Wave or Slalom sail?

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by P&S& » Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Yesterday I finally wrecked my 6m old North infinity sail, in the
shorebreak when I was grovelling back to the beach after the wind
suddenly stopped. Everyone else had already returned to shore but what
the hell, it was one of the last of our warm days before fall and I
wanted to have one last run. Reality denial had set in! The wind hadn't
stopped for the day, I reasoned, it was just taking a commercial break
and would blow again as soon as it sensed my presence. I was grinning
when I got to the sand. At last I HAD to replace the 6m. The duct tape
days were over for a while.

Now I seek the input of your collective wisdom. Should I buy another 6m
slalom type sail (North Sting?) or a wave sail eg North Rave 5.7. Any
others? My next smallest sail is 5m, the next largest is 6.8. I weigh
65kg and have 2 boards, a Tiga 259 and a Mistral Screamer 278. I don't
race. I sail mostly on harbour water but if there are waves I would
rather be out in them. I want a sail that I can use on both boards. What
would it be like riding the Screamer with a wave sail? Would it be a big
difference?

Regards, Philip, Auckland, New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by NLW TFW » Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:00:00

How about a single-cam B&J sail? More foot than a wave sail, but still high
enough to clear small waves. More stability and wind range than a wave sail,
yet not as cumbersome on the Tiga as a 2- or 3-cam slalom sail.

Mike \m/
Never Leave Wind To Find Wind

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by sailquik (Roger Jacks » Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:00:00

<Big Snip>

Quote:
>Now I seek the input of your collective wisdom. Should I buy another 6m
>slalom type sail (North Sting?) or a wave sail eg North Rave 5.7. Any
>others?

How about a 5.7 Rave or Convertigo! Both work well in the waves
and both will power your 278 on flat water just fine.
Another sial you might want to look at, but I'd think it might not be
rcommemded for waves would be the Sailworks Retro 6.0.
If you managed to keep an Infinity alive, I'd think the Retro
might be ok in the kind of waves you are doing..
The Retro will really enhance your fla***er sailing.
 I want a sail that I can use on both boards.
Any of the 3 above can be used on either board, but why you'd want a
5.7-6.0 sail on your 259 Tiga is beyond me. 65 Kg is not that big.
Quote:
> What would it be like riding the Screamer with a wave sail?

Just like ssailing the Screamer with whatever 6.8 you have as long as it's
not a full on race sail. If it is, then expect a little less top end speed,
and a little less pointing ability, but other than that, you will find the
wave sail to be very sweet on the Screamer. You might want to get a smaller
looder fin and go B&J on the Screamer
Would it be a big difference?
There's a few small differences, but several of them are positive
differences. Only negatives I know are mentioned above if you are comparing

it to a race sail. The bottom end might also be diminished if you have a
really drafty 6.8.
I'd sure try the Retro, especially if you were thinking of a Sting!
later
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 3704 |Ph#in MD 301-872-9459
F2/North Sails/ True Ames/Rainbow|Ph#in NC 919-995-3204
US Sail Lvl 1 WS Instructor

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by Bret » Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:00:00

The new Hot Sails Maui Fusion sounds about right.  It is faster and has
more wind range than a pure wave sail, but is more handling oriented
than a pure race sail.  It is a small sleeve raf - good for
surf, but it is cut for performance and designed to be powered up, unlike
most "wave slalom" sails, which are cheap and aimed at low
intermediates.  The construction is strong enough for waves.
There is a 5.5, 5.8 and a 6.0 - the 5.8 would fit well between the sails
you have now.  I don't know who handles Hot where you are, but check
http://hotsailsmaui.com

Warm winds,

Brett


Quote:
> Yesterday I finally wrecked my 6m old North infinity sail, in the
> shorebreak when I was grovelling back to the beach after the wind
> suddenly stopped...

>  Should I buy another 6m slalom type sail or a wave sail?  My next
>smallest sail is 5m, the next largest is 6.8. I weigh
> 65kg and have 2 boards, a Tiga 259 and a Mistral Screamer 278. I don't
> race. I sail mostly on harbour water but if there are waves I would
> rather be out in them. I want a sail that I can use on both boards.

> Regards, Philip, Auckland, New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by jus.. » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00

If you were happy with your north infinity, then why not go for a
similar type sail again. it would be something like a north rave or a np
mpr. basically, any 1 cam b&j sail would be the sail.

Quote:

> Yesterday I finally wrecked my 6m old North infinity sail, in the
> shorebreak when I was grovelling back to the beach after the wind
> suddenly stopped. Everyone else had already returned to shore but what
> the hell, it was one of the last of our warm days before fall and I
> wanted to have one last run. Reality denial had set in! The wind hadn't
> stopped for the day, I reasoned, it was just taking a commercial break
> and would blow again as soon as it sensed my presence. I was grinning
> when I got to the sand. At last I HAD to replace the 6m. The duct tape
> days were over for a while.

> Now I seek the input of your collective wisdom. Should I buy another 6m
> slalom type sail (North Sting?) or a wave sail eg North Rave 5.7. Any
> others? My next smallest sail is 5m, the next largest is 6.8. I weigh
> 65kg and have 2 boards, a Tiga 259 and a Mistral Screamer 278. I don't
> race. I sail mostly on harbour water but if there are waves I would
> rather be out in them. I want a sail that I can use on both boards. What
> would it be like riding the Screamer with a wave sail? Would it be a big
> difference?

