F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by Tapio Hinkkane » Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Hi,

I'm looking for a freeride board for light sailor ( my weight is <65kg)
to fit lake conditions and for sails between 5.2 -7.4, so between
blasting and cruising and for some tricks on flat and in a choppy lake.
Also this board should take a place of my good old slalom F2 Sputnic -96
103l and hopely get planing much earlier.

I have four options F2 Ride 277, 277 and AHD Free Diamond 65, Maxx ride
62.

The volume of F2 Ride 279 (116l) and AHD FD 65 (115l) would be good for
taking me over lulls on the lake, and they carry easily 7.5 for my
weight, but then the windier days of 5.0 keeps me thinking, if those
boards can be used for my weight in that wind and also in choppy
conditions. Those days are very unusual and I do not want to buy a board
to use only few times a year, but I do not want to stand on the shore
either when it blows.

Then F2 Ride 277 (102l) and AHD Maxx ride 62 (104l) are giving more for
windier days, but what about when I want to go out with 7.4 two camber
sail. I have read that for lighter surfer the AHD MR 62 can carry about
7.2 sail.

I'm not sure if, AHD MR 62 is a little too freestyle/wave type for me
when a want to ride some straight lines, but then I also would like make
and learn more tricks than basic jibes and there it seems to be on its
own element.

Summer and wind(?) coming,
Tapio

 
 
 

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by Jean-Charles van Zuyle » Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Tapio,

I have a Ride 277 and I love it. It's easy to sail and I've heard it's very
fast (I'm not a speed monger). It feels light underfoot and gybes nicely.

BUT... in chop it's not comfortable at all.

And mostly, forget going out in light winds. You need at least 12 knots (I
weigh 65 also) and putting huge sails on it doesn't really do it. I like
light wind sailing a lot and I'm thinking about getting an AHD 65 or even
70.

Therefore, I would buy the AHD FD 65 or a RIDE 279 based on what you say
your needs are. Both are as good as the 277 in high winds and you'll be
happy with a little more volume. They make them so well now that you have
the extra volume but don't feel it when you don't need it.

I've read a lot on the subject... but I haven't tried them.

My point: I love my Ride 277 but I wish I had 15-20 extra litres.

Jean-Charles


Quote:
> Hi,

> I'm looking for a freeride board for light sailor ( my weight is <65kg)
> to fit lake conditions and for sails between 5.2 -7.4, so between
> blasting and cruising and for some tricks on flat and in a choppy lake.
> Also this board should take a place of my good old slalom F2 Sputnic -96
> 103l and hopely get planing much earlier.

> I have four options F2 Ride 277, 277 and AHD Free Diamond 65, Maxx ride
> 62.

> The volume of F2 Ride 279 (116l) and AHD FD 65 (115l) would be good for
> taking me over lulls on the lake, and they carry easily 7.5 for my
> weight, but then the windier days of 5.0 keeps me thinking, if those
> boards can be used for my weight in that wind and also in choppy
> conditions. Those days are very unusual and I do not want to buy a board
> to use only few times a year, but I do not want to stand on the shore
> either when it blows.

> Then F2 Ride 277 (102l) and AHD Maxx ride 62 (104l) are giving more for
> windier days, but what about when I want to go out with 7.4 two camber
> sail. I have read that for lighter surfer the AHD MR 62 can carry about
> 7.2 sail.

> I'm not sure if, AHD MR 62 is a little too freestyle/wave type for me
> when a want to ride some straight lines, but then I also would like make
> and learn more tricks than basic jibes and there it seems to be on its
> own element.

> Summer and wind(?) coming,
> Tapio


 
 
 

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by Elliot Froidevau » Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi,

> I'm looking for a freeride board for light sailor ( my weight is <65kg)
> to fit lake conditions and for sails between 5.2 -7.4, so between
> blasting and cruising and for some tricks on flat and in a choppy lake.
> Also this board should take a place of my good old slalom F2 Sputnic -96
> 103l and hopely get planing much earlier.

> I have four options F2 Ride 277, 277 and AHD Free Diamond 65, Maxx ride
> 62.

