5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by shred.. » Wed, 16 May 2007 07:44:15


I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
something about
Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
talking about
blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
a 1 1/2
mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
guess the
perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
times to
keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
matter with me.   Then I would go
to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
is closer to
Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
interested to know what they are like?
                            Dave
 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by (PeteCresswell » Wed, 16 May 2007 08:34:36


Quote:
>My question is Which one is
>Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
>is closer to

My impression of The Gorge is that it's extremely gusty - and if
it's not blowing 5.0, it's probably a bad idea to go out unless
you really know the place.   I went out on 5.8 a few times and
got caught out there as the wind died.

Dunno from Maui, but I lived on Oahu for about nine years.  The
wind there was more consistently steady than any place I've ever
sailed.

Hatt can be nice - but it's unpredictable in the extreme.   The
lore among Hatteras goers is that you need to bring along Plan B
- surfboard, kayak, mountain bike.... something in case there's
no wind for days (or even weeks) on end.   Been skunked at Hatt
for two weeks at a time.    The worst was when it was blowing
nice 6.6 back in New Jersey where I'd come from.

If somebody put a gun to my head and said I had to say Hatt was
more like one than the other, I'd say "Maui".... but looking back
on Oahu, I'd say it would be a real stretch.... but the Gorge
would be even less like Maui.. so Hatt "wins".
--
PeteCresswell

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by Michae » Wed, 16 May 2007 10:06:10

To add to what Pete said about Hatteras...essentially that it can be
any and every different way...I'll say that most everyone feels there
is a wonderful quality to Hatteras.    For myself, a great day in
Hatteras is somehow better than a great day anywhere else, though Maui
probably offers more great days per year.

If I was a wealthy person, I would spend a lot of time in both Maui
and Hatteras every year.


Quote:

> >My question is Which one is
> >Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> >is closer to

> My impression of The Gorge is that it's extremely gusty - and if
> it's not blowing 5.0, it's probably a bad idea to go out unless
> you really know the place.   I went out on 5.8 a few times and
> got caught out there as the wind died.

> Dunno from Maui, but I lived on Oahu for about nine years.  The
> wind there was more consistently steady than any place I've ever
> sailed.

> Hatt can be nice - but it's unpredictable in the extreme.   The
> lore among Hatteras goers is that you need to bring along Plan B
> - surfboard, kayak, mountain bike.... something in case there's
> no wind for days (or even weeks) on end.   Been skunked at Hatt
> for two weeks at a time.    The worst was when it was blowing
> nice 6.6 back in New Jersey where I'd come from.

> If somebody put a gun to my head and said I had to say Hatt was
> more like one than the other, I'd say "Maui".... but looking back
> on Oahu, I'd say it would be a real stretch.... but the Gorge
> would be even less like Maui.. so Hatt "wins".
> --
> PeteCresswell


 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by David.Tr.. » Wed, 16 May 2007 10:32:45

There's a large difference between Wisconsin and Maui.  (duh, eh?) ;-)

First - fresh water v. salt water. Boards on Maui have more effective
float than here in the midwest.

Second - here you are encoumbered with heavy wetsuits, etc. while on
Maui, you sail in shorts, perhaps a rash guard and your harness.

Third - It's Maui, baby!  ;-)

South winds like we had today across the state were VERY gusty.
Depending on the water you were sailing on, the colder the water, the
higher gusts and lulls were. On Maui, the water is very warm so you
don't have the typical interferrence that we have here in the midwest
with warm air over cold water, etc.

Up in Green Bay, it was very gusty, from lulls that had you struggling
to stay up, to blasting winds in the 35+ range. Typical spring
sailing!


Quote:
> I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
> something about
> Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
> talking about
> blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
> a 1 1/2
> mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
> from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
> great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
> guess the
> perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
> times to
> keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
> matter with me.   Then I would go
> to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
> closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
> Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> is closer to
> Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
> have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> interested to know what they are like?
>                             Dave

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by wsurf » Wed, 16 May 2007 10:35:52

Dave:

Each venue is differerent and unique. I find a different state of mind
helps to enjoy each place. I suggest you go once to the others, just
to define what you like best (they are all great). I would guess Maui
would win out as your favorite, but you never know what you like until
you try other things. You tend to appreciate some things more with the
place you like best also.

I have to been fortunate to visit all three in the last two years. I
plan to re-visit them all again, for different reasons. Seasons can
infuence your choice due to your wind odds, but it is always good to
just enjoy being on vacation away from work regardless of the results.

