All I ever learned about WS I learned on this NG.

All I ever learned about WS I learned on this NG.

Post by Laurie Fawcet » Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:00:00


    Well, not quite. I was out sailing today in our usual gusty conditions.
As I have been almost all summer, I was using my 2000 Retro 7.5 - fully
downhauled to handle the gusts while keeping me planing in the lulls (past
those slogging on their 6.0s). I love this sail! Thanks to Roger and Ellen
for helping me make that choice and for posting detailed rigging
instructions. I was getting into the straps with my back foot first and thus
avoiding my previous catapulting problems (thanks to another recent
discussion). Whenever I had spinout, I knew how to handle it thanks to
several helpful hints on this NG. My jibes are definitely improving since I
am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now keeping my
mast hand palm up (thanks Mike).
    All in all it was a good day. And when I got home I didn't have to rinse
off the sails the way I used to! (Another good discussion.)
    Not only have I learned a tremendous amount of really useful stuff on
this NG, but as the only windsurfer in a small rural town (not on the
water), this NG serves as a support and great entertainment as well.
    So, this is a longwinded way of saying THANKS to all you contributors.
    Laurie
 
 
 

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Post by Mike » Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:35:01

NO, I DID NOT WRITE THIS!!!! 8<)

You mean somebody pays ATTENTION to all this bickering?

Mike \m/
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Quote:
>     Well, not quite. I was out sailing today in our usual gusty
conditions.
> As I have been almost all summer, I was using my 2000 Retro 7.5 - fully
> downhauled to handle the gusts while keeping me planing in the lulls (past
> those slogging on their 6.0s). I love this sail! Thanks to Roger and Ellen
> for helping me make that choice and for posting detailed rigging
> instructions. I was getting into the straps with my back foot first and
thus
> avoiding my previous catapulting problems (thanks to another recent
> discussion). Whenever I had spinout, I knew how to handle it thanks to
> several helpful hints on this NG. My jibes are definitely improving since
I
> am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now keeping
my
> mast hand palm up (thanks Mike).
>     All in all it was a good day. And when I got home I didn't have to
rinse
> off the sails the way I used to! (Another good discussion.)
>     Not only have I learned a tremendous amount of really useful stuff on
> this NG, but as the only windsurfer in a small rural town (not on the
> water), this NG serves as a support and great entertainment as well.
>     So, this is a longwinded way of saying THANKS to all you contributors.
>     Laurie


 
 
 

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Post by Tufarnor » Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Laurie
     I strongly second your opinion.  I too, live in a fairly remote place and
don't have the chance to see other windsurfers on the water.
     The tips and encouragment here have helped me turn a casual interest in
trying a new sport, into a full blown obsession! Thanks all!
                                 Cindy

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Panka » Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Yes! Thank you all! I' m also glad to hear there is more than one small rural
town with lone windsurfers. I really do appreciate this ng, here in the
hinterland. Though I never sail alone (always lots of pwc's!) Good winds.
Mike P
Quote:

>     Well, not quite. I was out sailing today in our usual gusty conditions.
> As I have been almost all summer, I was using my 2000 Retro 7.5 - fully
> downhauled to handle the gusts while keeping me planing in the lulls (past
> those slogging on their 6.0s). I love this sail! Thanks to Roger and Ellen
> for helping me make that choice and for posting detailed rigging
> instructions. I was getting into the straps with my back foot first and thus
> avoiding my previous catapulting problems (thanks to another recent
> discussion). Whenever I had spinout, I knew how to handle it thanks to
> several helpful hints on this NG. My jibes are definitely improving since I
> am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now keeping my
> mast hand palm up (thanks Mike).
>     All in all it was a good day. And when I got home I didn't have to rinse
> off the sails the way I used to! (Another good discussion.)
>     Not only have I learned a tremendous amount of really useful stuff on
> this NG, but as the only windsurfer in a small rural town (not on the
> water), this NG serves as a support and great entertainment as well.
>     So, this is a longwinded way of saying THANKS to all you contributors.
>     Laurie

 
 
 

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Post by dxtrave.. » Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:00:00

<<My jibes are definitely improving since I
 am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now
keeping my mast hand palm up (thanks Mike)>>

What does palm up has to do with jibing?

