KiteMare? off topic sorry

KiteMare? off topic sorry

Post by Tom » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00


After hearing the scuttle***from my buddies about the Kiters who are
taking over the East Point launch at Stevenson, WA. I decided to stop on
the way home yesterday to see how the Pro's do it.

I was in luck. There were some hot shot looking young guys that even had
a film crew (1 little camera in a plastic bag on a tripod). I over heard
them say they were off to Europe after they were done in the Gorge. 20'
or 30' of air would be captured of film very soon, or so I thought.

A sport for independent types this this ain't. One guy to hold the kite,
one guy to get the lines over the tree, one guy to take the board to the
water, and the kite rider stud. The wind was swirly on the shoreline and
the kite flipped over 3 or 4 times. He was finally able to get the kite
in the air. The board caddy couldn't get the board to the guy cause I
guess he didn't want to swim it out with his clothes on.

 I left, shaking my head as the guy was being being dragged toward Home
Valley with no board. I'll save the story about how you can get dragged
down (like WAY down) underwater when you crash till later.

I would like to try kiting but it looks like I'll stick to the simple
stuff. Maybe the wind will be a better direction for them today. I'm on
my way to check.

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Schefle » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I have been dying to learn windsurfing for years, finally got some lessons
last summer and this spring, and got reasonably competent on a longboard in
light winds (9 of 10 tacks, even a few light wind jibes).  So, having the
summer free, I resolved to come to the Gorge for the entire summer and learn
REAL windsurfing.

When I saw the kiteboarders, I was torn.  I was absolutely amazed and
thrilled at the big airs, like the crowd oohing and ahhing and cheering at
the kite competetion in the Gorge games.  I had just bought my own
windsurfing gear and started thinking, "damn, maybe I should forget
windsurfing, and switch to kiteboarding, but damn, I've been wanting to
learn to windsurf for so long, and I just bought all this gear."  I am also
an expert (16 years) snowboarder.  On a snowboard I love quick turns in
powder (vs. say long carving turns on groom).  In that regard, kiteboarding
really appealed to the snowboarder in me.  I started wondering "is
kiteboarding going to be the snowboarding of watersports, and windsurfing
the  skiing?  I.e., will kiteboarding take over and be the sport of choice
of younger and future generations as windsurfers slowly age and become passe
relics of a bygone era, as alpine skiers are today (in my view)?

I have given it alot of thought and I think not.  As you say, kiteboarding
is not independent.  You need at least a buddy, if not a support crew, as
far as I can tell.  I like the self-contained, self-reliant nature of
windsurfinng.  Secondly, kiteboarding looks alot closer to wakeboarding than
snowboarding to me (even though I saw a guy kiteboarding on a snowboard!).
I tried wakeboarding last summer and with my snowboarding experience, had no
trouble getting up and ripping back and forth across the wake.  I was bored
to tears in about 30 minutes and have had no desire to wakeboard again.
Kiteboarding is nothing more than wind-powered wakeboarding, and appears to
be rife with nightemares (tangled lines, downed kites, too much air, knarly
wipeouts, getting dragged.  (Any guesses on how soon before we see a
kitesurfer dangling from the bridge in Hood River?)).  I also am an
intermediate (boat) sailor and aesthetically, a sail on a board is much more
appealing to me than a kite on strings.  Kiteboarding looks more awkward and
contrived to me, where windsurfing seems more natural and elegant.  In that
regard at least, aesthetics and elegance, kiteboarding would be a closer
analogy to the awkwardness of alpine skiing and windsurfing closer to the
gracefullness snowboarding.  Except for the big airs, kitesurfing looks
about as boring as wakeboarding, with much MUCH more hassle.  The big airs
are the only thing that tempt me.  But given all the negatives, I'm
comfortable that windsurfing is the wind/watersport of choice for me, for
the time being.  And I'm not so sure those big airs would be all that fun
anyway.  I'm into all sorts of extreme sports, but hanggliding or skydiving
have never held any appeal to me for some reason.   I'd rather be standing
on a board carving turns than floating through the air.  Smaller air,
integrated with ripping on the surface, yeah that's appealing to me, but the
bigger the air the less appealing it is to me, and I don't just mean fear, I
just would rather be in the groove than be a projectile trying to look cool
by grabbing my rail or kicking my board to the side.  So that realization
reduces the only appeal to me (big air) of kiteboarding.

I see kitesurfing as getting ever more extreme, bigger and bigger jumps and
airs off bigger and bigger chops and waves.  I wonder, do they actually ride
waves, say in Maui, like wavesailors?  If so, that would be another plus for
kiteboarding.  Waveriding on a kiteboard sounds pretty thrilling, and a
little more accessible than wavesailing.

I think kiteboarding is here to stay, and will become more and more extreme
and more and more thrilling to spectators.  But I'm much more interested in
learning to windsurf, and I don't see kiteboarding going mainstream, at
least until they make the lines way shorter and the whole thing less awkward
and a hassle.  Even then, I think I think a sail on a board is more elegant.

That's my two dollars.

Chris

Quote:

> After hearing the scuttle***from my buddies about the Kiters who are
> taking over the East Point launch at Stevenson, WA. I decided to stop on
> the way home yesterday to see how the Pro's do it.