> The volume of F2 Ride 279 (116l) and AHD FD 65 (115l) would be good for
> taking me over lulls on the lake, and they carry easily 7.5 for my
> weight, but then the windier days of 5.0 keeps me thinking, if those
> boards can be used for my weight in that wind and also in choppy
> conditions. Those days are very unusual and I do not want to buy a board
> to use only few times a year, but I do not want to stand on the shore
> either when it blows.

> Then F2 Ride 277 (102l) and AHD Maxx ride 62 (104l) are giving more for
> windier days, but what about when I want to go out with 7.4 two camber
> sail. I have read that for lighter surfer the AHD MR 62 can carry about
> 7.2 sail.

> I'm not sure if, AHD MR 62 is a little too freestyle/wave type for me
> when a want to ride some straight lines, but then I also would like make
> and learn more tricks than basic jibes and there it seems to be on its
> own element.

> Summer and wind(?) coming,
> Tapio

I tried the F2 Ride 279 in Baja for a couple of hours. First, the wind
was blowing 12-15 knots, and eventhough I am not the lightest of guys
(200 pounds), I noticed that getting on the plane was not the easiest of
tasks (6.7m2 supersonic NP). Swell always helps. It tends to stick to
the water even for a 116liter board. However, the wind then picked up to
20-25 knots, with swell of 1.5 to 2.0m, and choppy conditions. Using the
same sail, I had a wonderful time. The more wind the merrier. The board
just flies over chop and does not lose grip in the jibes. It is a rigid
board, which I like, but that depends on the sailor.

I just bought the Free Diamond 65 (on the airplane from Switzerland at
this very moment). The reason I bought it is that where I live, the
conditions are gusty and upwind is very necessary. With 115liters, and
with its width, it feels more like a 125 liter board. The rails are
tucked in for great carving, the concave is very well pronounced, the
fin box area is finner than most other boards (better in overpowered
conditions), plus the fact that there is a certain patriotism that led
me to purchase.
The feedback from the various mags is very much the same. A great board
to have. Wind mag calls it "The Swiss Pearl". Coming from Frenchmen,
that is a compliment to be taken very seriously.

Overall, after studying carefully these two boards, I would have to give
a slight edge to the AHD free diamond, mostly to do with early planing.

As for the maxx ride 62, the sail size recommended is 5.0 to 7.0m2. The
best sail size is 6.0m2. Slapping on a 7.2m2 sail may not be the best
alternative. Plus the fact that the board is very short (250cm). You may
nose dip quite often in lighter conditions, especially if your mast is
all at the front for your bigger sail.
I bought the King style AHD last year (99 liters - 264cm), intending to
slap on a 6.9m2 no-cams for lighter days, but, I was disappointed with
the outcome.

One word of advice: it is better to have a bigger board on a smaller
sail than the other way around. Planing is quicker, and you can continue
planing longer in between gusts.

Plus the fact that, the F2 ride 279 (from experience..AHD will come
later) has a very good grip even in rough conditions.

Hope this helps!

Elliot

 
 
 

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by sailquik (Roger Jacks » Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Jean-Charles:

Quote:
>I have a Ride 277 and I love it. It's easy to sail and I've heard it's very
>fast (I'm not a speed monger). It feels light underfoot and gybes nicely.

All very true, whether you use the 277 in slalom or B&J mode.
(The slalom mode it with the front footstraps outboard and back, and the
double rear footstrap configuration) (B&J mode is with the front footstraps
inboard and a little more forward, and a single rear footstrap).
The 277 Ride is almost two completely different boards if you move the
footstraps, and put in a small B&J type fin. I used a 10-11" Rainbow Fin
Co. Rhino in B&J mode and it loosened the board up really nicely.

Quote:
>BUT... in chop it's not comfortable at all.

Move your mast foot to about 3/4" to 1" from the rear of the mast slot
to get the 277 to plane up on the flat behind the rocker transition.
The 277 has quite a bit of rocker, and a fairly short planing flat, so if
you sail it with the mast foot too far forward it will rattle your teeth out in
chop. Get the MFP back where the board "skips over" the chop, and
you will find the 277 has an amazingly smooth ride. If it really gets bumpy,
try it with the B&J footstrap configuration, the MFP should still be pretty
much in the same place, but the board is less sensitive to MFP in this
configuration.
Quote:

>And mostly, forget going out in light winds. You need at least 12 knots (I
>weigh 65 also) and putting huge sails on it doesn't really do it. I like
>light wind sailing a lot and I'm thinking about getting an AHD 65 or even
>70.