I just got back from Hatteras, winds were a steady 20kts for at least
three of my seven days. Definitely, not "nuking" or even remarkable to
a local like Bill, but it was awesome to sail in nice comfortable
weather in a STEADY breeze. I totally understand what you are talking
about. I can sail smaller gear much more easily in certain venues
compared to home. I can try different things more easily. This is one
of the reasons we travel...

Quote:
> have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> interested to know what they are like?
>                             Dave

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by Glenn Woodel » Wed, 16 May 2007 10:42:15

If you were sailing in south winds over an inland body of water like a
small lake then you cannot compare that to anything but another small
lake with warm, gusty winds.

Once you sail in open waters, with stable winds you don't want to sail
in anything else.

The winds in the Gorge are gusty but they are not shifty. The key
there is to rig big and use enormous amounts of DH and OH. It's really
different but it will teach you how to sail overpowered and actually
enjoy it. Ever since sailing there I've used more OH on my sails and
sailed so much more in balance than ever before. If you're not sure
what to rig, just look at the others. You can't go wrong as long as
you use enough DH and make it flat.

Hatteras winds can vary dependong on direction and source. Thermal
winds like we're starting to get right now out of the SW build slowly
and steadily. They are clean winds though and you will be able to stay
in the harness and sail without hands, etc. Very unlike inland
sailing.

When the winds are frontal you are at the mercy of the front so all is
fair. But typicall the cooler winds will be fairly steady with gusts
that are easy to deal with. Gusty changes in direction will not be an
issue as with inland venues.

Again, once you sail open waters you will get so spoiled.

Glenn


Quote:
>I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
>something about
>Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
>talking about
>blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
>a 1 1/2
>mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
>from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
>great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
>guess the
>perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
>times to
>keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
>matter with me.   Then I would go
>to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
>closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
>Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
>is closer to
>Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
>have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
>interested to know what they are like?
>                            Dave

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by Bill » Wed, 16 May 2007 23:35:42


Quote:
> I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
> something about
> Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
> talking about
> blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
> a 1 1/2
> mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
> from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
> great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
> guess the
> perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
> times to
> keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
> matter with me.   Then I would go
> to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
> closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
> Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> is closer to
> Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
> have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> interested to know what they are like?
>                             Dave

Well, living in Hatteras my sail quiver includes:
5.3, 4.7, 4.2,     3.7(I only load this in the truck on special
occasions...), and one 76 liter wave stick.  Though I also have an 88
ltr that I ride on some summer days if the waves are nice, but the
wind is light (lightly powered 5.3m).

If you view OBX Beach Life and search for my calendar photo posts
[here's April: http://obxbeachlife.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html]
(usually around the first of a given month, I highlight the days I
sail, sail size, and conditions.  I also include the "Missed Its!"
All in all, its pretty consistent in Hatteras and from the local crew,
no one carries too much gear.  Except for Keith with the trailer.

All in all, its probably similar to Maui regarding wind overall;
however, for waves, Maui blows us out of the water.

Bill
http://obxbeachlife.blogspot.com/

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by Bill » Wed, 16 May 2007 23:43:13


Quote:

> > I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
> > something about
> > Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
> > talking about
> > blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
> > a 1 1/2
> > mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
> > from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
> > great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
> > guess the
> > perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
> > times to
> > keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
> > matter with me.   Then I would go
> > to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
> > closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
> > Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> > is closer to
> > Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
> > have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> > interested to know what they are like?
> >                             Dave

> Well, living in Hatteras my sail quiver includes:
> 5.3, 4.7, 4.2,     3.7(I only load this in the truck on special
> occasions...), and one 76 liter wave stick.  Though I also have an 88
> ltr that I ride on some summer days if the waves are nice, but the
> wind is light (lightly powered 5.3m).

Of note, the sail I ride most over the course of the year is the 5.3m.

Bill
http://obxbeachlife.blogspot.com

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by John » Thu, 17 May 2007 01:34:09


Quote:


> > > I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
> > > something about
> > > Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
> > > talking about
> > > blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
> > > a 1 1/2
> > > mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
> > > from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
> > > great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
> > > guess the
> > > perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
> > > times to
> > > keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
> > > matter with me.   Then I would go
> > > to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
> > > closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
> > > Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> > > is closer to
> > > Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
> > > have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> > > interested to know what they are like?
> > >                             Dave

> > Well, living in Hatteras my sail quiver includes:
> > 5.3, 4.7, 4.2,     3.7(I only load this in the truck on special
> > occasions...), and one 76 liter wave stick.  Though I also have an 88
> > ltr that I ride on some summer days if the waves are nice, but the
> > wind is light (lightly powered 5.3m).

