Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Post by Roger M. Christal;685-2116;61-2 » Wed, 25 Apr 1990 01:53:48


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>>Hello fellow windsurfing netters.  I'm looking for some advice on
>>improving my skills and equipment this coming season.

>    First, sell your complete O'Brien to another beginner
>and build up from scratch with decent used equipment.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a used mast or booms.  I feel that it is very
difficult to determine how these pieces of equipment have been used and
their true condition.  A new grip can make booms look MUCH better than
they actually are.

If you purchase a good mast, base extension and booms NEW, you have a
VERY good idea of the condition of the equipment.  Besides, you will
wear out numerous sails and, possibly, change boards a few times before
you will need to replace your mast, extention and booms.


 
 
 

Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Post by Jim Mun » Wed, 25 Apr 1990 02:17:10

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>>try to get a good brand such as Neill Pryde, North, or Gastra.

>Don't ignore the sails built by smaller lofts.  Both Windwing and Waddell
>sails are designed and tested locally here on the Bay and are considered
>to be every bit as good, or better than sails built by the "Big three".
>Windwing sails are made here, if you want something built in the USA.

>I recommend camber induced race sails, like Neil Pryde World Cup Racing,
>North Prisma, Gaastra Racefoil II, etc.  These are the most common sails
>used around here because they offer the best combination of speed and
>acceleration, and handling is not a problem in the types of conditions
>usually encountered on thh Bay.  When you're learning to waterstart and carve
>jibes on your transition board you want to be powered up, so make sure you're
>carrying enough sail to be powered up.

        Yes, there are lots of good sailmakers around. What I meant to say
        was simply avoid 'budget' sails or anything other than fully-battened.

        Personally though, although I have had a Windwing 68 CLE for a few years
        and mostly liked it, I have switched to Neill Pryde and much prefer
        them because thay have more refinement. I like the built-in downhaul
        and in-haul pulleys, I like the way the batten adjustment straps
        can be velcroed down with the loose end pushed behind a piece
        of elasticated webbing, etc, etc...

        Again, for someone just learning waterstarts, I would recommend against
        cambered sails for two reasons:

        1. They are an absolute *** when the luff is full of water i.e
        HEAVY.
        2. Although cambered sails have more power, they are difficult to
        depower.

        Cambered sails are virtually unsellable over here in Santa Cruz. Ocean
        sailors seem to have decided that they are just not worth the trouble
        when you have to cope with beach breaks, waves, etc...

        Jim Munro

 
 
 

Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Post by Jonathan H » Wed, 25 Apr 1990 14:23:04

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>    Again, for someone just learning waterstarts, I would recommend against
>    cambered sails for two reasons:

>    1. They are an absolute *** when the luff is full of water i.e
>    HEAVY.

The newer race sails have baffles that keep the water out.  I've *never*
had the luff fill with water on my Waddell race sails.  On the other hand,
I had this old ('87) Gaastra Racefoil which *always* filled up with water
whenever I dropped it.

Quote:
>    Cambered sails are virtually unsellable over here in Santa Cruz. Ocean
>    sailors seem to have decided that they are just not worth the trouble
>    when you have to cope with beach breaks, waves, etc...

If you're going to spend any time in waves, then you certainly want a wave
cut sail.

-Jonathan

 
 
 

Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Post by Jonathan M. Richards » Sat, 28 Apr 1990 21:57:49


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>Personally, I wouldn't buy a used mast or booms.  I feel that it is very
>difficult to determine how these pieces of equipment have been used and
>their true condition.  A new grip can make booms look MUCH better than
>they actually are.

I dunno about this. On the other hand, some of the stock equipment from various
companies _looks_ good, only to fail in the first season! With care used
equipment can be found that will perform well. I have also seen new masts
broken in the surf!

-Jthan

 
 
 

Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Post by Bill Stark-Berrym » Thu, 03 May 1990 02:58:01

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>    Again, for someone just learning waterstarts, I would recommend against
>    cambered sails for two reasons:

>    1. They are an absolute *** when the luff is full of water i.e
>    HEAVY.
>    2. Although cambered sails have more power, they are difficult to
>    depower.

>    Cambered sails are virtually unsellable over here in Santa Cruz. Ocean
>    sailors seem to have decided that they are just not worth the trouble
>    when you have to cope with beach breaks, waves, etc...

>    Jim Munro

I have to disagree with you on this one Jim.  Having just taken out
a second mortgage on my house to purchase a bunch of Waddell Surf Slalom
cambered sails I can vouch for their sellability.  Actually on any given
day at Natural Bridges you will see about 30% of the sailers on Waddell
Surf Slaloms all of which sport a single camber.

I also have found that the additional power from the cambered sail can
get you through the inside where an RAF sail would leave you wallowing
in the shore-pound (probably an exageration but what's the net for? ;-) ).

As for waterstarting, the single camber system doesn't create as large
a pocket for the water to collect in and a light push on the sail will
pop the camber to the correct side of the sail.  I learned on an RAF so
I can't say how hard it would be to learn to clear the sail on a
cambered sail, but it is probably similar.

Can't wait for more GALE warnings,

Bill.

 
 
 

Advice needed - new rig to learn waterstarts

Post by Jim Munro x24 » Sun, 06 May 1990 05:32:40

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>>        Again, for someone just learning waterstarts, I would recommend against
>>        cambered sails for two reasons:

>I have to disagree with you on this one Jim.  Having just taken out
>a second mortgage on my house to purchase a bunch of Waddell Surf Slalom
>cambered sails I can vouch for their sellability.  Actually on any given
>day at Natural Bridges you will see about 30% of the sailers on Waddell
>Surf Slaloms all of which sport a single camber.

        OK OK OK, I relent. I am sure that modern cambered sails are much
        better. And I must say, I saw Doug Haut out on a nice cambered
        K-Film sail at Natural Bridges a couple of weeks ago.

        However, I went to the Santa Cruz BSA swap meet last weekend and
        it seems that everyone has a Windwing CLE Speed sail for sale
        (including me). You just can't get rid of these old cambered sails.
        They were the hottest thing going three years ago!

        For the moment though, I'm sticking with my NP wave and speed sails
        which are both RAF. They are fast, easy to control, and easy to
        waterstart. I'll thing about buying cambered slalom sails
        when I've become a much better sailor!

        Jim Munro