> I was in luck. There were some hot shot looking young guys that even had
> a film crew (1 little camera in a plastic bag on a tripod). I over heard
> them say they were off to Europe after they were done in the Gorge. 20'
> or 30' of air would be captured of film very soon, or so I thought.

> A sport for independent types this this ain't. One guy to hold the kite,
> one guy to get the lines over the tree, one guy to take the board to the
> water, and the kite rider stud. The wind was swirly on the shoreline and
> the kite flipped over 3 or 4 times. He was finally able to get the kite
> in the air. The board caddy couldn't get the board to the guy cause I
> guess he didn't want to swim it out with his clothes on.

>  I left, shaking my head as the guy was being being dragged toward Home
> Valley with no board. I'll save the story about how you can get dragged
> down (like WAY down) underwater when you crash till later.

> I would like to try kiting but it looks like I'll stick to the simple
> stuff. Maybe the wind will be a better direction for them today. I'm on
> my way to check.


 
 
 

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Post by CD expo » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>I'll save the story about how you can get dragged
>down (like WAY down) underwater when you crash till later.

A friend of a friend of mine, who I actually did meet drowned or nearly drowned
(not quite sure if you survive a drowning whether it's still called a
drowning). His lines got tangled somehow and he couldn't release the kite, so
he was pulled underwater. His friends on a boat realized what was happening and
picked him up after he had drowned. Fortunately one the people on the boat was
a nurse and performed CPR on him. He is fine now and I remember him saying that
he would like to try kitesailing again, but not before the sport is more
mature.

Neil

 
 
 

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Post by Colin Gowlan » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> >I'll save the story about how you can get dragged
> >down (like WAY down) underwater when you crash till later.

> A friend of a friend of mine, who I actually did meet drowned or nearly
drowned
> (not quite sure if you survive a drowning whether it's still called a
> drowning). His lines got tangled somehow and he couldn't release the kite,
so
> he was pulled underwater.

There are safety releases to prevent this availible now so that you can
always release your kite in an emergency but still keep it leashed to you
(and depowered).
 
 
 

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Post by B. K. Brownin » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Just like with any sport, there are risks.  I had my quick release on my
wind surfing harness release while I was sailing.  I suspect it released
because I hadn't gotten it closed all the way, but I thought it was.

There are a couple of thing that happen when your front quick release
lets go, an a couple of things that don't happen.  

You don't depower the sail.
You don't slow down - much.
You don't get you feet out of the foot straps easily because your body
has twisted about 90 degrees forward.
You don't get unhooked because the harness line is twisted around your
hook.

And you DON'T KEEP YOUR HEAD ABOVE THE WATER.  

At least I didn't.  I finally reached out found the harness line and
pulled my head out of the water and got a hold of the boom again.  I
guess I shouldn't relax my grip on the boom so much.

The point of all of this is even with safety features on the gear, any
sport can be dangerous.  Recognize the danger.  Access the risk for your
self.  And decide if YOU think the risk is worth the reward.  If it is,
do it.  If it is not, don't do it.  It is up to you.

Quote:



> > >I'll save the story about how you can get dragged
> > >down (like WAY down) underwater when you crash till later.

> > A friend of a friend of mine, who I actually did meet drowned or nearly
> drowned
> > (not quite sure if you survive a drowning whether it's still called a
> > drowning). His lines got tangled somehow and he couldn't release the kite,
> so
> > he was pulled underwater.

> There are safety releases to prevent this availible now so that you can
> always release your kite in an emergency but still keep it leashed to you
> (and depowered).

 
 
 

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Post by spooks.. » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> >I'll save the story about how you can get dragged
> >down (like WAY down) underwater when you crash till later.

> A friend of a friend of mine, who I actually did meet drowned or nearly
drowned
> (not quite sure if you survive a drowning whether it's still called a
> drowning). His lines got tangled somehow and he couldn't release the kite, so
> he was pulled underwater. His friends on a boat realized what was
happening and
> picked him up after he had drowned. Fortunately one the people on the boat was
> a nurse and performed CPR on him. He is fine now and I remember him
saying that
> he would like to try kitesailing again, but not before the sport is more
> mature.

> Neil

Off topic (sort of =)...

I just finished (today) my Medic/First Aid and Search/Rescue Diver course...

Drowned = Dead

Near drowning = Still alive

=)

 
 
 

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Post by Rainer Leuschk » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> There are safety releases to prevent this availible now so that you can
> always release your kite in an emergency but still keep it leashed to you
> (and depowered).

Most saftey leashes used today don't work when you're hooked in. Very few
people ride with quick releases that disconnect the hook (or
equivalent) and depower the kite. Most pro riders don't even have a
leash. Way to set an example.
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Post by Colin Gowlan » Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Quote:


> > There are safety releases to prevent this availible now so that you can
> > always release your kite in an emergency but still keep it leashed to
you
> > (and depowered).

> Most saftey leashes used today don't work when you're hooked in. Very few
> people ride with quick releases that disconnect the hook (or
> equivalent) and depower the kite. Most pro riders don't even have a
> leash. Way to set an example.

Part of my safety system is on my Pro-Limit Harness. the spreader bar comes
apart when activated by wrist leash! Then a leash to my brake line prevents
the kite from spinning with power. Better safe than liable, or dead.

Colin