Yes, I've been reading all of these posts recommending the 277 Ride as a lite
wind board. Ae these people nuts, or just hoping to get the board to do
something it was never intended to do. The 277 is not very wide 57.5 cm, and is
only 103 liters. It works best with <7.0 m2 sails (5.5-6.5 m2 is optimum).
ait can be very fast (in slalom mode) or very loose (in B&J mode) but it has
neither the width or the volume to be anything near a "lite air" design.
Works best in 14-25 knots. Yep, definitely not a lite air board.

Another board to add to you selection list is the Starboard Carve 140.
It has the volume and width to really go well in 12 knots with a 7.5, but
is still very comfortable and very fast in 22-25 with a 6.0.
later. Roger
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
Sailworks/Starboard/F2/MPB/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine

 
 
 

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by Gerard Elkin » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for that advice Roger.
I tried that today, moving the MFP right to the back of the slot with a 5m
NP MPR in moderately choppy conditions and slight swell.
The ride was very smooth. Previously I would have used a smaller board under
these conditions, but the wind was a bit variable, and the bigger board got
me on the plane much more easily.

Quote:
>Move your mast foot to about 3/4" to 1" from the rear of the mast slot
>to get the 277 to plane up on the flat behind the rocker transition.

I also agree about it not being a light wind board. I have, in the past,
spent frustrating sessions trying to get the 177 to plane on fresh water
when the wind was about 10-12 knots, finally buying an F2 295 Xantos2. This
worked much better.
Quote:
>Works best in 14-25 knots. Yep, definitely not a lite air board.

 
 
 

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by sailqui » Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Gerard:
Quote:

> Thanks for that advice Roger.

It was my pleasure, sir.

Quote:
> I tried that today, moving the MFP right to the back of the slot with a 5m
> NP MPR in moderately choppy conditions and slight swell.
> The ride was very smooth. Previously I would have used a smaller board under
> these conditions, but the wind was a bit variable, and the bigger board got
> me on the plane much more easily.

Glad it worked for you. The 277 is a really versatile board, but like
all boards,
it needs to be tuned for the rig and the conditions. I urge you to try
different
settings, all the time. A change of fins, footstrap configuration, rig
size
and the anticipated conditions can combine to change the balance of
things to
the extent that what worked terrifically yesterday doesn't work well at
all
today. Learn to change one thing at a time, in small increments. If it
feels
better try a little more in the same direction. If that feels even
better,
do it some more until you reach a point where it either doesn't feel any
better
or it doesn't feel as good. Then back up to where you think it worked
the best,
and try adjusting something else.
I see alot of sailors who put their mast foot in one spot all the time.
I'm
always puzzled by this as if the conditions change, or you change rigs,
there
has to be some difference in the balance between the board. rig, and
fin.
Making some small adjustments can mean the difference between sailing
fast,
effortlessly, with complete control, or being bounced around,
tailwalking,
and never clearly in control. A simple downhaul or outhaul adjustment
can
easily make this kind of difference, so imagine the difference if you
change
fins, or move the footstraps.
Hope this is helpful,
                Roger
Quote:


> >Move your mast foot to about 3/4" to 1" from the rear of the mast slot
> >to get the 277 to plane up on the flat behind the rocker transition.

> I also agree about it not being a light wind board. I have, in the past,
> spent frustrating sessions trying to get the 177 to plane on fresh water
> when the wind was about 10-12 knots, finally buying an F2 295 Xantos2. This
> worked much better.
> >Works best in 14-25 knots. Yep, definitely not a lite air board.

 
 
 

F2 ride 277/279 vs AHD Free diamond 65/Maxx ride 62

Post by JB » Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I would go with the Free Diamond 65 AHD.  It is made for plaining early
(wide) but still having fun when the wind is up (thin with soft rails)
It sounds like what you are looking for.  The new AHD construction is
also really nice.

I have the 65 and I LOVE it.  I have only used it with a 6.5 in very
powered conditions, but I am sure you could put up to an 8m on it.  In
windy choppy conditions it is great.  I plains early like a race board
but does not get out of control on a reach and it turns really well.
Its an EGO BOOSTER.  It makes you look good.

If your in California and want to demo one, let me know.

JB

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