Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Bob » Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:55:46


Anyone know of a good flat water/bump and jump board in the 125 liter
to 140 liter range with double sandwich construction besides the Real
Wind 270XL?  Thanks.
 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by clyd » Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:47:11

Take a look here:
http://www.windsurfingmag.com/article.jsp?ID=52419

Try and match a tester to your weight and skill level and read their
comments. Once you find a board that interest you, goggle the
maufacturer and see what they say about constructuion. Light weight
EPS core covered by a thinner higher density foam is fairly standard
for the industry. Some are even using wood veneer for its durability,
weight savings and strength. It wouldn't hurt to go to the Windsurfing
Mag issue of the boards you're intereted in and read the original
boardtest for more detailed information

Good luck hunting.


Quote:
> Anyone know of a good flat water/bump and jump board in the 125 liter
> to 140 liter range with double sandwich construction besides the Real
> Wind 270XL? ?Thanks.


 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Mamb » Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:10:38


Quote:
> Anyone know of a good flat water/bump and jump board in the 125 liter
> to 140 liter range with double sandwich construction besides the Real
> Wind 270XL?  Thanks.

Are you looking for new?  Most local builders will be able to offer that
construction and a shape made for your style to boot?

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Bob » Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:01:10

The 125L to 140 L is a bit of a niche board for me, best suited for
16mph to 24mph winds and 5.5 to 7.5 sails. Big enough to float home if
the wind lays down but still small enough to be fun. I'd prefer to buy
used!  And....even though I'm in the sail and board repair business, I
can't seem to find a double sandwich board for my own use!  Most of
the "modern" constructions I work on daily are waaaaaaay toooooo
fragile for my 235 lb.hard sailing preferences!.

 I just worked on a board advertised as having "epoxy sandwich"
technology that had a skin only about 1/16" thick.  It was just like
the thread on "the Board Lady's" site where she asks "where's the
sandwich" on the Mistral Vision!  With a skin that thin, it is
especially prone to delaminations. In this case, an average size rider
developed a huge delamination from rail to rail between the front and
rear footstraps. The solution was to dig out the styrofoam down at
least 2 inches and all the way to the bottom skin under the "jibe
step" areas and recast rail to rail with 2 lb. closed cell urethane.
This problem wouldn't have happened with true double sandwich
construction!

Damn I wish I could find a Doyle 9'-6"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Gerr » Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:02:07

I know both Fanatic and Exocet use double sandwich on some of their
boards.

Gerry

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Bob » Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:22:39

Hi Gerry, I'd heard the same thing about the Fanatics and Exocets
particularly in the wave boards.  And, there were some Fanatics and
F2's in the 125l to 140l volumes that were double sandwich, but I'm
still trying to verify which boards in which years!  Nonetheless,
you're on the right track!
 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by John » Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:41:03


Quote:
> Hi Gerry, I'd heard the same thing about the Fanatics and Exocets
> particularly in the wave boards.  And, there were some Fanatics and
> F2's in the 125l to 140l volumes that were double sandwich, but I'm
> still trying to verify which boards in which years!  Nonetheless,
> you're on the right track!

Double PVC foam means lots of extra $$$$ right now.  Plus, in the
sizes you are looking for, they would be heavy too.  This is the
construction of the Warp S 76 and 85 from Exocet:

http://www.exocet-original.com/technology.asp

$$$ are getting slaugthered vs the Euro.  How does that effect us?  We
get boards from Cobra, they use the Euro as their base currency.  Does
double PVC work better than carbon and wood?  Hard question to
answer.  Carbon board I've had over the years seem to hold up better
than those without...

I'm 200 lbs and sail tons.  Boards from any brand without carbon
suffer most from my abuse.  Delam sucks.  After how many jumps and
pumps do you get before yours are done?  The area between foot straps
will fail first because of the dynamic loading of sailing.  Dunno if
the extra PVC helps vs weights and costs.

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Charle » Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:35:39

Why not just get the Real Wind?  I have one and love it for 6.7 and
7.5 days.  Works well in the ocean or bay and its rock solid,
especially for the bigger sailors.   This is the first board that I've
sailed for a few years that I haven't delammed yet in the area between
the front and back footstraps.  I weigh 240 and thats the area that
usually goes first.

Charles

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Bob » Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:57:15

Hi Charles, A couple days ago I made an offer on the used 270XL board
Laury lists on her website. For me, it's a lot of money but if it's as
durable as yours has been for you, it's  worth buying. I've had both
an AHD 67 and a Starboard Carve in that volume and both suffered
delam's withing the first year, but they were both single layer
sandwich construction.

The board that delam'd recently was a customer's! He wasn't Xited
about it for sure!

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by John » Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:33:25


Quote:
> Hi Charles, A couple days ago I made an offer on the used 270XL board
> Laury lists on her website. For me, it's a lot of money but if it's as
> durable as yours has been for you, it's  worth buying. I've had both
> an AHD 67 and a Starboard Carve in that volume and both suffered
> delam's withing the first year, but they were both single layer
> sandwich construction.

> The board that delam'd recently was a customer's! He wasn't Xited
> about it for sure!

Ouch! Within the first year means warranty, right?  I've seen some
hefty folk sail tons on Exocet's and others' boards way beyond that.
How do you store your boards?  In a hot vehicle? Burp the vent***
if you do, maybe that would help?  How wide is the 270XL?  Does it
plane off early?  Does that matter where you live?  An AHD 67 would be
a medium sized board for an avg sized sailor where I live, so I'm
scratching my head...
 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by Bob » Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:15:25

Actually, I'm pretty darn carefull with my boards! I like things that
last and last without constant high maintenance. That's why I drive a
Lexus instead of a Jag or BMW!  I have two Doyles and a Protech that
I've been riding since about 1997.  The Protech I've probably sailed
about 400 days and the larger of the two Doyles about 800 days with
virtually no issues. I always open the vent plug after every session.
I never store them in a hot vehicle, and I never abuse them.  The
bigger Doyle, I've chop hopped at least 1500 times without developing
problems. The AHD delam'd after about 30 sessions.  The Starboard
Carve delam'd after about 40 sessions. Both delam'd where I step when
jibing.  Turns out the Carve shouldn't be carved that hard!

I'm thinking about swapping out the Protech for a Kona Style. I'm
going to test ride one today.  I like to cruise when the winds go
light and the Kona may be just right for that.

The Real Wind is 68.5cm wide so it's a bit narrow by modern standards
but that's probably good. Where I sail, it's best to use only weed
fins less than 16" deep so the Real Wind 270 XL would work well
because it doesn't appear to be fin sensitive.
I've never actually seen a 270XL in person nor have I talked to anyone
who has ridden one, but from what I've read, it should work well for
my style.

 
 
 

Any 125-140 liter boards w/ Double Sandwich build???

Post by floria » Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:05:10

Quote:
>  That's why I drive a
> Lexus instead of a Jag or BMW!  I have two Doyles and a Protech that
> I've been riding since about 1997.  

You drive a Lexus and ride a 10+ year old board?
What an odd order of priorities... ;-)

I am sure in this case the longevity of the build exceeds that of the
design.

--
florian - NY22

http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/team/florianfeuser.html