> Regards, Philip, Auckland, New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by Brian Mckenz » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00

From the type of saliing you sound like you doing, you have lots of
choices. Check out the Windwing Interface Air 5.8, 6.1 (single
removavle cam) or if yo need durability look at the Interface Wave,
also see the Synthesis. From Sailworks check out the SR-4 5.8 which
leans more towards the wave and b&j area, or as Roger suggested the
Retro, since the waves are likely to small in that range (not unless
your lucky and have great waves!). I'm currently using the '97 Revo II
in a 5.9. Brett suggested the Hot Fusion which I've heard very good
things about. Naish has the Nalu and Koa's in the size you looking
also. Pryde MPR or NR. North Rave....the list goes on..Gaastra,
Ezzy...and so many choices! I think all of these sails would
compliment your Screamer 278. The best thing is to list the pros &
cons of each and sort it out by the features your looking.

Brian
------------------------
Brian Mckenzie
http://jollyroger.com/windsurf/
Triangle Boardsailing Club, Raleigh, NC

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00

[wrecked 6.0 Infinity in shore break]

Quote:

> Now I seek the input of your collective wisdom. Should I buy another 6m
> slalom type sail (North Sting?) or a wave sail eg North Rave 5.7. Any
> others? My next smallest sail is 5m, the next largest is 6.8. I weigh
> 65kg and have 2 boards, a Tiga 259 and a Mistral Screamer 278. I don't
> race. I sail mostly on harbour water but if there are waves I would
> rather be out in them. I want a sail that I can use on both boards. What
> would it be like riding the Screamer with a wave sail? Would it be a big
> difference?

Riding the screamer with a full wave sail (like a Zeta) would feel like
driving a car with parking brake on. Otoh, with a slightly fuller, more
powerful sail you should be ok. Otoh, a slalom sail would feel pretty
funny
on the Tiga and probabely not withstand much shorebreak either.
So 'd get a more manouver oriented sail, maybe the Convertigo if it has
to be North ( i use a 5.7 Convertigo between a 5.0 Zeta and 6.5 Spectro
in
the moment, i'm about your weight and the 5.7 also get's used both
in surf and on the lake). If it's too much wind for the 6.8 it's
imho already pretty windy and thus the typical pro of a slalom sail,
early planning, aren't needed that much anymore.

WOlfgang

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Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by 2 Rad Inc. c/o Bruno Robid » Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I would try to stay away from full on wave sails at that size. Good wave
riders know that the best sizes in wave sails are between 5.3 and 4.7.
Anything bigger than 5.3 isn't so hot, kinda feels unbalanced, and bellow 4.7,
a radical wave sail works better overpowered, so the real wave sailors say.
For sizes above 5.3, it is more recomended to get a freeride oriented sail.
Freeride sails can be slalom or wave oriented. Such as the sting and the
Convertigo, in respective order. From there its up to you to know what you
plan on doing with your equipment, and make the choice in between.
Bruno
2 Rad

Quote:

> If you were happy with your north infinity, then why not go for a
> similar type sail again. it would be something like a north rave or a np
> mpr. basically, any 1 cam b&j sail would be the sail.


> > Yesterday I finally wrecked my 6m old North infinity sail, in the
> > shorebreak when I was grovelling back to the beach after the wind
> > suddenly stopped. Everyone else had already returned to shore but what
> > the hell, it was one of the last of our warm days before fall and I
> > wanted to have one last run. Reality denial had set in! The wind hadn't
> > stopped for the day, I reasoned, it was just taking a commercial break
> > and would blow again as soon as it sensed my presence. I was grinning
> > when I got to the sand. At last I HAD to replace the 6m. The duct tape
> > days were over for a while.

> > Now I seek the input of your collective wisdom. Should I buy another 6m
> > slalom type sail (North Sting?) or a wave sail eg North Rave 5.7. Any
> > others? My next smallest sail is 5m, the next largest is 6.8. I weigh
> > 65kg and have 2 boards, a Tiga 259 and a Mistral Screamer 278. I don't
> > race. I sail mostly on harbour water but if there are waves I would
> > rather be out in them. I want a sail that I can use on both boards. What
> > would it be like riding the Screamer with a wave sail? Would it be a big
> > difference?

> > Regards, Philip, Auckland, New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere

 
 
 

Wave or Slalom sail?

Post by Nick Ki » Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Now I seek the input of your collective wisdom. Should I buy another 6m
>slalom type sail (North Sting?) or a wave sail eg North Rave 5.7. Any
>others? My next smallest sail is 5m, the next largest is 6.8. I weigh
>65kg and have 2 boards, a Tiga 259 and a Mistral Screamer 278. I don't
>race. I sail mostly on harbour water but if there are waves I would
>rather be out in them. I want a sail that I can use on both boards. What
>would it be like riding the Screamer with a wave sail? Would it be a big
>difference?

>Regards, Philip, Auckland, New Zealand, Southern Hemisphere

I wouldn't buy wave sails over about 4.5 meter if your sailing in
harbour and river conditions (weight dependant). I have a six meter
wave sail and I hate it in the river, but love it in the ocean.

Generally speaking if you are on a six meter the water should usually
be flat or have small waves. Great conditions for a race sail. A wave
sail is cut with the clew end higher and the foot higher. The idea
being to avoid catching your sail on the water which is usually a wave
top or side that is next to your board.