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Post by Mike » Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Everything. The problem is that some insist it should be up, others insist
it should be down.

To be homest, though, it does depend significantly on one's technique.

In the boom-to-boom jibe being increasingly recommended by some top ABK
instructors (as WS Mag claims), throwing the mast across the face is much
easier and more effective if the front palm is up.

In the older technique of boom-mast-boom jibing, palm-down facilitates
maintaining mast foot pressure.

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> <<My jibes are definitely improving since I
>  am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now
> keeping my mast hand palm up (thanks Mike)>>

> What does palm up has to do with jibing?

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Post by Endo » Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:00:00

It's easier to give the finger to Chris with your palm up.

Endo

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><<My jibes are definitely improving since I
> am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now
>keeping my mast hand palm up (thanks Mike)>>

>What does palm up has to do with jibing?

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Post by dxtrave.. » Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:49:24

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind next time I do my crash jibe :-)

 Everything. The problem is that some insist it should be up, others
insistit should be down. To be homest, though, it does depend
significantly on one's technique.

In the boom-to-boom jibe being increasingly recommended by some top ABK
instructors (as WS Mag claims), throwing the mast across the face ismuch
easier and more effective if the front palm is up.

In the older technique of boom-mast-boom jibing, palm-down facilitates
 maintaining mast foot pressure.

Quote:



> > <<My jibes are definitely improving since I
> >  am following the "Throw, Throw, Grab and Go" system and I am now
> > keeping my mast hand palm up (thanks Mike)>>

> > What does palm up has to do with jibing?

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Post by dxtrave.. » Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:51:53

-------------------------------
It's easier to give the finger to Chris with your palm up.
-----------------------------

So how would you advise Christ to hold his boom while jibing, palm
down ? :-)

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Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Everything. The problem is that some insist it should be up, others insist
> it should be down.

See how incompetent we are, can't even agree on such simple things.
Voicing different oppinions instead of doing it like a mag: in
odd-numbered years palm up, in even-numbered ones palm down, it's that
simple;-)

Quote:
> To be homest, though, it does depend significantly on one's technique.

> In the boom-to-boom jibe being increasingly recommended by some top ABK
> instructors (as WS Mag claims), throwing the mast across the face is much
> easier and more effective if the front palm is up.

Seems to be a personal thing even for boom-to-boom, maybe boom height
plays a role. I have the booms quite low, narrow booms, always change
directly from boom to boom and think i'm doing better in nailing these
ultrafast jibes when changing to palm down with the front hand
immedeately before initiating the jibe. I can do it both ways though,
seems it doesn't matter that much.
Don't forget: Here, in recdotwindsurfing, you hear oppinions, tips,
hints, suggestions which may be worth a lot and may come from lots of
experience, recent learning experience and different backgrounds. But
you actually learn on the water. Try out, compare different approaches
and then come back to tell others what worked for you and produced a
grin on your face. The later would be the ultimate goal btw., no matter
wether it was achieved by a successfull waterstart, a duck tack or just
a big wipeout.

Quote:
> In the older technique of boom-mast-boom jibing, palm-down facilitates
> maintaining mast foot pressure.



[..]
> > What does palm up has to do with jibing?

--
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Post by Mike » Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:00:00

How do you throw the boom/mast across your face with an overhand front grip?
I sailed all one summer with a broken wrist that forced me to jibe with an
overhand grip 50.000% of the time, and it was much less effective and quite
cumbersome for me. (Charlie Escher even commented here on how tentatively I
was sailing on one of my more painful days that summer.) Because I throw the
back hand away just before thowing the mast across my face, the boom's
centerline is more or less pointed into my face when the front hand reaches
my chin in its attempt to drive the mast past my ear into the turn. At that
point, with an overhand grip, the mast hits that front wrist hard, so I must
release the boom early, forcing me to make a shorter and less controlled
second throw than when my front grip is underhand. The only way I could
throw the mast across on that jibe was with a concerted quick short jerk
rather than the long, smooth, guided throw I prefer.