> Of note, the sail I ride most over the course of the year is the 5.3m.

> Billhttp://SportToday.org/ Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -
>From sailing with folks from all over the US down here in FL, and

having sailed Maui and the gorge, it's interesting what the
differences in what each place does and how it effects the sailors'
outlooks.  Maui has a large landmass that rivals the mountains on
either side of the Columbia River.  Both places the wind is compressed
by these land masses.  Both places are affected by the Pacific high
pressures which dwarf continental and Atlantic wx systems.

Look at a world map.  Overlay the trades and pre*** wx patterns.
Those are some massive systems that deliver thousands of miles of,
call it whatever, wind inertia.  Pinch this giant column of moving air
around/between the HI islands, and viola, you gots some dense, steady
winds that deliver juice.  All of this is from a amateur wxman trying
to get as much sailing done in FL as humanly possible...

BTW, some bloggers and I have noticed that windsnobbery is prevalent
in places that offer high average windspeeds.  Remember your roots, if
you transplant to any of them.  Seen it all too often.  People move to
a paradise, emerse in it for a while, and end up qutting, watching TV
and developing a beer gut sometime later.  What a shame.

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by livaud.. » Thu, 17 May 2007 08:35:01

Never been to Maui, so can't compare (just dream).  I do live a few
hours away from Hatteras, in Raleigh, and can empathize about gusty
winds!  A *good* day on Lake Jordan still involves more shifts and
gusts that I've ever seen at Hatteras.  My wife's so spoiled by the
conditions at the coast that she refuses to sail the lake any more.
Can't say I blame her.

Since I'm not fortunate enough to live on Hatteras like Bill (love the
blog, btw), I take a full quiver of boards and gear -- from formula to
wave, 10.0 to 3.7.  In a week's time I'll usually use the 6.0 & 7.0 at
least as much as my 5.3 & 4.7.  For sure my 10.0 gets more use than
the 3.7.  That's what happens when you can't pick your days :-)

But yes, Hatteras has far more consistent winds, in terms of wind
strength and direction, than an inland lake.  Now predicting when
those winds will show up... that's the trick :-)

Charles L.


Quote:
> I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
> something about
> Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
> talking about
> blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
> a 1 1/2
> mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
> from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
> great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
> guess the
> perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
> times to
> keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
> matter with me.   Then I would go
> to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
> closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
> Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> is closer to
> Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
> have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> interested to know what they are like?
>                             Dave

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by sm.. » Thu, 17 May 2007 16:36:53

I'm really surprised by all these comments. I learned how to sail in
Berkeley, sailed the Gorge for 10 years, while taking trips to Maui,
Brazil, DR and Costa Rica. Now I'm in Honolulu and have sailed Kailua
the last few weeks. The only adjustment I've had to make is to learn
how the water looks when it's windy, i.e., 5.0 wind here doesn't stir
up as many whitecaps as it would at the Gorge. But once I'm out there,
wind is wind. You either got enough or you don't. Everybody would say
how gusty the Gorge is, well, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Get
a carbon boom and a skinny mast, and the gusts won't be so much
trouble.


Quote:
> Never been to Maui, so can't compare (just dream).  I do live a few
> hours away from Hatteras, in Raleigh, and can empathize about gusty
> winds!  A *good* day on Lake Jordan still involves more shifts and
> gusts that I've ever seen at Hatteras.  My wife's so spoiled by the
> conditions at the coast that she refuses to sail the lake any more.
> Can't say I blame her.

> Since I'm not fortunate enough to live on Hatteras like Bill (love the
> blog, btw), I take a full quiver of boards and gear -- from formula to
> wave, 10.0 to 3.7.  In a week's time I'll usually use the 6.0 & 7.0 at
> least as much as my 5.3 & 4.7.  For sure my 10.0 gets more use than
> the 3.7.  That's what happens when you can't pick your days :-)

> But yes, Hatteras has far more consistent winds, in terms of wind
> strength and direction, than an inland lake.  Now predicting when
> those winds will show up... that's the trick :-)

> Charles L.


