
when it comes to beers).
  So y'all knock off them remarks about Mark! (dyed-in-the-wool CT
Yankee married to a Kentuckian)(wish we could quit *sailing* in the wool
already...)
Ellen
Quote:

> I'd just like to put in a note about Mark's aforementioned pristine gear,
> whether it was in freshwater or cold cream or whatever.  This was Fanatic gear
> from the year of the flood that looked better than demo-rigged stuff for the
> inside of a store!  Everyone remember those pink booms?  A man from Da Bronx
> bearing pink booms and so-clean sails...what does it all mean?
> Michael
> US5613