small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by MclAl » Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:00:00


I'm looking at buying a 3.5 sail to cover the extreme low end (for me) of
my quiver.  Is there any reason not to get a wave sail, and take advantage
of the short clew?  Who out there have experience with slalom sails of
this size....what is there advantage?
 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Ken Poult » Tue, 18 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
> I'm looking at buying a 3.5 sail to cover the extreme low end (for me) of
> my quiver.  Is there any reason not to get a wave sail, and take advantage
> of the short clew?  Who out there have experience with slalom sails of
> this size....what is there advantage?

I have Windwing race sails down to 3.7.  The advantage is that they hold
their shape in the gusts so they don't get hard to hold on to.  The
disadvantage (or second advantage, depending on your goals) is that when
the wind gusts, you go just keep going faster.  Another disadvantage of
race or slalom sails is that the foot of the sail is designed to close
the gap on flattish water, and can catch in the water when maneuvering
on waves.

Most one-cam or RAF sails I've sailed have much smaller wind ranges and
were a lot of work to hold on to.  The only exception I've actually
sailed is a Hurricane RAF.  In gusts, the Hurricane felt heavy, but
didn't go faster and didn't pull away.  There must be other sails like
this, but Hurricane owners really swear by them.

Ken Poulton

"If it doesn't hurt, you weren't going fast enough."

 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Colas Nahab » Wed, 19 Apr 1995 04:00:00


writes:
|> > I'm looking at buying a 3.5 sail to cover the extreme low end (for me) of
|> > my quiver.  Is there any reason not to get a wave sail, and take advantage
|> > of the short clew?

theorically, wave sails are not designed to be fast, they are loose and
should get you on a plane soon, but their top end speed is limited.
Moreover, to be manouevreable they must have some "looseness" which may
translate into a difficulty to handle when overpowered.

If you use them for slalom only, use slalom sails. If you use it for
all-around fun may be a wave-slalom design is exactly what you need.

--


 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Patrick Powe » Wed, 19 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>I'm looking at buying a 3.5 sail to cover the extreme low end (for me) of
>my quiver.  Is there any reason not to get a wave sail, and take advantage
>of the short clew?  Who out there have experience with slalom sails of
>this size....what is there advantage?

Most people like wave sails for sub-4.0.  The advantage of slalom sails is
speed, but usually water is too rough for much speed.
 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Tim Diera » Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Personally, I would rather be on a wave sail in sub-5.0 conditions (that
is if there is any fun chop :)).  

When dropping down a wave face, one's apparent wind is way way above what
it would be if sailing flat water.  Thus, wave sails are designed to
handle large variations in wind speed.  From what I can tell from my own
quiver, wave sails handled over-powered conditions years before race
sails could.  I still have a '88 4.2 Neil Pride Wave that I cannot
justify replacing (It rigs on those heavy, but bomb proof, Ampro Grays).

If I were you, I'd get a *good* wave sail.  I personally recommend the
Windwing Black Diamond Air (a convertible) or MP, North Zeta, or Ezzy
Wave.

Cheers,
Tim Dierauf
Berkeley CA

 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Robert Rivie » Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>>I'm looking at buying a 3.5 sail to cover the extreme low end (for me) of
>>my quiver.  Is there any reason not to get a wave sail, and take advantage
>>of the short clew?  Who out there have experience with slalom sails of
>>this size....what is there advantage?

A slalom sail may be more efficient in high but very irregular winds than a
pure wave sail, because of its low end power.

Here in South France, when mistral is VERY strong, it's often VERY irregular...

Bye,

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small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Gareth Evan » Thu, 27 Apr 1995 04:00:00

As far as I can tell, when sailing in sub-5.0 conditions, even on flat
water, there is very little performance difference between a wave or
slalom sail.  The thing that makes the most difference is the amount of
chop on the water.  Slalom sails have a low cut foot, which is more
likely to catch the chop, as opposed to the wave sail's higher foot.

Generally when there is that much wind, most people would be better off
with a fully battened wave sail - they seem to be more forgiving and near
indestructable.

Gareth.

 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Platon Consulting Limit » Thu, 27 Apr 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>As far as I can tell, when sailing in sub-5.0 conditions, even on flat
>water, there is very little performance difference between a wave or
>slalom sail.  The thing that makes the most difference is the amount of
>chop on the water.  Slalom sails have a low cut foot, which is more
>likely to catch the chop, as opposed to the wave sail's higher foot.

>Generally when there is that much wind, most people would be better off
>with a fully battened wave sail - they seem to be more forgiving and near
>indestructable.

Shouldn't a real wave sail have the following characteristics?:

1) No large mast sock that fills up with water; you need to be able to
   waterstart FAST before going through the washing machine.
2) Not fully battened so that you can depower easily when bottom turning.

Maarten Veerman
-Just say no to 5.0!

 
 
 

small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Q » Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:00:00

.01 cents

I love my 5.2 and 5.7, wave sails and as an intermediate, I find them very
durable and forgiving as Gareth mentions.  They seem to be smoother in
gusts.  Hence, I sail them all the time and would reccommend them for
beginners and intermediates.

Slalom sails are better though because you can close them out at the
bottom when planning for more top end.

Quote:

> As far as I can tell, when sailing in sub-5.0 conditions, even on flat
> water, there is very little performance difference between a wave or
> slalom sail.  The thing that makes the most difference is the amount of
> chop on the water.  Slalom sails have a low cut foot, which is more
> likely to catch the chop, as opposed to the wave sail's higher foot.

> Generally when there is that much wind, most people would be better off
> with a fully battened wave sail - they seem to be more forgiving and near
> indestructable.

> Gareth.

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small slalom vs. wave sails...what's the dif?

Post by Lafing G » Sat, 06 May 1995 04:00:00

I've been using 4.0 & 4.5 slalom sails for the last year+ and have found

other WSers my size) unfortunatly you can't turn the power off. I'm buying
 wave sails this season for the better "depowering"ability.
:)