> > I got out today in Madison Wis on a rare 5.0 day.  but let me tell you
> > something about
> > Madison, It is not nearly as fun as a 5.0 day on Maui and I am not
> > talking about
> > blue warm water and babes in tiny swimsuits.  On Maui on a 5.0 day on
> > a 1 1/2
> > mile ride out on  the north shore the perfect sail size might vary
> > from a 4.6 to a 5.4 so the 5.0 works
> > great. Today in Madsion on one tack of about 3/4 of a mile I would
> > guess the
> > perfect sail size varied from a 4.0 to a 7.0.   Its a real struggle at
> > times to
> > keep it under control.   Sometimes I am thinking what the heck is the
> > matter with me.   Then I would go
> > to Maui on Vacation and all was well again.  Kihei at times can be
> > closer to Madison with its gusts.    My question is Which one is
> > Hatteras like? I would guess closer to Maui but I would bet the Gorge
> > is closer to
> > Madison with all that wind rushing through past the Mountains.   I
> > have never sailed either place I always go back to Maui but am
> > interested to know what they are like?
> >                             Dave

 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by wind.s » Fri, 18 May 2007 02:41:35


Quote:
>I'm really surprised by all these comments. I learned how to sail in
>Berkeley, sailed the Gorge for 10 years, while taking trips to Maui,
>Brazil, DR and Costa Rica. Now I'm in Honolulu and have sailed Kailua
>the last few weeks. The only adjustment I've had to make is to learn
>how the water looks when it's windy, i.e., 5.0 wind here doesn't stir
>up as many whitecaps as it would at the Gorge. But once I'm out there,
>wind is wind. You either got enough or you don't. Everybody would say
>how gusty the Gorge is, well, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Get
>a carbon boom and a skinny mast, and the gusts won't be so much
>trouble.

Isn't every place you mentioned except from the Gorge on a coast?
 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by livaud.. » Fri, 18 May 2007 08:42:32


Quote:
> ... wind is wind. >

If only that were true.  If you ever have the opportunity to sail an
inland lake, I think you'll see that it isn't.
 
 
 

5.0 in Wisconsin vs 5.0 on Maui

Post by (PeteCresswell » Fri, 18 May 2007 10:39:21


Quote:
>But once I'm out there,
>wind is wind. You either got enough or you don't.

Around here (southeastern Penna), the wind at a local lake comes
over rolling hills that make it extremely turbulent/shifty.  

You stand on a stationary board bracing for the gust you see
coming, then it's "Yeeeeehaaaa!" for about 12 seconds before
you're waiting for the next gust.  

Also, there's something about the quality of the wind (the
turbulence?) that makes what looks/sounds/feels on the skin like
a 5.0 gust really be a 7.5 gust.

It's like the diff between nice clean long lines of Pacific
swells and the slop we get in New Jersey - only more so by a
factor of about 10.

But, just as I think a lot of East Coast surfers are way, way
better than anybody I surfed with during a misspent youth in
Hawaii because of the challenge of milking a decent ride out of
that slop; the best freestyle sailor I've ever seen firsthand
spends most of his time honing his technique at aforementioned
Southeastern Penna lake.
--
PeteCresswell

 
 
 

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Post by sm.. » Fri, 18 May 2007 16:51:30

Costa Rica wasn't the coast. Seattle wasn't the coast. And there was a
mountain lake in Washington that was also good sailing. That wasn't
really my point, which was that after awhile, all that analysis and
comparison can get in the way. When I have time to go sailing, I do a
cursory check of conditions, pack up and go. If it's windy when I
arrive, I look at the water, rig up what I think is right and go. It's
all just fun.


Quote:

> >I'm really surprised by all these comments. I learned how to sail in
> >Berkeley, sailed the Gorge for 10 years, while taking trips to Maui,
> >Brazil, DR and Costa Rica. Now I'm in Honolulu and have sailed Kailua
> >the last few weeks. The only adjustment I've had to make is to learn
> >how the water looks when it's windy, i.e., 5.0 wind here doesn't stir
> >up as many whitecaps as it would at the Gorge. But once I'm out there,
> >wind is wind. You either got enough or you don't. Everybody would say
> >how gusty the Gorge is, well, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Get
> >a carbon boom and a skinny mast, and the gusts won't be so much
> >trouble.

> Isn't every place you mentioned except from the Gorge on a coast?