I'd like to do it overhand in order to apply greater mastfoot pressure, but
there's just no way my wrist is gonna bend in the several wierd angles that
dictates. Can you describe how you can do that ... what we're doing
differently ... so maybe I can incorporate more MFP into my technique?

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Quote:
> Seems to be a personal thing even for boom-to-boom, maybe boom height
> plays a role. I have the booms quite low, narrow booms, always change
> directly from boom to boom and think i'm doing better in nailing these
> ultrafast jibes when changing to palm down with the front hand
> immedeately before initiating the jibe. I can do it both ways though,
> seems it doesn't matter that much.

 
 
 

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Post by Ellen Falle » Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Everything. The problem is that some insist it should be up, others insist
> > it should be down.
> See how incompetent we are, can't even agree on such simple things.
> Voicing different oppinions instead of doing it like a mag: in
> odd-numbered years palm up, in even-numbered ones palm down, it's that
> simple;-)

ROTFL,  8-)
  THANK YOU!! This was the one piece of information I have been missing
all along. NO WONDER I was having trouble with the jibe. I've been doing
it palm up in the even-numbered years and palm down in the odd-numbered
ones. How obvious, how simple. This has changed my life.

(any chance this bit of advice will make it into Windsurfing Mag?)
 ;-)
Ellen

 
 
 

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Post by plumer.. » Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> > Everything. The problem is that some insist it should be up, others
insist
> > it should be down.

In the Peter Hart videos, he appears to always have his palm down, but
then again he doesn't bring the mast across his face when flipping the
sail.  To each his/her own I suppose... no right or wrong way - just
personal prefences.

peter

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Post by Surfpi » Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


>> > Everything. The problem is that some insist it should be up, others
>insist
>> > it should be down.
>> See how incompetent we are, can't even agree on such simple things.
>> Voicing different oppinions instead of doing it like a mag: in
>> odd-numbered years palm up, in even-numbered ones palm down, it's that
>> simple;-)

>ROTFL,  8-)
>  THANK YOU!! This was the one piece of information I have been missing
>all along. NO WONDER I was having trouble with the jibe. I've been doing
>it palm up in the even-numbered years and palm down in the odd-numbered
>ones. How obvious, how simple. This has changed my life.

>(any chance this bit of advice will make it into Windsurfing Mag?)
> ;-)
>Ellen

People People People!!!

    I can see you newsgroup experts are creating more myths. You are really
going to BUG the true experts at WS Mag if you persist in creating these
terrible myths. They will have to do an article each month to debunk the new
myths you have created because poor gullible people like myself believe
everything I read in this newsgroup.Please stop! You are filling my my with
untruths and I can't get them out;-)

   Lou P.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike » Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Hey, now THERE'S an idea! Let's REALLY jerk their chain. Just like I claim
my loss of one inner ear (one set of gyroscopes) costs me every missed jibe,
can't we claim every statement WS Mag "debunks" was posted just to see
whether they're paying attention?

Hey, WSMag...

Wide boards are too stupid-looking to plane quickly.
Blades jibe as easily as wave fins (which explains why all the pro wave
sailors use blades).
We should sheet out increasingly as we turn through a jibe (just quoting
your mag!).
Multi-finned boards are slow.
7-cammed race sails are as easy to waterstart as RAF wave sails.
All carbon booms are stiffer than all aluminum booms.
A non-planing flat sail is faster than a planing full sail.
A 5.0 will point higher and faster than a 7.0 in 12 knots.
And right there on page 37 of your Dec issue, you come right out and say
that not closing the gap will slow us down. WHICH IS IT THIS MONTH, guys?

Mike \m/
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Lou wrote > People People People!!!

Quote:

>     I can see you newsgroup experts are creating more myths. You are
really
> going to BUG the true experts at WS Mag if you persist in creating these
> terrible myths. They will have to do an article each month to debunk the
new
> myths you have created because poor gullible people like myself believe
> everything I read in this newsgroup.Please stop! You are filling my my
with
> untruths and I can't get them out;-)